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Wolf359 wrote:

pianomutt20000 wrote:i never said that there was no benifit on the main server. If you read that, then i would get your sight checked........What i said was. Ascended players get bonuses in 2 servers....I am asking to buy them in 1 server. You still have an advantage of playing 2 servers, plus additional bonuses in that server. Enjoying that power in main IS nice, and not many non-ascended players will have the same power... But, I am asking for equal footing on the non-ascended server...(non-ascended). Like i said, you get 2 bonuses. i get one. I still don't see the problem.

I don't think he said that you did say there was no benefit in Main - but I think he was trying to point out that some players regard the bonus you get in MAIN as more beneficial to the bonus you get in ascension (which isn't really a bonus as you simply add to the power of your ascended account using the points you gain in main - so really, the only BONUS is in Main).

I for one prefer the bonus in Main over what happens in the ascended server - and I don;t really see how you can say that playing in 2 servers is and advantage?

The fact you are asking for equal footage sums it up! Why should you have equal footage for not ascending? The existing bonus is, after all, in recognition of teh fact that you have ascended - and the more you ascend, the greater your bonus! Funny old thing, it is just like a God bestowing more and more power on his follower as he gets more and more powerful (I reckon I might be on to something there! ).

The problem is that ascended players don't want to see non-ascended players on 'an equal footing' - mainly because it is hardly fair. Now, Bahamut's ideas (seemingly lost now in the grey midst of tis thread) had some credibility, but people now seem to have gotten away from that - perhaps if his ideas were brought to the forefront again, we could discuss those.

Like Mango said - you must've made a decision not to ascend and some point and concentrate on your stats - the point is that everyone had that choice.

Additionally, I like some of Mango's ideas (5000 G&R for a 1% increase in a stat - max 5% increase per stat) - probably one of the better posts in this thread. Now you might say 5000 G&R is high - but then you don't have to have your account reset, therefore you don't lose your place in the ranks - and since a lot of the arguments around not ascending is because you would lose all your high stats (UP/Spy level etc) - then this would seem to be a good trade off.

Bahamut wrote:what if someone doesn't want to ascend?

i personally most like playing as goa'uld and really i don't want to manage few accounts

i quit q wont play chaos etc....


so why there isn't possibility to upgrade original account with some extra skills

for example:

goa'ulds have +25% extra on turn income and free banking

and why there shouldn't be possibilty either to upgrade that to +50%

or to mix it on other race bonuses

goa'uld

original:
+25% on income and free banking

extra:
+10% on income
+10% on covert
+5% on attack

so that would make game even more interesting because u wouldn't know what aditional perks some of players used

also if player choose not to ascend and play this kind of account the ascension link should be removed from that account as that player choose to play as not ascended.

Bahamut wrote:ok this is exactly what i had on mind

current state:

ASGARD TECH TREE +25% on defense, race base

Siege attack:
- classic asgard mothership (+65%)
- the jack oneil model mothership (+70%)

Defence fortification:
- asgard defended city (+30% )
- asgard defended planet ( +40% )

Covert Enhancements:
-visual recorder drone (+20% )
-mind computer integration ( +35% )

AntiCovert Enhancements:
race base tech:
-memory display drone (anticovert)
upgrades:
- mind computer disintegration ( +35% )

Unique:
- holographic city duplication ( +5% )
- holographic city duplication ( +15% )
CREATES A FALSE TARGET THAT ENEMIES MAY STRIKE INSTEAD OF YOUR REALM, THEY STILL USE FULL TURNS

GOA’ULD TECH TREE +25% on income race base

Siege attack:
- Alkesh bomber support ( +55% )
- Hatak mothership support (+70%)

Defense fortification:
- Pyramid (+30% )
- Dominated world ( +60% )

Covert Enhancements:
- mobile rings (+20% )
- personal stealth tech ( +30% )

AntiCovert Enhancements:
upgrades:
- HandHeld truth device ( +20% )
- ArmLance of vision ( +30% )

Unique:
- host processing facility ( +5% )
- advanced host processing facility ( +10% )
CONVERTS ENEMY DEAD INTO SELF UNTRAINED UNITS

REPLICATOR TECH TREE +25% on covert race base

Siege attack:
- Replicator Converted ship support ( +50% )
- large scale nano infection ray ( +60%)

Defence fortification:
- fully infected planet ( +55% )
- fully converted planet ( +65% )

Covert Enhancements:
- Item MIMICRY programing ( +10% )
- humanoid MIMICRY programing ( +20% )

AntiCovert Enhancements:
race base tech:
-neural inhibitors(anticovert)
upgrades:
- spiked memory retrieval unit ( +20% )
- environmental behaviourial routine generator ( +35% )

Unique:
- Unit regeneration subroutine( +5% )
- advanced Unit regeneration subroutine( +10% )
REGENERATES SELF KILLED UNITS


TAURI TECH TREE - +25% on attack race base

Siege attack:
- Ground support ( +20% )
- Air Support ( +45%)

Defence fortification:
- command outpost ( +45% )
- underground military base ( +55% )

Covert Enhancements:
- enhanced camouflage ( +25% )
- Reverse Engineered Personelle Cloaking Technology ( +30% )

AntiCovert Enhancements:
race base tech:
-Nid interrogation techniques(anticovert)
upgrades:
- mobile deprograming camps
Unique:
- Rapid evacuation technology ( +5% )
- advanced Rapid evacuation technology ( +10% )
ALLOWS QUICK STRIKE ON THE ENEMY, WITH A RAPID EVACUATION BEFORE THE ENEMY COULD STRIKE BACK. FULL GAINS ARE STILL OBTAINED

as result of full upgrades i have now screen like this:



so those above are base tech upgrades(and as u can see fully upgraded), and with this idea we would have possibility of upgrading additional technologies (buttons for each level of upgrading), limiting race base addon.


ASGARD ADDON TECH TREE

ATTACK ENHANCEMENTS:

- Tauri advanced military training program - mind integration level1 ( +5% to attack )
- Tauri advanced military training program - mind integration level2 ( +10% to attack )
- Tauri advanced military training program - mind integration level3 ( +15% to attack )
- Tauri advanced military training program - mind integration level4 ( +20% to attack )
- Tauri advanced military training program - mind integration level5 ( +25% to attack )

DEFENSE ENHANCEMENTS:

- Asgard holographic mothership fleet - level1 ( +5% to defnse )
- Asgard holographic mothership fleet - level2 ( +10% to defense )
base race advantages are to be limited to only 2 upgrades

COVERT ENHANCEMENTS:

- cloned humanform replicators - level1 ( +5% to covert )
- cloned humanform replicators - level2 ( +10% to covert )
- cloned humanform replicators - level3 ( +15% to covert )
- cloned humanform replicators - level4 ( +20% to covert )
- cloned humanform replicators - level5 ( +25% to covert )

PRODUCTIVITY ENHANCEMENTS:

- Kull warrior producing technology - level1 ( +5% to income )
- Kull warrior producing technology - level2 ( +10% to income )
- Kull warrior producing technology - level3 ( +15% to income )
- Kull warrior producing technology - level4 ( +20% to income )
- Kull warrior producing technology - level5 ( +25% to income )

GOA’ULD ADDON TECH TREE

ATTACK ENHANCEMENTS:

- Tauri advanced military training program - Kull warrior mind integration level1 ( +5% to attack )
- Tauri advanced military training program - Kull warrior mind integration level2 ( +10% to attack )
- Tauri advanced military training program - Kull warrior mind integration level3 ( +15% to attack )
- Tauri advanced military training program - Kull warrior mind integration level4 ( +20% to attack )
- Tauri advanced military training program - Kull warrior mind integration level5 ( +25% to attack )

DEFENSE ENHANCEMENTS:

- Asgard holographic projection technology - level1 ( +5% to defense )
- Asgard holographic projection technology - level2 ( +10% to defense )
- Asgard holographic projection technology - level3 ( +15% to defense )
- Asgard holographic projection technology - level4 ( +20% to defense )
- Asgard holographic projection technology - level5 ( +25% to defense )

COVERT ENHANCEMENTS:

- cloned humanform replicators - level1 ( +5% to covert )
- cloned humanform replicators - level2 ( +10% to covert )
- cloned humanform replicators - level3 ( +15% to covert )
- cloned humanform replicators - level4 ( +20% to covert )
- cloned humanform replicators - level5 ( +25% to covert )

PRODUCTIVITY ENHANCEMENTS:

- Advanced Kull warrior producing technology - level1 ( +5% to income )
- Advanced Kull warrior producing technology - level2 ( +10% to income )
base race advantages are to be limited to only 2 upgrades


REPLICATOR ADDON TECH TREE

ATTACK ENHANCEMENTS:

- Tauri advanced military training program - human-form Replicators mind integration level1 ( +5% to attack )
- Tauri advanced military training program - human-form Replicators mind integration level2 ( +10% to attack )
- Tauri advanced military training program - human-form Replicators mind integration level3 ( +15% to attack )
- Tauri advanced military training program - human-form Replicators mind integration level4 ( +20% to attack )
- Tauri advanced military training program - human-form Replicators mind integration level5 ( +25% to attack )

DEFENSE ENHANCEMENTS:

- Replicated Asgard holographic projection technology - level1 ( +5% to defense )
- Replicated Asgard holographic projection technology - level2 ( +10% to defense )
- Replicated Asgard holographic projection technology - level3 ( +15% to defense )
- Replicated Asgard holographic projection technology - level4 ( +20% to defense )
- Replicated Asgard holographic projection technology - level5 ( +25% to defense )

COVERT ENHANCEMENTS:

- Replicated cloning technology - level1 ( +5% to covert )
- Replicated cloning technology - level2 ( +10% to covert )
base race advantages are to be limited to only 2 upgrades

PRODUCTIVITY ENHANCEMENTS:

- Replicated Kull warrior producing technology - level1 ( +5% to income )
- Replicated Kull warrior producing technology - level2 ( +10% to income )
- Replicated Kull warrior producing technology - level3 ( +15% to income )
- Replicated Kull warrior producing technology - level4 ( +20% to income )
- Replicated Kull warrior producing technology - level5 ( +25% to income )

TAURI ADDON TECH TREE

ATTACK ENHANCEMENTS:

- Tauri advanced military training program - mind integration level1 ( +5% to attack )
- Tauri advanced military training program - mind integration level2 ( +10% to attack )
base race advantages are to be limited to only 2 upgrades

DEFENSE ENHANCEMENTS:

- Asgard holographic projection technology - level1 ( +5% to defense )
- Asgard holographic projection technology - level2 ( +10% to defense )
- Asgard holographic projection technology - level3 ( +15% to defense )
- Asgard holographic projection technology - level4 ( +20% to defense )
- Asgard holographic projection technology - level5 ( +25% to defense )

COVERT ENHANCEMENTS:

- cloned humanform replicators - level1 ( +5% to covert )
- cloned humanform replicators - level2 ( +10% to covert )
- cloned humanform replicators - level3 ( +15% to covert )
- cloned humanform replicators - level4 ( +20% to covert )
- cloned humanform replicators - level5 ( +25% to covert )

PRODUCTIVITY ENHANCEMENTS:

- Kull warrior producing technology - level1 ( +5% to income )
- Kull warrior producing technology - level2 ( +10% to income )
- Kull warrior producing technology - level3 ( +15% to income )
- Kull warrior producing technology - level4 ( +20% to income )
- Kull warrior producing technology - level5 ( +25% to income )


wich would at the end result with screen like this:




TO SPOON

Loosing stuff.

as benefits of full ascension are more then double now to be exact now are 75% more then regular accounts, and since there is ability to transfer uu and no uu is required to ascend, u only loose trained military persons and those uu that are taxed on transfers

U don't need 1 spie to ascend u don't need uu to ascend, u need trained attack and defense units (wich can be mercenaries) u need arround 100 bilion to regain preascension status and start gathering G&R points.

So honestly i don't see why we should loose any stuff for this.
maybe if one new weapon would be introduced, by power in middle with current main account and ascended account (best weapon of lets say 3860/3860) then we would need to sell all best 2560/2560 wepons so we would losse 5%.

we would have 3 type of accounts

regular main +25%
customized main +50% (5 times tech upgrade)
ascension shell '+100% (5 times ascension)

so cost of ascension is arround 100bil
50 bil should be good starting point for customized account tech upgrades, and those should raise for each tech upgrade by 10 -25 bil !


heh long one

bahamut wrote:u know what is this: 29 062 920 000 of naq? 29 bil naq u know wolf what is that, that is only one among 2 raw costs!


and don't provoke me with how expensive it is until it is allowed to debate about ascension keep that for ascension part of forum

Wolf359 wrote:For god's sake - take a chill pill man! It wasn't even my idea! Therefore I was not talking nonsense or being stupid, and I was not trying to provoke you.

Bahamut wrote:it is ridiculos 5000g&r points for 1 % comeon u can do better then that

u know what is this: 29 062 920 000 of naq? 29 bil naq u know wolf what is that, that is only one among 2 raw costs!

so your ideas about 5000G&R points for 1% upgrade is nonsense! stupidity or any other word u wona use

Wolf359 wrote:

Bahamut wrote:it is ridiculos 5000g&r points for 1 % comeon u can do better then that

u know what is this: 29 062 920 000 of naq? 29 bil naq u know wolf what is that, that is only one among 2 raw costs!

so your ideas about 5000G&R points for 1% upgrade is nonsense! stupidity or any other word u wona use

No - you did say it was me - I've highlighted the bits just for clarification.

You are now just trying to be clever - I know what you are talking about - but I am happy that I have not overstepped the mark - everyone knows that reascending adds to your ascended power.

Wolf359 wrote:okay - np

(PS it was Mango's idea, not Magni's )

Mango wrote:Back on topic - I think G&R should be able to be used to gain VERY small advantages, maybe spending 5000 G&R to get a +1%(max 5% in any one stat) bonous or something similar, if the bonus is too high then you take away from the effort many people have put into ascending.

Or I think someone suggested 1000 G&R = 1 name change, or 1 race change, minor non-game but helpful bonus.

Bahamut wrote:what if someone doesn't want to ascend?

i personally most like playing as goa'uld and really i don't want to manage few accounts

i quit q wont play chaos etc....


so why there isn't possibility to upgrade original account with some extra skills

for example:

goa'ulds have +25% extra on turn income and free banking

and why there shouldn't be possibilty either to upgrade that to +50%

or to mix it on other race bonuses

goa'uld

original:
+25% on income and free banking

extra:
+10% on income
+10% on covert
+5% on attack

so that would make game even more interesting because u wouldn't know what aditional perks some of players used

also if player choose not to ascend and play this kind of account the ascension link should be removed from that account as that player choose to play as not ascended.

Bahamut wrote:this idea is nonsense and stupidity

but mango u are not stupid