Re: London/UK Riots 2011
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:23 am
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CJL wrote:@KMA, innocent people that arent ready to take a risk to defend their country should not be out in the steerts when riots are happening.
Juliette wrote:True. The 'rebels' in Libya are also murderous swines. I do agree. English society is ripe for an actual rebellion though. Since the West loves interfering in internal affairs (like Libya, Syria, Egypt, Yemen), why do they not interfere in England today? You cannot possibly say that these thieving, vandalising mobs are being handled properly..RepliMagni wrote:The idea that these rioters form any kind of "rebel" element in English society is patently absurd. Drunk, opportunistic and angry kids stealing a plasma TV from Comet is a far cry from the protests in Libya or Syria or Egypt.
[KMA]Avenger wrote:CJL wrote:@KMA, innocent people that arent ready to take a risk to defend their country should not be out in the steerts when riots are happening.
You are kidding right?!
I assume you are because that statement is absolutely shocking on every level to say the least
Eärendil wrote:[KMA]Avenger wrote:And what happens if as KF pointed out-innocent people get shot by rubber bullets or water cannon and end up hurt or worse?
There is no easy solution to this and to say that letting the police come in with such a heavy hand is what's needed is a simplistic approach to a VERY volatile situation which could easily make matters MUCH worse.
Having said that, that's not to say the police should stand back, watch and wait for things to calm down before acting.
Guilty by association?
Why would 'innocent' bystanders be in the thick of the riots anyways.
CJL wrote:[KMA]Avenger wrote:CJL wrote:@KMA, innocent people that arent ready to take a risk to defend their country should not be out in the steerts when riots are happening.
You are kidding right?!
I assume you are because that statement is absolutely shocking on every level to say the least
Of course I was joking, every **Filtered** should go and stand on a pavement by shops being burnt and just watch the thugs doing as they please. Brilliant idea.
[KMA]Avenger wrote:CJL wrote:[KMA]Avenger wrote:CJL wrote:@KMA, innocent people that arent ready to take a risk to defend their country should not be out in the steerts when riots are happening.
You are kidding right?!
I assume you are because that statement is absolutely shocking on every level to say the least
Of course I was joking, every **Filtered** should go and stand on a pavement by shops being burnt and just watch the thugs doing as they please. Brilliant idea.
You are obviously not talking to me since i have not advocated the police stand back and watch....unless you can show me where i said that exactly?
CJL wrote:[KMA]Avenger wrote:CJL wrote:[KMA]Avenger wrote:CJL wrote:@KMA, innocent people that arent ready to take a risk to defend their country should not be out in the steerts when riots are happening.
You are kidding right?!
I assume you are because that statement is absolutely shocking on every level to say the least
Of course I was joking, every **Filtered** should go and stand on a pavement by shops being burnt and just watch the thugs doing as they please. Brilliant idea.
You are obviously not talking to me since i have not advocated the police stand back and watch....unless you can show me where i said that exactly?
the police are part of the people that are willing to take the risk to defend their country. My post refered to citizens that ought to not be in the streets while riots are taking place.
Kit-Fox wrote:Please oh so very please do go to NI or even Eire and publically state that rubber bullets dont kill people.
I'd love to see if you make it out of there alive, hell even a 'blank' can kill.
And water cannons again can also seriously injure/miam & cause permanent disability & they are not target specific weapons, they are indiscrimate which is even worse than so called 'rubber' bullets.
EDIT: As for your police friend, well thats his job. To put his life on the line to defend society. He is paid to do exactly that & if required to even die in the line of duty. If he cant stomach that or doesnt like the prospect then perhaps he shouldnt be a cop.
In Northern Ireland over 35 years (1970–2005) approximately 125,000 baton rounds were fired—an average of ten per day—causing 17 deaths.[11] The baton round was made available to British police forces outside Northern Ireland from 2001.
Kit-Fox wrote:The job of the police is to bring law breakers to the courts & to defend society if called upon to do so (which they are called upon to do so when civil unrest/riots happen)
Part of that includes putting thier lives at risk so that other members of society dont have.
And yes that is part of the job whether you like it or not.
Being a police officer is not a job or a career, it is a calling & having had several family members in various police forces in the UK who have told me that & would tell you that too I can safely say it is a fair description.
If members of the police forces today cant stomach that, then perhaps they are in the *wrong* profession
Eärendil wrote:[KMA]Avenger wrote:Eärendil wrote:[KMA]Avenger wrote:And what happens if as KF pointed out-innocent people get shot by rubber bullets or water cannon and end up hurt or worse?
There is no easy solution to this and to say that letting the police come in with such a heavy hand is what's needed is a simplistic approach to a VERY volatile situation which could easily make matters MUCH worse.
Having said that, that's not to say the police should stand back, watch and wait for things to calm down before acting.
Guilty by association?
Why would 'innocent' bystanders be in the thick of the riots anyways.
It's not unheard of and has been known to happen.
Sure its known to happen but I bet that they could also be opportunistic as well.
innocent until proven guilty? To me, those with/ the rioting groups are proving guilt.
There are a load of pictures online where you can give great taglines. This being one of them.RepliMagni wrote:
Who is the toff standing to one side? Made me lol
Tagline: "Dear me old chap, those jeans would look positively terrible on you"