What's the deal with the TA and the OE..

[SSG EnterTheLion]

I'm happy to discover that Math. As for your heroes, I don't know your PERSONAL heroes. I was referring more in the sense of alliance players
heroes..you know sc thor etc..the old TA, the guys who I pointed out earlier.
There is one thing I dislike..when alliances allow people they know have exploited/cheated just b/c they have alot of stats/ power and it helps them against their enemies. Again not referring to the TA..making a general statement.

For instance, not many know this but both Nebulator and JUAN wanted to join Omega at one time. Both were shown the door.

Oh my kitty kat. So calling people up and getting them to bank for you wasn't cheating? You've been dirty from the start and your alliance has a lot of dirty secrets...

If they don't play the game it is legal..you think I didn't ask admin that? And btw haven't u surrendered?

[Nimras]

Wow, I can't believe EPA has so many cheaters. Once again, I would never apologize for calling FUALL and TTF children, for it is pretty damn apparent that some act like such.

What side used the phase bug to withdraw naq and keep it out and mass? WHILE PHASED... Oh, that would be EPA... Damn... Almost forgot about that....

Made no bug misused so please.

Now and OE runs around whining that BMMJ13 said FUALL and TTF acted like children and look what you did to this thread both sides when you have then read his comment again OE and then take your biting at us for the so called "INSULT" he made and put it up your nose or something as you damn showed he is right goes to both places.

Can we get this topic locked or back on topic as i find it degrading to listen about who cheated the most.

Look FUALL used a bug TTF used a bug, FUALL has/had a scammer TTF has/had a scammer and FUALL has/had a cheater TTF has/had a cheater.

Who cares both of you had and both will as thats almost impossible to stop.

Now for on topic seems like OE and EPA has a tendensy to talk past each other from the sound of it heh.

[Dundee]

Wow, I can't believe EPA has so many cheaters. Once again, I would never apologize for calling FUALL and TTF children, for it is pretty damn apparent that some act like such.

What side used the phase bug to withdraw naq and keep it out and mass? WHILE PHASED... Oh, that would be EPA... Damn... Almost forgot about that....

I suspect he is referring to Stoney and a couple of other aussies that abused this bug unaware that it was a bug. They paid their dues for their crimes and it certainly wasn't sanctioned abuse by EPA.

i see this has moved away from being a topic about EPA and OE, and now a topic about which side has cheated... which side is more honourable... how dissapointed OE is now, let me just address that, ETL, i wasn't around in the GA days but if you knew the fixed date when EPA was going to strike, why did you do a pre emptive strike, why not try to talk it over, if you were really friends of EPA rather than the enemy why did you attack and not talk to EPA. I beleive that is where our bad nature towards OE started, but as i said i wasn't around back then.

can we keep on topic please, the war thread has been reopened for a reason and there is a discussion topic for TTF vs FUALL

yeah agreed..this is a topic only for FUALL/OE and EPAC..so I ask any mods to delete any diverging post from this point on.

As for answering your question. The war didn't begin immediately. After the GA disbanded there was a long period of relative peace. It was during this time that EPAC members used to post insulting stuff about Omega and individuals. Our HC had full access to these posts of course and we did discuss it with one or 2 epa members..I remember Balhaar and me used to talk ALOT. As I mentioned I was puzzled because here we in Omega still were trying to find a way to keep the alliance. We tried to convince EPAC to cut down to 120 members. After all, if the most powerful alliance in the game could keep itself small to honour it's allies, so could EPAC! I found it particularly weird how it was all anti omega and nothing against DD/DDE. When one thinks about it, that seems like someone was manipulating the EPAC. And then when JaseB announced a time to strike, which wasn 't that far off..I wasn't going to sit by and let my alliance be attacked. It's like someone knowing that a disaster like 9/11 was going to happen and not warning anyone about it. Believe me when I tell you I was saddened to give the order to strike.

I suspect most of the animosity at that time was built up around the fact that we all trusted Omega 100% and therefore felt betrayed by Omega the most, whether that's the case or not I'm confident that's what the general feeling was.

[Norbe]

I'll reply to ETL as well.

I'm happy to discover that Math. As for your heroes, I don't know your PERSONAL heroes. I was referring more in the sense of alliance players
heroes..you know sc thor etc..the old TA, the guys who I pointed out earlier..

Perhaps one thing that you dont know, ETL, is that the players from the early who get the most praise and respect within TA are those that are still here, like Nox and O-Neill. Personally I think anyone who's only legacy is to cause what is basically a never-ending (or four years and still counting) conflict with other major alliances is not someone who I should be looking up to. I will generalise and say that the majority of newer TA players probably feel the same.

Oh and one more thing, lets not forget that the history between TA and EPA is interesting. In the early stages of the game TA and EPA were very closely related, infact before alliance tags came in we shared many members. The ties between TA and EPA were eventually cut (though TA were none the wiser at the time) and EPA caught us completely by suprise when they joined the GA, and subsequently fought against TA in the Faction War. Its interesting that TA and EPAs paths have crossed as allies again. This song and dance seems to have gone in a full circle.

~Norbe~

[Dundee]

I'll reply to ETL as well.

I'm happy to discover that Math. As for your heroes, I don't know your PERSONAL heroes. I was referring more in the sense of alliance players
heroes..you know sc thor etc..the old TA, the guys who I pointed out earlier..

Perhaps one thing that you dont know, ETL, is that the players from the early who get the most praise and respect within TA are those that are still here, like Nox and O-Neill. Personally I think anyone who's only legacy is to cause what is basically a never-ending (or four years and still counting) conflict with other major alliances is not someone who I should be looking up to. I will generalise and say that the majority of newer TA players probably feel the same.

Oh and one more thing, lets not forget that the history between TA and EPA is interesting. In the early stages of the game TA and EPA were very closely related, infact before alliance tags came in we shared many members. The ties between TA and EPA were eventually cut (though TA were none the wiser at the time) and EPA caught us completely by suprise when they joined the GA, and subsequently fought against TA in the Faction War. Its interesting that TA and EPAs paths have crossed as allies again. This song and dance seems to have gone in a full circle.

~Norbe~

Indeed EPA's history is extremely complex, thanks largely to Wolf's penchant for diplomacy and Jase's penchant for war

I must agree with ETL on another point though, things would be much better if Wolf was back

[GrizzZzzly]

finally we're getting somewhere, Everyone seems to agree that Wolf needs to be back.

we need to contact the lazy bugger.

[SSG EnterTheLion]

I'll reply to ETL as well.

I'm happy to discover that Math. As for your heroes, I don't know your PERSONAL heroes. I was referring more in the sense of alliance players
heroes..you know sc thor etc..the old TA, the guys who I pointed out earlier..

Perhaps one thing that you dont know, ETL, is that the players from the early who get the most praise and respect within TA are those that are still here, like Nox and O-Neill. Personally I think anyone who's only legacy is to cause what is basically a never-ending (or four years and still counting) conflict with other major alliances is not someone who I should be looking up to. I will generalise and say that the majority of newer TA players probably feel the same.

Oh and one more thing, lets not forget that the history between TA and EPA is interesting. In the early stages of the game TA and EPA were very closely related, infact before alliance tags came in we shared many members. The ties between TA and EPA were eventually cut (though TA were none the wiser at the time) and EPA caught us completely by suprise when they joined the GA, and subsequently fought against TA in the Faction War. Its interesting that TA and EPAs paths have crossed as allies again. This song and dance seems to have gone in a full circle.

~Norbe~

I know about the history between the EPA/TA....in those days race specific alliances were 'the thing'..I'm not sure if I'm right, but I believe Omega were the first major non racial alliance. As for the EPA/TA ties being cut, I would place most of the blame on your old leaders. And yes I got along with Nox..used to talk to this guy in the TA..can't remember his name right now..he used to love quantum. We had some good fights and some good laughs.

As for the state of affairs since then..it's weird because after those guys jay, thor etc. left the TA, the TA was no longer a prioritised enemy. I don't think I have directly spoken to a leader of the current TA in 2 years I think. I remember Opticallove was a decent bloke to talk to. And for all we used to wind up ELUSIVE, we used to chat. I have been away alot for 2 years due to certain reasons, and in that time things have gotten more vicious.

[Mathlord]

Yeah, after you tried to extort one of our HC members, we didn't really feel all that chatty

[Lord-RahL]

My god I am so glad I got the hell out of this damn game.... All this he said she said **Filtered** is pathetic on both sides, who the hell really cares???

Just go out, play the game and have fun...



RahL

Leaving this post because
MLH

[Rocky]

rahl!, how are you?

you might have noticed Reborn has changed slightly

[Juliette]

*confounds the kids*
Up to this point all of you, except for ETL, fail to see that while generalising statements may feel insulting, they are not.

Saying that ducks have wings does not mean every duck has wings. It merely establishes a baseline from which individual ducks may or may not vary.

Generalising statements are recognised by the word "all" appearing, or no specification of individual objects being given. "All of Nemesis Sect are cheaters", is an accusation to every single individual in Nemesis Sect. "Nemesis Sect are cheaters", is a general statement that while it accuses Nemesis Sect, does not say anything about it's members other than that there is a representative number of cheaters among their ranks. While the alliance pride may have been dented, no individual accusation was made. And while it sucks to have your pride dented, it is nothing to go crazy about.

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Meh.. pearls to the swines. You wouldn't understand.

[Noobert]

This has to be the biggest hissy fit thread I have ever read in my whole time at SGW.

Now, usually I'd be all over this but I'm not going to make it worse. Jesus, calm down and take a deep breath some of you people.

Just because you hate somebody, and you use your reason for fighting this war as wanting to destroy him and Omega..you still don't need to act like tools.

Seriously.

[Mathlord]

Please, I'm simply responding to the same tripe I have to respond to during every accusation by ETL or Tekki or well insert the other people I usually end up talking to about this stuff. I don't stand for people insulting my alliance.

[SSG EnterTheLion]

Yeah, after you tried to extort one of our HC members, we didn't really feel all that chatty

lmao u lot still going on about the oneill..he knows very well we were joking with him because I sent him a message about it..but ofcourse anything for propaganda. I remember jake and me having a good laugh seeing how bothered he got. Seriously I didn't need to extort him..I could have raided him at any time and destroyed him at any time. If you really want to quibble, jay6669 used to actually extort officers and such and was reported to admin. And people will ask, who is jay? one of the leaders of your precious TA.

But as was mentioned above, this is a OE/EPA thread..so back on topic..

off for the night..

[Mathlord]

OMG not more talk about TA members who left over 3 and a half years ago Whatever will I do?

Oh and by the way, something tells me you demanding 7 mill uu in main (at the time a decent amount) or you mass him, he refusing, and you mass him is a serious extortion attempt. Or are you saying that if he paid up, you would have massed him anyway breaking your word?

But that's okay I get it, we're bug exploiters, your side are bug testers. We're cheaters, your side are falsely accused (even when accused by you yourself previously ). We're extorters, your side are only fooling around

God I love the hypocrisy.