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BMMJ13 wrote:Beggar asking for change, we give them a quarter and they ask for more, saying they deserve more. After a while you just stop offering the quarter. Anyone who looks at TA and Omega knows who's winning this war, when you are ready to surrender, feel free to let us know.

We will not surrender and you guys know it. Anyone can look and not know who is winning the war, most of you guys seem to think you(TAF) brought down OE. Which is just funny, seeing as how people started leaving OE due to ingame or rl a year before this war started. You guys couldnt bring down OE in its prime, thats a fact.

And you guys are the beggars, asking and wanting more than what you guys should get. No alliance has gotten what they asked for. You guys are asking for what others have earned through short naps and getting to know each other.

I like said, no amount of naps or length of NAPs will take away the bad blood. You guys are just putting a blockage in the damm and waiting for all the pressure to keep building up til the blockage breaks.

Thats what you guys are asking for. This notion that you guys have that a long nap will solve the problem is laughable at the least.
You can reply back with some other crap, but in truth, you know I am right. Take a page out of TL's book and do something instead of just replacing the blockage with another one.


Fact is, The TAF HC want the war to keep going, when every other day, OE gets people from TAF asking when the war will end. You are keeping this war going for the few people who dont like OE.

Like i told math, soon in the future. TAF will start losing people due to TAF HC not ending the war with OE is giving the chance to end the war and try to build a new long lasting relationship.

But since TAF HC wont let that happen cause some dont like OE and want to keep fighting us.


You guys can say whatever you guys want and keep this war going. But you guys know as well as I do that OE will not stay down and TAF will not always be fine like they are right now.


Stop letting your hate control you and instead try something else that will last for a long time. Not have something in place of a temporary thing and not resolve anything.

We the Omegan Empire are willing to become friends with TAF, but not just to try to end the war with short term solution and we end up back where we left off.


Now you can take to heart what Im saying or you guys can reply with alot of crap and whatnot and not try to come up with a long lasting solution.


So say we all!!!

~Tziki~ wrote:OE have remaind statless for weeks, have become more and more inactive, more and more players have left. Why should TAF accept anything less than a long term NAP when if we continue there will be nothing left to have a NAP with?

NAP or no NAP either way works in our favor.

So figure out what works in your favor then come back to the TAF HC with a logical reason NOT to give us a long term NAP

Its this kind of crap talking from people that will keep this war going.

How many times have we tried to use short naps in the past to fix relationships with OE? Only so many times you can play the same tune before we realize it's always been **Filtered**, it will always be **Filtered**. As I said, it was your alliances leadership that led to the decline, your wars just provide the friction, either way OE are as close to dead as they have ever been. You are not in the position to negotiate, your "counter-offer" means that we wouldn't accept the original offer of ours even if you actually agreed to it.

im not hc, and have no influence on the diplomatic relations. But if OE refuse to surrender and give a long term nap. Then i have no problem continuing the war indefinatly and waiting for all OE members to quit / leave. You say the TAF HC will make members leave, your HC already has and in doing so has lost numerous sister/training alliances, so worry about your own alliance internal affairs and future survival perhaps?

BMMJ13 wrote:How many times have we tried to use short naps in the past to fix relationships with OE? Only so many times you can play the same tune before we realize it's always been **Filtered**, it will always be **Filtered**. As I said, it was your alliances leadership that led to the decline, your wars just provide the friction, either way OE are as close to dead as they have ever been. You are not in the position to negotiate, your "counter-offer" means that we wouldn't accept the original offer of ours even if you actually agreed to it.

How many times did the short term naps fail cause both sides wont try to make to steps to making a better relationship.

Now as leader of Omega, I am willing to change that and take steps to make a better and long lasting relationship. If TAF, doesnt want to take steps and try to make things better. Then truly it is sad that TAF dont want to make it better relationship.

Thats what you think about our leadership, but unless you have personally asked every member who left OE why they left. Then you have no grounds to talk about.

I am in a position to change things, but if TAF doesnt want to extend their hand and give it one last shot. Then keep this bad blood going and keep making this go on forever till the game ends either with wars or no wars between us.

~Tziki~ wrote:im not hc, and have no influence on the diplomatic relations. But if OE refuse to surrender and give a long term nap. Then i have no problem continuing the war indefinatly and waiting for all OE members to quit / leave. You say the TAF HC will make members leave, your HC already has and in doing so has lost numerous sister/training alliances, so worry about your own alliance internal affairs and future survival perhaps?

You are right, you are not TAF HC and have no influence.

You just someone who jumped in this war to get on the bandwagon of I helped brought down OE, when TAF wasnt even a major part of it.


Your post is just the kind of crap talking that will keep this war going. You can post something that you know about OE and our leadership or you can keep your thoughts on everything to yourself. There is no need to make things worse.

You had an option to try and settle it, you spit in our face with your counter offer. The longer this war goes on the higher our terms will be. Say what you want, we gave you a reasonable offer and you replied with **Filtered**.

see theirs just to much pride their imo. u want to be friends with us now.... when its to your advantage again... the only time you've ever wanted to be friends before was when their would be a benefit for you. i.e. helping kick rico's out of a house. you wanna be friends now because your kinda stuck in a corner. but it is thine pride that keeps us from responding kindly to that friendship. because we still don't even get a "friendly" "hey, you guys did a darn good job and kicked our tails. we may have lost a lot of members and their are multiple reasons behind our lack of activity/stats, but you guys did a good job of bringing us down atm" friends are honest with each other, so step 1 to friendship: lower your pride and honestly admit we've done a pretty good job at kickin your tails this war no matter what the outside circumstances were, who left, whatever. the truth is their were a lot of factors in OE's recent loss of members/inactivity/downfall whatever you want to call it. the truth also is that we've kicked your tail in this war because of that. atleast admit that, and then maybe things can change.
shortly: admit we kind of kicked your butts due to lots of reasons and maybe you can get a NAP

BMMJ13 wrote:You had an option to try and settle it, you spit in our face with your counter offer. The longer this war goes on the higher our terms will be. Say what you want, we gave you a reasonable offer and you replied with **Filtered**.

You and I both know your offer is only a short term solution.

I ask you, how long would it be before either side said frak the nap and started the war again cause of bad blood and **Filtered** talking to each other?

You know as well as I do it would only be a short while before it happened again.

Can you really say to yourself that this long NAP we want will be worth it or is it a short term solution while both sides want to talk crap to each other and try to start something between a few people or start another war?


You know that any NAP will not do us both any good, if we dont not try to start a new relationship and get to know each other.

You can say, we tried and it failed.

Well try again as there is new leadership in OE. You cant say it wont work when you have no idea how my leadership style is or anything.

The whole reason this war started, was because a NAP was not renewed by Omega and TAF members were massed over farming. You did not respect TAF enough to renew the NAP, knowing full well that if it wasn't we would end up where we are now. Your counter offer showed once again that you still do not respect TAF, hence your words are meaningless. You can spin it any way you want, that is exactly what it means.

doc holliday wrote:see theirs just to much pride their imo. u want to be friends with us now.... when its to your advantage again... the only time you've ever wanted to be friends before was when their would be a benefit for you. i.e. helping kick rico's out of a house. you wanna be friends now because your kinda stuck in a corner. but it is thine pride that keeps us from responding kindly to that friendship. because we still don't even get a "friendly" "hey, you guys did a darn good job and kicked our tails. we may have lost a lot of members and their are multiple reasons behind our lack of activity/stats, but you guys did a good job of bringing us down atm" friends are honest with each other, so step 1 to friendship: lower your pride and honestly admit we've done a pretty good job at kickin your tails this war no matter what the outside circumstances were, who left, whatever. the truth is their were a lot of factors in OE's recent loss of members/inactivity/downfall whatever you want to call it. the truth also is that we've kicked your tail in this war because of that. atleast admit that, and then maybe things can change.
shortly: admit we kind of kicked your butts due to lots of reasons and maybe you can get a NAP

How can we try to do that when at every attempt someone comes and talks crap about what we did.

Its not just our side that needs to be friendly, its your side too.

You say that we dont do it, Wheres that kind of friendly talk from your side as well???

You see, its not a one way street to what you are talking about. How many times have someone in OE massed members of TAF and then TAF come on this thread, posting about how we failed. When they can say "You guys did a nice job of attempting to mass me". But instead both sides are at fault of not being friendly. Yes there are some members in TAF that will say nice job or something. But can you really say that TAF has been friendly when OE masses?

BMMJ13 wrote:The whole reason this war started, was because a NAP was not renewed by Omega and TAF members were massed over farming. You did not respect TAF enough to renew the NAP, knowing full well that if it wasn't we would end up where we are now. Your counter offer showed once again that you still do not respect TAF, hence your words are meaningless. You can spin it any way you want, that is exactly what it means.

The farming was part of the reason. The main reason was Beli, massed a member of OE and hit PPT, when a few people from OE massed back, you guys declared war.

But it does not matter about why it got started.

You can say my words are meaningless. You say i am not respecting you guys. When I am, I am giving the chance to have a new better relationship under a newer alliance leadership.

Now if that is not respecting you guys, then I am sorry to say that your version of respect is different.

You are not even giving the new leadership a chance, for what? Cause of the last leadership before me.

Well I got news for you. At least im trying to make our relationship better, Can you say the same for the ones before me and the same for TAF?

Rudy Pena wrote:

doc holliday wrote:see theirs just to much pride their imo. u want to be friends with us now.... when its to your advantage again... the only time you've ever wanted to be friends before was when their would be a benefit for you. i.e. helping kick rico's out of a house. you wanna be friends now because your kinda stuck in a corner. but it is thine pride that keeps us from responding kindly to that friendship. because we still don't even get a "friendly" "hey, you guys did a darn good job and kicked our tails. we may have lost a lot of members and their are multiple reasons behind our lack of activity/stats, but you guys did a good job of bringing us down atm" friends are honest with each other, so step 1 to friendship: lower your pride and honestly admit we've done a pretty good job at kickin your tails this war no matter what the outside circumstances were, who left, whatever. the truth is their were a lot of factors in OE's recent loss of members/inactivity/downfall whatever you want to call it. the truth also is that we've kicked your tail in this war because of that. atleast admit that, and then maybe things can change.
shortly: admit we kind of kicked your butts due to lots of reasons and maybe you can get a NAP

How can we try to do that when at every attempt someone comes and talks crap about what we did.

Its not just our side that needs to be friendly, its your side too.

You say that we dont do it, Wheres that kind of friendly talk from your side as well???

You see, its not a one way street to what you are talking about. How many times have someone in OE massed members of TAF and then TAF come on this thread, posting about how we failed. When they can say "You guys did a nice job of attempting to mass me". But instead both sides are at fault of not being friendly. Yes there are some members in TAF that will say nice job or something. But can you really say that TAF has been friendly when OE masses?

BMMJ13 wrote:The whole reason this war started, was because a NAP was not renewed by Omega and TAF members were massed over farming. You did not respect TAF enough to renew the NAP, knowing full well that if it wasn't we would end up where we are now. Your counter offer showed once again that you still do not respect TAF, hence your words are meaningless. You can spin it any way you want, that is exactly what it means.

The farming was part of the reason. The main reason was Beli, massed a member of OE and hit PPT, when a few people from OE massed back, you guys declared war.

But it does not matter about why it got started.

You can say my words are meaningless. You say i am not respecting you guys. When I am, I am giving the chance to have a new better relationship under a newer alliance leadership.

Now if that is not respecting you guys, then I am sorry to say that your version of respect is different.

You are not even giving the new leadership a chance, for what? Cause of the last leadership before me.

Well I got news for you. At least im trying to make our relationship better, Can you say the same for the ones before me and the same for TAF?

I probably missed some info... but what new leadership are you talking about? taf or oe?....

Nikola Tesla wrote:

Rudy Pena wrote:

doc holliday wrote:see theirs just to much pride their imo. u want to be friends with us now.... when its to your advantage again... the only time you've ever wanted to be friends before was when their would be a benefit for you. i.e. helping kick rico's out of a house. you wanna be friends now because your kinda stuck in a corner. but it is thine pride that keeps us from responding kindly to that friendship. because we still don't even get a "friendly" "hey, you guys did a darn good job and kicked our tails. we may have lost a lot of members and their are multiple reasons behind our lack of activity/stats, but you guys did a good job of bringing us down atm" friends are honest with each other, so step 1 to friendship: lower your pride and honestly admit we've done a pretty good job at kickin your tails this war no matter what the outside circumstances were, who left, whatever. the truth is their were a lot of factors in OE's recent loss of members/inactivity/downfall whatever you want to call it. the truth also is that we've kicked your tail in this war because of that. atleast admit that, and then maybe things can change.
shortly: admit we kind of kicked your butts due to lots of reasons and maybe you can get a NAP

How can we try to do that when at every attempt someone comes and talks crap about what we did.

Its not just our side that needs to be friendly, its your side too.

You say that we dont do it, Wheres that kind of friendly talk from your side as well???

You see, its not a one way street to what you are talking about. How many times have someone in OE massed members of TAF and then TAF come on this thread, posting about how we failed. When they can say "You guys did a nice job of attempting to mass me". But instead both sides are at fault of not being friendly. Yes there are some members in TAF that will say nice job or something. But can you really say that TAF has been friendly when OE masses?

BMMJ13 wrote:The whole reason this war started, was because a NAP was not renewed by Omega and TAF members were massed over farming. You did not respect TAF enough to renew the NAP, knowing full well that if it wasn't we would end up where we are now. Your counter offer showed once again that you still do not respect TAF, hence your words are meaningless. You can spin it any way you want, that is exactly what it means.

The farming was part of the reason. The main reason was Beli, massed a member of OE and hit PPT, when a few people from OE massed back, you guys declared war.

But it does not matter about why it got started.

You can say my words are meaningless. You say i am not respecting you guys. When I am, I am giving the chance to have a new better relationship under a newer alliance leadership.

Now if that is not respecting you guys, then I am sorry to say that your version of respect is different.

You are not even giving the new leadership a chance, for what? Cause of the last leadership before me.

Well I got news for you. At least im trying to make our relationship better, Can you say the same for the ones before me and the same for TAF?

I probably missed some info... but what new leadership are you talking about? taf or oe?....

OE, I am now the leader of Omega, with Lord RahL as my 2IC and LewtenAnt as the leader of Alpha.

i am glad you are trying to give it a chance but we are still at war with the Omegan Empire. which is ran by the "emperor" ETL. if he can lower his pride a few notches and say something like hey u guys did a good job beating us in this war and I'm sorry for my 7 year history of war crimes, that'd be a step towards peace my problem goes all the way to the top. We are after EtL, he's like Gadhaffi, and trust me we are not no French airforce droppin concrete bombs. the sooner you stop letting him hide behind y'all, the sooner we are friends

OE, I am now the leader of Omega, with Lord RahL as my 2IC and LewtenAnt as the leader of Alpha.

congrats on the new job guys and good luck.

p.s. is this friendly e naught?