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Re: Homosexual Marraige
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:40 pm
by fireball37
Mister Sandman wrote:Then there must be some sort of "trigger" a mental trigger ...Noone has to be gay.
And how would you know? I can't see any sort of a trigger, I was never sexually abused as a child, I didn't have an absent father or an overbearing mother or any of those things. You feel there must be some trigger but that is an opinion, not scientific fact. I have never felt an attraction for a woman, not as far back as I can remember.
Mister Sandman wrote:One can change their instincts. People can change their instincts. Nothing is impossible.
Really? What if I can't? And that's what all the evidence seems to point to, if you read about people who try to change there sexuality, nine times out of ten they become deeply unhappy people unable to emotionally connect... and that's not counting the people they hurt along the way, I'm not going to risk the mental wellbeing of myself and others on the basis of your unsupported, unscientific
theory!
Re: Homosexual Marraige
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:02 am
by Demeisen
a quick question:
if straight people joined a gay pride march and started acting as it was for them, would the gays be annoyed?
my guess:
yes. its a phrase they have as their own and it is intended to support gay pride only. it would be out of order if straight people came and took over their phrase when they clearly wouldnt want them to.
marriage is for straight people only. if they want somthing similar to marriage thats fine by me. but hijacking a word that isnt theirs is not cool.
Re: Homosexual Marraige
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:54 am
by [KMA]Avenger
Thriller wrote:[KMA]Avenger wrote:the thought of getting into bed with someone either as hairy as me or built like a man (and i've seen some woman who are built like men
) is well....
amp;
@fireball...dude, saying women are physically not equal to men is laughable. i've met some women who are total animals in the bed and the very thought of them being treated like flowers is completely off putting for them.
i know your saying thats the impression you get when you see them but let me tell you something...there are women out there who might look petite but are more aggressive and robust in the bed than men!
and just for the record, i would NEVER accept anyone in my family telling me they were gay, chances are in my family they would never even get the chance to tell me, i would have to fight off the rest of the family just to get a boot in!!!
you should try a Klingon woman...damn, i'd love to give 1 of them a going over
just kidding, trying to lighten the mood
If i ever caught a person or group of people beating a person senseless just because they were gay. I would not hesitate to cripple the lot for life.
what business would it be of yours if i decide to beat senseless my brother or son or any family member because they are gay?
thriller, as i have stated many times, i have a great disdain and hatred for gay people, sending a PM of my personal experience with 2 very sick gay men.
yes, these "men" were VERY sick, i am not saying all gay people are this sick but when your a kid and you eat a rotten apple, chances are you will never try an apple again, no matter how sweet and juicy they look.
for me and 2 others, these 2 SICK men have FOREVER tainted the image of a gay man and even the threat of jail and a beating means nothing, it is impossible for you to judge why i have such hatred unless you go threw what i went threw.
LiQuiD wrote:a quick question:
if straight people joined a gay pride march and started acting as it was for them, would the gays be annoyed?
my guess:
yes. its a phrase they have as their own and it is intended to support gay pride only. it would be out of order if straight people came and took over their phrase when they clearly wouldnt want them to.
marriage is for straight people only. if they want somthing similar to marriage thats fine by me. but hijacking a word that isnt theirs is not cool.
i've more or less said the same thing, except you said it better.
Re: Homosexual Marraige
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:05 am
by Demeisen
[KMA]Avenger wrote:i've more or less said the same thing, except you said it better.
thanks man
*sheds a tear while saluting the ugandan flag*
Re: Homosexual Marraige
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:10 am
by Sholva
thriller, as i have stated many times, i have a great disdain and hatred for gay people, sending a PM of my personal experience with 2 very sick gay men.
well thats an extremlley norrow view on it i personally have great disdain for people who hate gays!
Re: Homosexual Marraige
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:20 am
by [KMA]Avenger
god sholva wrote:thriller, as i have stated many times, i have a great disdain and hatred for gay people, sending a PM of my personal experience with 2 very sick gay men.
well thats an extremlley norrow view on it i personally have great disdain for people who hate gays!
sigh!
you know nothing of what me and 2 others went threw, so don't try and judge me or what i say.
now if you had asked nicely (like everyone else who wanted to know my reasons) i would have explained it in a PM, but seeing how you have chosen to judge me i have no interest in explaining it to you.
you want to carry on hating me for my hatred of gays? that's cool
Re: Homosexual Marraige
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:52 am
by Juliette
I don't really think there's anyone who loses any sleep over the so-called hatred that some might 'feel' for them. I know I don't.
So if that is supposed to impress me, haters, you're failing miserably. *sigh*
Anyway, since this has long since wandered from being a debate into "let's bash other people" (gay or straight), I propose a lock be put in place.
Obviously self-moderation isn't going to cut it.
Re: Homosexual Marraige
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:05 am
by [KMA]Avenger
seeing how straight people are in the lead with regards to the poll...i can live with a lock
Re: Homosexual Marraige
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:26 am
by Mister Sandman
fireball37 wrote: And how would you know? I can't see any sort of a trigger, I was never sexually abused as a child, I didn't have an absent father or an overbearing mother or any of those things. You feel there must be some trigger but that is an opinion, not scientific fact. I have never felt an attraction for a woman, not as far back as I can remember.
There is no scientific fact that a person is "born" or genetically gay. Its like saying I was a born killer. Yes I admit there are higher chances with different people. However, no one is born gay like wise no one is born a killer.fireball37 wrote:Mister Sandman wrote:One can change their instincts. People can change their instincts. Nothing is impossible.
Really? What if I can't? And that's what all the evidence seems to point to, if you read about people who try to change there sexuality, nine times out of ten they become deeply unhappy people unable to emotionally connect... and that's not counting the people they hurt along the way, I'm not going to risk the mental wellbeing of myself and others on the basis of your unsupported, unscientific
theory!
There has been studies of human physiology and animal physiology and it has shown that beings can change their instincts.
All your whining that your cannot change is evidence that you've already given up.
Re: Homosexual Marraige
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:14 am
by [KMA]Avenger
Mister Sandman wrote:There is no scientific fact that a person is "born" or genetically gay. Its like saying I was a born killer. Yes I admit there are higher chances with different people. However, no one is born gay like wise no one is born a killer.
i beg to differ, i have provided evidence that that is indeed the case with both killers and gays. have you done any research of your own?
if not i suggest you go look, learn and then post something so absolute.
i may sound contradictory by offering gays some kind of defense, but i have stated from the outset, tho i may disagree with the entire gay culture, and tho i would wipe them out if i could, i have never blamed them for what they are, you have to understand that some gay people CHOOSE to be gay while others have NO CHOICE in who they are attracted to, i would NOT be able to have such strong opinions of them (and it must be said that to have such strong opinions you have to grant them at least that much respect) if i did not understand at least that much...
take me for example, i am STRONGLY attracted to the female in MLH's sig...i feel i have no choice
seriously mate, do some research to see what makes some (if not all) gays tick.
Re: Homosexual Marraige
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:25 am
by Mister Sandman
All the so call scientific proof is BS.
Yes, you can have different chemical make up , just like bi pola and other diseases. However, if you say that being gay is a chemical imbalance. Then your saying is a disease. And It needs to be treated.
Its to do with the environment, stating that the case of the twin, well I think something weird happened at the birth to one of them.
Overall, it is still a choice. Unless it is more like depression. Then it is a disease and it needs to be treated and treated before it actually gets a hold on the person.
Re: Homosexual Marraige
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:29 am
by Demeisen
Mister Sandman wrote:All the so call scientific proof is BS.
you have no respect for science. you show it with almost every post. you saying something isnt proven by science actually gives a theory more credibility.
Re: Homosexual Marraige
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:41 am
by [KMA]Avenger
Mister Sandman wrote:All the so call scientific proof is BS.
Yes, you can have different chemical make up , just like bi pola and other diseases. However, if you say that being gay is a chemical imbalance. Then your saying is a disease. And It needs to be treated.
Its to do with the environment, stating that the case of the twin, well I think something weird happened at the birth to one of them.
Overall, it is still a choice. Unless it is more like depression. Then it is a disease and it needs to be treated and treated before it actually gets a hold on the person.
meh, i'm not trying to be antagonistic or disrespectful in any way shape or form BUT...
that entire post is BS
just because gays/killers brains dont work the same doesn't mean that we straight non-killer type people weren't dropped on our heads and they were.
there is a hell of ALLOT of evidence which points to chemical imbalance in certain parts of the brain...and just for the record mate, the brain isn't a machine gone wrong cuz of a lack of oil changes. as we all know (some of us, painfully), when the brain or the body suffers from problems, they are not always fixable no matter the severity of the problem.
at the end of the day mate, your wrong, as much as i would like to say a gay is gay because he's gay in nature and does have a choice whether they know it or not...i cant say it because i know there brains don't work the same, its nothing to do with either upbringing or surroundings, if it was, a hell of allot more of us would be gay!
think about that...how many boys out there who have sister/s but no brothers but turn out fine?
that last is only an example and not the be all and end all of an argument.
Re: Homosexual Marraige
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:47 am
by Juliette
Point at the moon and the fools will look at the finger..
Re: Homosexual Marraige
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:59 am
by Cole