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Ok, I skimmed through the thread. Here are my thoughts:

1) I would prefer some sort of permenant loss for being descended, preferably to the main account (perhaps the "loss" of your last ascension, whether that be 1% or 5%). This loss should be able to be recovered of course (likely through another ascension). My reasoning is that at this time, there is no way to really damage an account. You can remove their weapons and armies, but a well maintained account can rebuild those without a thought. This would introduce a real element of risk and the chance of being truly damaged to everyone who has ascended (in addition to making a few of those 1% bonuses possibly worthwhile as they could then act as a sort of buffer to losing the larger 5% bonuses).

2) Vac modes should be linked, end of story.

3) ascention battles have to be 1v1. If you try to descend someone, all outside parties should be prevented from interfering.

4) no cosmic market. Part of the cost of descending a player will be the investment in resources, specifically turns. If AT is readily available on the market, then descending people can be more affordable and thus easier. Descension should be something that is very hard to accomplish and done rarely, especially if permanent losses are used.

Cosmic Trade Thread
http://herebegames.com/StarGateWars/vie ... hp?t=41325

I have started a separate thread as I feel that this really is a separate issue that needs discussion. I do not envisage one that is at all similar to the one on main. This thread is mainly about decension not trade. Sorry to have mentioned it in this thread

I resent the implication that "Top players have used vacation mode as a tactical option". I consider myself a top player and I have NEVER used vacation mode, as a tactical option or for any other reason. And believe me, if you ask Forum, he will tell you that I have been pushing for the linking of vacation mode in main and ascension for almost as long as the ascension server has been opened.

My suggestions:

1.) Descension should occur one of two ways:
a.)God Quest: you seek out the ascended self person and decide if you want to engage them in single 1 v. 1 combat. If you decide to, based on what you see, you engage each other until one or the other is reduced to 0 LF.
b.) Total defense destruction: You batter down their physical realm defense and seek them out physically (if you wish) then the two ascended beings engage each other.

2.) Descension should be more like it was presented to us in earlier discussions: you lose 1 ascended level, and you are a shell account again, naked, lying in a cornfield. I don't think that descension should be watered down simply because people with a lack of foresight decided they were going to use ascension in a manner for which it was not designed.

3.) Vacation mode in ascension and main linked somehow. I prefer vacation in one, vacation in the other. And, if you have attacked in either server in the past five days, you are SOL. You cannot go on vacation mode. But if they at least link it where, if you are on vacation mode in ascension, you lose your ascended bonuses in main, that would be acceptable.

4.) Make the voluntary descension less traumatic than an involuntary one. If you voluntarily descend, you do not end up naked in a cornfield. You keep all super-soldiers, covert/anti-covert operatives, UP, Naquadah, and UU/miners/Lifers, but you lose the technologies and weapons (as some of those are of ascended origin) and you get to choose the non-ascended race you wish to be. But if you choose to ascend at a later date, you will have to pay the ascension costs for whichever ascension this will be for you. Say, if you ascended twice and then decided that it would be better for you not to be ascended, you descend back down to a non-ascended status. If you decided to ascend again, you would pay third ascension costs. By doing this, you give all the players who DON'T play ascension a chance to keep their main accounts somewhat intact and bow out of the server gracefully.

5.) Do NOT let personal ascended stats affect the physical realm. Otherwise, there is no need to buy a physical realm attack score as you could attack someone without losing any planets with your personal attack.

Just my two cents' worth.

eshhh, i kinda don't liekt his. cause i barely play asecntiona nd i play main alot.a nd i don't got alot of time to play another game. so i personally don't rly like this.

Firecracker048 wrote:eshhh, i kinda don't liekt his. cause i barely play asecntiona nd i play main alot.a nd i don't got alot of time to play another game. so i personally don't rly like this.

As has been stated many times before - whether you like it or not does not matter - descension is going to be introduced, and it is likely that players will not be able to hide on vacation.

The purpose of this thread is to discuss the proposed enhancement, not whether it should be introduced or not.

Seems Main areas of disagreement seem to be around the following Points

Should being descended effect main bonuses and for how long- My view Yes for 1 month

Should there be permanent damage in main from descension- My view is again Yes although I personally would not support complete descension an loss of all bonuses.

How does this personal attack work- My view is that is should be one on one in ascended realm similar to God quest, a challenge is issued and the 2 players have 1 week to prepare for battle until one succombs. The battle is automatic and only affects their ascended being. After such an attack the combatants can not attack or be attacked for a 1 month period

Whether or not you knew- get over it, there are plenty of changes you need to adapt and survive. If you don't evolve become extinct. I have suggested earlier in thread about possible compromise positions of having Mortal/Ascended Bonuses. In Hindsight this would be way too complex to police so I have come down on the side of live with what Forum thinks best and don't whinge if you don't like it. Adapt to Survive

Firecracker048 wrote:eshhh, i kinda don't liekt his. cause i barely play asecntiona nd i play main alot.a nd i don't got alot of time to play another game. so i personally don't rly like this.

Then you should not have ascended! This is the prime example why there needs to be a perm. lost for being decended.

Just to clarify things:

Help&Rules wrote:Ascension is an evolved state of play, on both the 'main' level, and the ascended level. It opens up a new game (ascended.stargatewars.com) as well as altering your main account.

Requirements: blah blah blah full details can be found here.

At no point does it say anywhere if you ascend then you MUST play that server. It merly states that it opens up a new game server.

I was of the understanding the bonuses gained in main were a reward for gaining G&R in main and sacrificing uu, naq etc etc

To me gaining access to the ascended realm was an added bonus for doing well in main as opposed to bonuses in main being a reward for playing ascended.

Regards,

there are PLENTY OF PARAGRAPHS on the risk involved when you ascended it took 3 or 4 clicks for god sakes

and there was ALOT of warning all over the pages

I would like to post the opinion that when you get descended that you loss one Level of ascension, so a 6 would go back to 5, 5 back to 4, ETC... To get descended and lose all of your ascensions does not seem right to me.

Some people have compared this to the TV Show where you lose all of your power, but in the TV show you only ascend once and gain all the power. Most people have ascended to both play and gain the bonuses that it has awarded. And once you choose to ascend then you lose your special Race bonus and start to gain a bonus on all the stats. That is the advantage of Ascending and the curse of ascending; as once you start you pretty much have to go for the 6 Ascensions in order for it to be of the most benefit to you. Also you lose your races special Tech which to me was no big deal as the Gou'ald Tech is a waste anyways.

I just think that if a person who has ascended 6 times gets descended once and loses all that he worked for, that person will most likely leave the game.

And the main account should not lose it weapons or trained soldiers unless it is prior to regular account then the ascended weapons should be replaced with the regular weapons as they would lose the Ascended technology.

As for the time limits between getting descended, they should remain as Forum has suggested. That way, people can try to work out there differences and not lose everything in a day. Descend someone should be as hard as possible and there should be repercussions to the person that Does descend someone, that person should also be put on a forced PPT where they cannot opt out of it. As the power required to Descend a person is a drain on them as well.


Well that is my humble opinion.

Duke Leto II wrote:I would like to post the opinion that when you get descended that you loss one Level of ascension, so a 6 would go back to 5, 5 back to 4, ETC... To get descended and lose all of your ascensions does not seem right to me.

Some people have compared this to the TV Show where you lose all of your power, but in the TV show you only ascend once and gain all the power. Most people have ascended to both play and gain the bonuses that it has awarded. And once you choose to ascend then you lose your special Race bonus and start to gain a bonus on all the stats. That is the advantage of Ascending and the curse of ascending; as once you start you pretty much have to go for the 6 Ascensions in order for it to be of the most benefit to you. Also you lose your races special Tech which to me was no big deal as the Gou'ald Tech is a waste anyways.

I just think that if a person who has ascended 6 times gets descended once and loses all that he worked for, that person will most likely leave the game.

And the main account should not lose it weapons or trained soldiers unless it is prior to regular account then the ascended weapons should be replaced with the regular weapons as they would lose the Ascended technology.

As for the time limits between getting descended, they should remain as Forum has suggested. That way, people can try to work out there differences and not lose everything in a day. Descend someone should be as hard as possible and there should be repercussions to the person that Does descend someone, that person should also be put on a forced PPT where they cannot opt out of it. As the power required to Descend a person is a drain on them as well.


Well that is my humble opinion.

Lito, if it is any consolation. I don't believe anyone is proposing that all ascensions be lost at onece. 99% of those that have posted here seem to be in 1 of 3 camps.
1. likes forum's plan.
2. Wants Descension to cause 1 ascension to be removed from your main account.
3. Wants absolutely nothing to happen to main regardless of what happens in ascension (led by tok'ra, very vocally might I add)

I'm for a fusion of points 1 and 2 on that list.

Missa want's Number 1!!!

#3 and a 4 double shots of vodka.

Goretrek wrote:Just to clarify things:

Help&Rules wrote:Ascension is an evolved state of play, on both the 'main' level, and the ascended level. It opens up a new game (ascended.stargatewars.com) as well as altering your main account.

Requirements: blah blah blah full details can be found here.

At no point does it say anywhere if you ascend then you MUST play that server. It merly states that it opens up a new game server.

I was of the understanding the bonuses gained in main were a reward for gaining G&R in main and sacrificing uu, naq etc etc

To me gaining access to the ascended realm was an added bonus for doing well in main as opposed to bonuses in main being a reward for playing ascended.

Regards,

I've highlighted the relevant words - see if you can spot which ones they are:

Ascension is an evolved state of PLAY, on BOTH the 'main' level, AND the ascended level.

You get the bonuses in Main because your Ascended being in Ascension bestows them - if your ascended being is permanently on vacation then it can be seen as abandoning his/her people - hence no bestowed bonus. Or, if he/she is descended - they have no power to bestow.

I will repeat - this thread is not a discussion on if this will be implemented - but how best to implemement it. At the end of the day, Forum will heed the comments in here, or he will not - it his his creation and we must all make the best of his decision.