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How many times am I supposed to say this.. The poll was a trial. The defendents cannot be on the jury and vote for themselves.. You people have absolutely no common sence..

Ero`Sore wrote:I don't care if it's biased. There are people 100% for mods no matter what just like there are 100% against mods. Can you simply not comprehend that if one makes a poll on what the community thinks about the mods, the mods simply cannot vote for themselves?

I don't care if it's biased

Doesn't that just say it all?

Ero`Sore wrote:

Phoenix of Terra wrote:

Ero`Sore wrote:Thank you.
Anymore alligations my Eros Hate Club?

Nobody said you didn't do anything in 24 hours. I think the point of this matter, from this "Eros Hate Club", is that what you did was ridiculous and unneccessary. In fact, I think you've done more, for good or bad, than most people in their first day in their position.

Actually Phoenix some of your fellow extremists did say that. And what did I do that was soooo bad?

All I did was make a poll to let me know if others thought that Spacey called me a woman. Is that sooo evil? Cause your acting as if I hacked the forums and corrupted the database.

I will tell you exacly what I have done as an ombudsman right now:

#1 I read all their threads.
#2 I replied to over 15 of them.
#3 I made a suggestion on how to improve the respect group. (there is no rule that an ombudsman cannot make an honest suggestion.
#4 Apparently people in the Respect group felt violated that I posted in their section (note that there was nothing posted or said to me to let me know prior of that). As soon as Zerathul told me, I appologized and asked the mods to move the thread out of their section. Wolf also pointed out to me that the respect group is only for respectfull people, and that my thread suggestion was off cause of it (so I then appologize for that too). The mods have yet to move the thread out of the respect group after several requests from me.
#5 A person approaches me on MSN complaining about Nimras prematurely locking several threads. I investigate.
#6 One of my replies to a thread is mocked by Spacey by him calling me a woman (in my interpretation and as of right now, 27 others').
#7 I call him out on it on MSN, he refuses to admit that I could even interpret is as such, therefore I make a poll to answer our questions.
#8 Spacey gets massed by DHM because of personal reasons and because he too thought I was insulted (I did not ask DHM to mass Spacey, I even asked him to stop any future masses).
#9 Wolf innapropriately moves my thread to a unrelated section (I believe he did it so he could hide it from the General Public), so I Warned him.
#10 Smoosh threatens me to stop trying to figure out if Spacey called me a woman, I refuse, he fires me.

All I did was make a poll to let me know if others thought that Spacey called me a woman. Is that sooo evil? Cause your acting as if I hacked the forums and corrupted the database.

I already replied to you via pm to a similar post - but it seems you are unable to grasp certain things, or just like twisting the reality....

Answering to the statement number:

3. Did you suggest? Or did you in fact wade in making incorrect statements because of your own ignorance? Yes, you eventually apologised, and for that you are to be comended - it is the one good thing you have done in all of this mess.

6. I'm not even going to go on with this, other than to say, you took it too far - even after Spacey and others had tried to explain you had misinterpreted it, and considering your own statement 'that most normal people wouldn't find it offensive' - go figure.

9. I inappropriately moved your thread? Okay - listen, it's quite simple:

As stated on the forum:

StarGateWars General
Forum for all general ingame discussion.

Meaning that all in-game discussion that doesn't fit anywhere else goes here.

Now, let me ask you and everyone else a question.... Is the fact that Spacey allegedly called you a woman relevant to in-game discussion (the big clue being the in-game part)?

In short, no, it isn't.

Therefore it was moved AND a shadow topic left in SGW General. The place it was moved to is visible to all forum users - so NOTHING was being hidden. Can you grasp that concept?

And let's be honest here Eros, don't miss parts out to make yourself look like the heroic victim/'warner' of mods......

So here's the bits you missed out.....

After I moved it you contacted me via pm, saying that I shouldn't have moved it because it was relevant to SGW General. I said it wasn't because it was in no way game related. I also said that even if I wanted to move it back, I couldn't because I couldn't (at the time) mod the place it had been moved to and could therefore not move it from there.

It was then some time after that message that you 'warned' me. And let's be clear on this - the ombudsman does not have the authority to warn a mod - only the Admins do. And you warned me after contacting me and me stating that I was unable to move it.

And, while we're talking about the warning, the reason given for it was that I 'shouldn't be moving an official ombudsman thread'. Well, if it was official, why wasn't it in your 'official' red ombudsman text? And even if it was official - it still didn't belong there.

You said in another post that you won't answer my pots if I keep repeating teh same things - but isn't that what you are doing (as well as twisting the reality/missing bits out)? Not only are you doing it, but you are constantly doing it despite the fact that each one of your points has been countered time and time again. Yet you time and time again simply refuse to tell us all what this unjust 'propoganda' we are using against you is.

My reply to your PM:
Just because you say you countered them and they are weak, it doesn't make it true
Your counters/opinions are nothing more than irrelivent spam.

Also Wolf, how can you say I keep repeating the same stuff? I am always the 2nd to talk as first someone has to accuse me, then I rebuttle. If I get the same accusation multiple times, naturally I say the same answer.

Ero'Sore wrote:I am always the 2nd to talk as first someone has to accuse me, then I rebuttle. If I get the same accusation multiple times, naturally I say the same answer.

Odd, I remember this all started with you accusing someone else - and then refused to accept their explanation/rebuttal, which lead to you using the same accusations, over, and over.
But keep throwing pebbles - maybe your glass house will eventually garner a scratch or two.


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But thats right... nothing you apply to others are you willing to apply to yourself.

We aren't talking about me acussing Spacey, we're talking about you acussing me of whatever your mind desires

Ero`Sore wrote:We aren't talking about me acussing Spacey, we're talking about you acussing me of whatever your mind desires

Whatever verbal diahorrea you try and dress it up in, his point is correct and valid. This all started with you making an accusation, refusing to even acknowledge the explanation as even being possibly valid, and then going public with it, telling the same old story over and over.

I for one am fed up of the whole damn thing, and have come to the conclusion that the epidermis on my fingertips is far too valuable to waste any further.

Ero'Sore wrote:We aren't talking about me acussing Spacey, we're talking about you acussing me of whatever your mind desires

Try and follow me here:
You accuse Spacey - the community+mods accuses you of being petty.
You accuse the mods - the community+mods accuses you of being vindictive.
You accuse the community - the community+mods accuses you of being irrational.

Everything on the part of the community and moderators has been reactive.
You instigated this, and are providing all the fuel - let me assure you, your actions don't require us to 'come up with' anything.

Ero'Sore wrote:As the community did not remove me, I still consider myself Ombudsman.
If anyone has a problem with a mod they can still come to me and I'll mass the moderator untill he cries.
Thank you and enjoy

:cough:

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Ero'Sore wrote:I am always the 1st to accuse

Fixed.

You accuse Spacey.
We accuse you of being petty.

You accuse us of being mod puppets.
We accuse you of letting your ego blind you & etc.

You accuse us of being vindictive.
We accuse you of letting your ego blind you & etc.

You accuse us of being vindictive.
We accuse you of not being rational.

You accuse us of being the first to accuse you.
& etc.


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I count 15 accuses

Wrong yet again my uneducated friend.

Spacey calls me a woman.
I call him out.
I get fired.
I organize a Mod Mass Group.
You accuse me of stuff (all lies)
I make you look like fools.
Mods try to make me look like fools.
I make them look like fools to the entire community.
Mods+their puppets accuse me of the same stuff (same lies)
I make them look like fools again.

Ero'Sore wrote:Wrong yet again my uneducated friend.
Spacey calls me a woman.

70% of the community say he did not. That is enough for me to claim that Spacey did not, in fact, intentionally insult you. Whatever your perceptions, the fact is, you were wrong.

Spacey wrote:

Ero'Sore wrote:1) Do not publicly argue if you have a problem with a moderator. Contact your ombudsman/woman.

Better, I think.

(Red is Spacey's change, my coloring)
Besides, that is one blatant accusation.

viewtopic.php?f=135&t=100688

Exacly. I am the ombudsman and I say if you have a problem with a mod to contact your ombudsman, and spacey edits it into ombudsman/woman.

It's only at 70% because Wolf moved it into the place that all of Spacey's spammer friends read and they voted No just to protect him. When the poll was here in the general section, 70% said that he did infact call me a woman.
And even if my theory is wrong, over 20 people agree with me that he did infact call me a woman, and 99% of people agree that it could be interpreted both ways.

Ero'Sore wrote:Exacly. I am the ombudsman and I say if you have a problem with a mod to contact your ombudsman, and spacey edits it into ombudsman/woman.

Read your own comment.

Ero'Sore wrote:1) Do not publicly argue if you have a problem with a moderator. Contact Ero`Sore.

and spacey's later post:

Spacey wrote:it is a stipulation to cover any future people who may hold the position. It is not specific to any one person. Hopefully we'll not be editing forum rules each month.

Zeratul wrote:maybe have it as "contact ombudsperson, said mod, other mod, or an admin"?

sounds better.

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Ero'Sore wrote:It's only at 70% because Wolf moved it into the place that all of Spacey's spammer friends read and they voted No just to protect him. When the poll was here in the general section, 70% said that he did infact call me a woman.
And even if my theory is wrong, over 20 people agree with me that he did infact call me a woman, and 99% of people agree that it could be interpreted both ways.

My, my, but you do like "seeing things that aren't there"
It's only at 70% because there was a visible link to the thread in the general section - and the poll ran for just over a day. The longer it ran, the clearer it became that the public did not agree with you. At its past rate , left alone it would run 80-90% against you.

Now, of those that actually posted in the thread - not "Spacey's army of spammer friends that clearly tilted the numbers" - at the time just prior to your firing 13 were against you, and only seven were for you.

Ultimately, you made a big stink over something that has clearly been dismissed as a non-insult - accusing Spacey in public. An action the community saw as extremely juvenile.


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As always, I ask that the readers at least peruse the threads involved.

Speaking of repeated accusations, by the way, Wolf answered those same allegations of spammer hordes, and mod bias on the last page. You have yet to him except with:

Also Wolf, how can you say I keep repeating the same stuff? I am always the 2nd to talk as first someone has to accuse me, then I rebuttle. If I get the same accusation multiple times, naturally I say the same answer.

Something that fails to cover any of the points he raised. For those interested, its the bottom of the last (17th) page.

Ero`Sore wrote:Exacly. I am the ombudsman and I say if you have a problem with a mod to contact your ombudsman, and spacey edits it into ombudsman/woman.

Maybe it's because this spot will not be held for ever by men and made it general...
And if he wanted to insult YOU, he would have said: ombudswoman/man, woman being in first place to define the current situation. Remember people saying he/she/it for different things? They point the role out, not the person holding it!

Eros wrote:Wrong yet again my uneducated friend.

Spacey calls me a woman.
I call him out.
I get fired.
I organize a Mod Mass Group.
You accuse me of stuff (all lies)
I make you look like fools.
Mods try to make me look like fools.
I make them look like fools to the entire community.
Mods+their puppets accuse me of the same stuff (same lies)
I make them look like fools again.

So far youve quite clearly only made yourself look like a fool. This entire thing is soooo funny lol. Your blaming the mods for your own short comings lol. I dont care what spacey said I knew you were bad for the job, its the only reason I ever bothered to take part at all. More to my own support, you lasted no less then 24 hours.

So lets just break it down shall we? WHY you have made yourself appear the fool. Firstly, your arguing with moderators, when the proof is blatently shown to the public, and most of those taking part are quite happily saying spacey did nothing wrong, yet you act like a child and wont let it go. Secondly you made possibly the most ridiculous poll on this forum ive seen to date, and are quite happily changing the story you used for it, first it was a poll, then it was just a test or something..next im sure it will just be a here-say poll. Thirdly, you are arguing about a position that your never going to get reinstated as, your very loudly and clearly demonstrating you lack the skills to perform, and a position that has about as much pushing power as a blind ant in the ocean.

Fourthly and finally, and compromising of all the previous points, your argument now has no point. You havnt and are not going to beat the mods, as the 12 or whatever number of pages has demonstrated, people dont think spacey was wrong (unless of course you go beg for people to come support you again..of course it will be people who generally dont use the forum and have no idea what this is all about..)

I havnt read all this thread as I dont need to. I said you were wrong for the position, it was the only reason I ever ran for it in the first place. Now all I can do is point and laugh at both sides of this argument that has been a bit of a pain the past few days..

@Eros hahahaha. Told you so.

@ some mods and smoosh. hahahaha. Told you so.

Now all im doing is wondering why a mod or someone 'important' has not locked this worthless waste of space, POINTLESS thread or moved it to dump or at least confined it unto the flames?

Seriously eros, if you wanted to prove that the mods were doing a bad job, why not just point out how they have let your sorry ass continue arguing with them for so long in such a manner.

what was that saying...be all my sins remeber'd

Now. Im going to play poker, and have a few days...hmmm...what is the word. Relaxing?