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asgard would beat the wraith. they have 10 years of advancement on the ancients but not only that they can't raelly die as thor has shown us and there ships are very powerful they may only have a few but if they took 6 of them and systematically "cleansed" the pegasus galaxy the wraith would'nt have a snowballs chance in hell

~Ailm~ wrote:but Ori pwn asgard

Ori = Ancient

which means

ancient pwns asgard

and wriath pwn ancient

so wriath pwn asgard? =/



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OMG YOU INBLOCKED FOR A SPLIT SECOND

and your right wraith > goa'uld any day of the week....

-Ailm

Tollan pwned Goaulds, after Goaulds pwned Tollan...It is called evolution of technology.
Wraith had no real enemies in Pegasus: no improving tech.
Wraith had tech that protected them of Ancients. But they only knew them, so they fit their tech to them.
Dont you remember repli spiders that resisted to staff weapons etc...and few shots of P90 burninated them?
The best technology is not allways best choice, especially when you have an enemy who only knew advanced tech of one type: energy.
Same as repli spiders here, "primitive" weapons are devastating while super advanced ones fails miserably

Well finally the opposants of Goauld winning convinced me:
Hatak<Hive Ship= or <Apophis supermothership<Anubis supermothership
Apophis fleet>Wraith fleet>random Goauld fleet

Well if its evolution, tauri pwnd goolds, but tauri cant pwn wraith, therefor wraith pwn tauri.

TBH I dont think the tauri can ever beat the wraith anyway, ancients were just like super humans and they died, plus they have everything we got but better.

Then again I doubt they would of thought of simply beaming nukes on board the wraith ships

What i dont get is why they dont just beam the nukes next to them.. doesnt make sense

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I not blocketh you again ailm I simply went offline

__Apophis___ wrote:Well finally the opposants of Goauld winning convinced me:
Hatak<Hive Ship

All we wanted to hear BTW you spoke well in that last post of yours, it is all true

Triple ]-[ wrote:Well if its evolution, tauri pwnd goolds, but tauri cant pwn wraith, therefor wraith pwn tauri.

TBH I dont think the tauri can ever beat the wraith anyway, ancients were just like super humans and they died, plus they have everything we got but better.

Then again I doubt they would of thought of simply beaming nukes on board the wraith ships

What i dont get is why they dont just beam the nukes next to them.. doesnt make sense

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I not blocketh you again ailm I simply went offline

Hmmm remember P90 effects and zats on repli spiders..they evolved to resist to a primitive weapon. But with time. So nukes could pwn Hives as they enough powerful and primitive (both ofc as if only primitive well...lol).

Triple ]-[ wrote:

__Apophis___ wrote:Well finally the opposants of Goauld winning convinced me:
Hatak<Hive Ship

All we wanted to hear BTW you spoke well in that last post of yours, it is all true

tsk you missed a part:
Hatak<Hive Ship= or <Apophis supermothership<Anubis supermothership

and these are Goaulds' so the point is not Hataks would pwn hives only, it is Goaulds VS Wraith, including all their stuff

I never said one Ha'tak could pwn a Hive ship. But number of ha'taks.

ok, let's get over this one more time.

Ha'taks = Anubis's shields, based on Ancient Knowledge.

Why did the Wraith beat the ancients? Two reasons, the wraith were a bit more military minded AND the main reason was numbers. Now what happens when a race with better tech but also just (if not even alot more military minded) that can also match those numbers, even outnumber the wraith when it comes to Motherships attacks them?

Goa'ulds also have great scientists, making super-hosts, bio-weaons, super-motherships. Cloacked motherships, cloacked al'kesh. Etc etc. And they have Anubis.

Don't think so small.

P.S. Since when does size matter so much?

It is easier to hit a hive than a hatak, the shot will hvae more % of touching the target anyway

Kjarkur wrote:I never said one Ha'tak could pwn a Hive ship. But number of ha'taks.

ok, let's get over this one more time.

Ha'taks = Anubis's shields, based on Ancient Knowledge.

Why did the Wraith beat the ancients? Two reasons, the wraith were a bit more military minded AND the main reason was numbers. Now what happens when a race with better tech but also just (if not even alot more military minded) that can also match those numbers, even outnumber the wraith when it comes to Motherships attacks them?

Goa'ulds also have great scientists, making super-hosts, bio-weaons, super-motherships. Cloacked motherships, cloacked al'kesh. Etc etc. And they have Anubis.

Don't think so small.

P.S. Since when does size matter so much?

indeed cloaked alkesh could kill those who needs hataks when you have these bombers

wraith cant feed on kulls, either

Kjarkur wrote:I never said one Ha'tak could pwn a Hive ship. But number of ha'taks.

ok, let's get over this one more time.

Ha'taks = Anubis's shields, based on Ancient Knowledge.

Why did the Wraith beat the ancients? Two reasons, the wraith were a bit more military minded AND the main reason was numbers. Now what happens when a race with better tech but also just (if not even alot more military minded) that can also match those numbers, even outnumber the wraith when it comes to Motherships attacks them?

Goa'ulds also have great scientists, making super-hosts, bio-weaons, super-motherships. Cloacked motherships, cloacked al'kesh. Etc etc. And they have Anubis.

Don't think so small.

P.S. Since when does size matter so much?

Well you could say that, apart from 1 thing, the hattaks dont have anubis shields... Thats why they got killed in Camelot, while the asgard and tauri shields, also asgard, survived a few blasts.


And imho, I think the wraith outnuber the goold.

You never argued about an all out war.. if you do. Dont forget about the thousands of darts each hive carries, the number of cruisers there are. And that htere are over 60 hive ships altogether. Jus because the atlantis database said there were about 60 doesnt mean there were, there could be hundreds for all we know but theres 60 atleast.

And pls dont say "no coz 8 of them died". Because like 50hattaks have died lol.

And also dont forget, the wraith are mroe military minded than the goold.. The Goauld were never military minded, they just went and shot at their enemy direct on lol. The only clever one was anubis, and he didnt count.

Anything that anubis turned the goold into or upgraded their ships doesnt count

And as for alkesh shooting hives.. LMAO.. Do you think that the tiny alkesh can damage a hive? Hives are atleast 100x the size of an alkesh, literly.

Trying to shoot a hive with 30alkesh is quite impossible, since the alkesh dont have shields, you can check GateWorld on that too, they are shieldless.

Heres another thing too. A hiveship is close to the size of apophis's mothership, probably not a wide but a bit longer.

That mothership had weapons that could pierce a hattak's shields, the hive's have weapons as big as the ones on apophis's ship. So.. who sais that hives cant pierce hattak's shields straight off?

We know that daedalus class have 3x the power of hattaks shields alredy Since 1 ori blast took 1 hit to kill a hattak, and 3 to kill the korolev.

Goo™'s Goblin wrote:wraith cant feed on kulls, either

Kulls were soilders of anubis, which doesnt count since he was ascended. Simple as that.

+ having kulls wont do you much good in the middle of a spaec battle.

Ørici wrote:asgard would beat the wraith. they have 10 years of advancement on the ancients but not only that they can't raelly die as thor has shown us and there ships are very powerful they may only have a few but if they took 6 of them and systematically "cleansed" the pegasus galaxy the wraith would'nt have a snowballs chance in hell

10K years and they have barley scratched the surface on ancient knowledge, acording to their own testomony.

fact is people wraith > goa'uld....

if they goa'uld could defeat the ancients then it might be a different story but they cant....

so your argument is flawed...

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besides with the 60 hive thing...any one with an ounce of common sense would understand that they didnt defeat the ancients with 60 hives.......

-Ailm

No no even if Anubis doesnt count Goaulds>Wraith...why?
Because of...Apophis
Dont forget his Hataks had invisible tech, and if they are enough far of wraith radars, they can pwn them (remember in Allies when they watched the hive coming to Atlantis, the wraith didnt see them in their radars as they were too far ).
Invisible and not viewable on radars=untouchable...plus if tey move after they shot, wraith would shot where they saw the shot coming, but as hatak would have moved, it would do nothing.
And if Apophis ship comes..It would be total carnage on wraith