Ok, lets start with a woo! my self-imposed 24 hour ban for posting too long a message has ended ^^
Time to see whats happened in my absence...
Paraphrased Neimenljivi wrote:you stalked her, decoded IPs and made RL threats to Teyla.
Seriously... what the fudgemonkey? If thats true, its a crazy new low, even for this forum.
Robert go away and bother other people.
Neimenljivi wrote:S1eepy - please stop spamming the topic. All I see from you is:
a) Hippy isn't a cheater because he isn't banned (and here I was thinking that every cheater was autobanned as soon as they created their very first account)
b) Everyone should stop fighting for a fair and clean game
c) Everything that doesn't suit your arguments is branded as "something that's just tagged in to give more legitimacy" or completely ignored.
a) Once again (51st time?), I have not defended Hippy, I have not said "he is not a cheater". I have said YOU are going about this the wrong way.
Trying to belittle and browbeat the people with power (admins) into accepting your point of view is not only wrong, its terrible tactics.
Considering this is fundamentally a strategy game, you have lacked tact and strategy when it comes to this. I'll explain in a bit, dont want to repeat myself ^^
b)I commend fighting for a fair game, its something we should all work together to achieve. It is something we should expect as a base to play the game around. The motivation behind your actions are good. But YOUR actions are wrong, and will fail to make any positive impact on the game.
If I wanted to save a cat from a tree, I would not burn down the tree to get to it. Because it would not get me what I wanted (and it would be stupid).
c)My argument is simple. YOU ARE GOING ABOUT THINGS THE WRONG WAY.
Your motivation is good, I don't question that. Wanting a fair game, is good.
But (notice its a big "but"), You are being egotistical and arrogant while you do it. You can't accept anyone else's opinions, so it's like the only thing you care about is forcing everyone who has disagreed with you, to stand up and say;
Neimenljivi's dream wrote:I was SOOO wrong, and you were right! OMG neim, your so smart, how on earth could we have ever doubted that you were right the the first place, look how silly we all look.
You might be correct about Hippy. You might be correct about other people on the server cheating.
But you are wrong to threaten people who have nothing to do with the cheating.
You are wrong to attempt to belittle Haz by saying he was swayed by personal bias.
You are wrong to accuse Caprilla of modding this topic incorrectly.
You are arguing your point the wrong way.
and most importantly, you are wrong to combine two completely unrelated topics. (overpowered USS's and discussion on cheating)
Now, I know your itching to hit that reply button and to repost that your haven't threatened anyone, and your boycott is in relation to USSs being overpowered not cheating... But lets look at your posts shall we?
Clear and obvious threats.
JFU wrote:Haz you have another 24h to make the decision and post it publicly.
I hope you choose wisely.
Threat wrote:if he doesn't reply in the next 24h and doesn't do the right thing, every honest player in Q will know where they stand and we shall act accordingly
Threat wrote:Anyone buying any USSs, FSSs - heck even the infusion bonus - will get massed. Period.
Threat wrote:Failure to do so or breaking your word will result in you being massed.
These are Ultimatums and threats.
I only went back over the last few pages to grab quotes, I thought these were enough to illustrate the point.
This quote I found priceless;
Neimenljivi wrote:I didn't threaten him, nor anyone else. I explained what we'll do.
So, If I said I was going to kick you in the nuts tomorrow at school because you wont give me your lunch money, thats not a threat. Its just me explaining what I'll do?
That would be a threat - just like all of yours are.
Boycott
You claim;
Neimenljivi wrote:I know I said 24h a couple days ago in the other thread, but given the server outage we opted to wait longer so Haz could devote his time fixing the mess the server outage caused.. We feel we've waited long enough. No response was given.
So, here's what's going to happen. We would like everyone to boycott the supporter function in order to make admins understand just how strong our desire for a clean and balanced game is. Anyone buying any USSs, FSSs - heck even the infusion bonus - will get massed. Period. Perhaps when the money stops flowing the admins will notice our request for a server clean of cheaters and for a server where players who don't spend any $ can compete on an equal footing with those who do.
Those that have already bought an USS in this era (you and we all know who you are) - please post here and show your support to make the game a better place for everyone. Say you won't buy anything else until the issues are solved. Failure to do so or breaking your word will result in you being massed.
I hope the community can step together once more and boycott the ingame "support" options. The game is very unbalanced - we all know that. We also all agree that cheaters should be banned.
Please also realize that it is nothing personal if we mass you due to buying an USS or something. We just know that the only way this could work is if all of us stepped together, but we also realize some just might not want to hand over the advantage their RL wallet brings into the game. However, there's no other way. We have no desire to go on a massing spree, but we won't hesitate to go either. Note - some people have already been massed, for various reasons.
We will also continue massing cheaters and their helpers.
~Jack
You say in your message, that this is based off the message you posted in "the other thread". That thread was about admin dealing with cheaters. Therefor your Ultimatum, and this boycott, is in relation to the same subject.
In this post, the one where you call people yo join your boycott, you make no mention of overpowered supported bonuses are the reason for it. You mention the game being "unbalanced", but call for the supporter functions to be boycotted to gain the admins attention - not because it is overpowered.
It is only in a later post that you say;
Neimenljivi wrote:This is not just Hippy not being banned, it was about other cheaters weren't banned since the new admins came either, you haven't played a couple eras before the new admins took over, but $ actually had such a small influence on the game that it really was just a way to support the game and not the way to win the game. Bar last era, ever since the new admins took over, $$ suddenly mean a huge advantage again. We don't want this.
Those who keep buying USSs will be massed because they gain a huge advantage over everyone else by buying USSs, something - I am sure you agree with me - that isn't good. They're free to do whatever they want. We will remove their advantage, that is all.
Now you are saying that people who buy USSs will be massed because of the advantage it gives them. Whereas before you were threatening to mass them because they weren't taking part in the boycott. This is why I saw it as a tagged in point. You need to make up your mind. Stick to one motivation, or the message you are trying to convey will be lost.
This brings me to the most important point. (and OMG I cant believe its taken this long to get here, I've missed some of the footy for crying out loud!)
Overpowered USSs are a completely and utterly separate discussion to this. This boycott, (by your own post!) is related to admins not responding to the call to ban Hippy.
Your strategy dealing with cheaters started well (logic and evidence to support your claims), but quickly descended into you trying to browbeat the admins because they didn't do what you wanted. Eventually you realised you had
no power over the admins and count not force them to do what you wanted.
So you decided to try to turn the tables on them. By taking away from them the $$ they so desperately (I'd imagine) desire. If you gathered enough support to make a difference to their wallets, you would have
given yourself power... That was a clever decision, moving from a position of
weakness to a position of
strength is good tactics, but.. you have
undermined yourself while doing it.
You have used threats and intimidation (rather than charm, reason and logic) to win enough the support you need. So now, even if you have the support of the server, admins will see that you (and your threats) are holding everyone together. Not a joint belief. (Like I said in a previous post - instead of making it clear they need to address a core problem, you become the problem in their eyes).
Your annoyed with me because I am arguing against you, but I hope from this RIDICULOUSLY long post, I have made it clear WHY I am arguing against you. It is not your motivation, it is your tactics.
I believe that USSs are too strong, and would like to make sure they are curtailed for future Eras. But that WILL NOT HAPPEN if you try to turn this argument about admins decision on cheaters into a discussion on USSs.
I have done what I could to reduce the effectiveness of USSs this era (which was met with ridicule and scorn). But more needs to be done for future eras. We could work together to try to achieve that (using methods that might actually work), or you can try and turn this threat-enforced boycott into your own personal crusade to try and get everything done in one go, and end up getting nothing done at all.
Please. Make a new topic about USSs, and USSs ONLY. That has nothing to do with this boycott. and we can try and get something done, working from a clean slate.
Thats enough of this for me, taking a day off cleared my mind and made me feel much better. I think I'll do it again. So you have at least another 24 hours without me ^^
After this monster of a post I guess I cant complain about Jacks long posts anymore ^^ I can only apologise xD