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yes afterall this is just a game but i think credit should be given when due and TAF are due credit for the way they have fought in this war. Just see sense OE and admit you have been beaten this time, we will all have more respect for you.

As for the NAP's with DDE and Mayhem yes they work and im starting to like DDE more now that when i did when we had a war with them last year, they aint that bad

Black wolf 1 wrote:yes afterall this is just a game but i think credit should be given when due and TAF are due credit for the way they have fought in this war. Just see sense OE and admit you have been beaten this time, we will all have more respect for you.

As for the NAP's with DDE and Mayhem yes they work and im starting to like DDE more now that when i did when we had a war with them last year, they aint that bad

dont' say that or they might break the nap and mass us to show us they like being bad

Black wolf 1 wrote:yes afterall this is just a game but i think credit should be given when due and TAF are due credit for the way they have fought in this war. Just see sense OE and admit you have been beaten this time, we will all have more respect for you.

As for the NAP's with DDE and Mayhem yes they work and im starting to like DDE more now that when i did when we had a war with them last year, they aint that bad

I am giving TAF there due credit by trying to end the war with a 5 month long nap and a bit more than that.

Where as Math, just wants a NAP and thats all...at least what he kept saying to me on msn.

Well Rudy ive seen a difference in you already adleast we can talk with out slagging eachother off adleast thats one step forward

due credit is admitting we've won this war. that's where credit is due. that is where humility begins. where humility begins, friendship begins.

Beli wasn't the only one who talked crap but that's neither here nor there.

Rudy Pena wrote:I am not saying that we are not accepting that we cant bring down all the defs.

This sentiment is what we're looking for. OE must find it within themselves to admit that this time, they have been defeated. TAF had to do the same thing in the past once upon a time when fighting Omega and the Grand Alliance. It's not a knock on the alliance to be gracious in defeat. That is a good thing and allows the alliance time to grow and get stronger once again.

Show that humility and your terms interest me and I reckon quite a few TAF HC members.

lol doc

Someone left Rudy in charge... ... ...

~Norbe~

Mathlord wrote:Beli wasn't the only one who talked crap but that's neither here nor there.

Rudy Pena wrote:I am not saying that we are not accepting that we cant bring down all the defs.

This sentiment is what we're looking for. OE must find it within themselves to admit that this time, they have been defeated. TAF had to do the same thing in the past once upon a time when fighting Omega and the Grand Alliance. It's not a knock on the alliance to be gracious in defeat. That is a good thing and allows the alliance time to grow and get stronger once again.

Show that humility and your terms interest me and I reckon quite a few TAF HC members.

O.o your diplomacy impresses me math If i were Rudy i couldnt have asked for a better offer.

norbe be nice! hes actually being tidy on the forums and looks like he could be admitting that TAF have defeated OE.
Everyone tastes defeat at some point in their lives, its the way you react to defeat that is important

Black wolf 1 wrote:Well Rudy ive seen a difference in you already adleast we can talk with out slagging eachother off adleast thats one step forward

lol I am always easy to talk to. Just got to talk to me the right way. Talk crap, i will talk crap back. Be nice, I will be nice.

But mess with me and you wont like what I do. lol


@Doc, This whole notion that TAF has that TAF put OE in the state we are now. Which is very wrong, when they were a small part of it.

Members of OE left the game after certain game updates, some left OE to go do other things in the game. Some left OE and/or went into vac mode due to real life. Some left due to the wars going on back to back.

So long as TAF thinks they were the sole purpose of the way OE is now, is laughable at best. Thats what I have a problem with and people in TAF think TAF is what did OE in. Until they can admit that TAF had a small part of it, then I will let them know that yes they did.

But as long as they think TAF did it all by themself, I will not admit to anything. For TAF is not the main or the sole reason why OE is in its current state.

Mathlord wrote:Beli wasn't the only one who talked crap but that's neither here nor there.

Rudy Pena wrote:I am not saying that we are not accepting that we cant bring down all the defs.

This sentiment is what we're looking for. OE must find it within themselves to admit that this time, they have been defeated. TAF had to do the same thing in the past once upon a time when fighting Omega and the Grand Alliance. It's not a knock on the alliance to be gracious in defeat. That is a good thing and allows the alliance time to grow and get stronger once again.

Show that humility and your terms interest me and I reckon quite a few TAF HC members.

I have already shown you some humility.


@Norbe, that kind of post is only going to make things worse. Please keep quite or post something that will help out the problem, not prolong it.

If you have something bad to say to me, do it on msn or ingame or PMs.

Rudy Pena wrote:

Black wolf 1 wrote:Well Rudy ive seen a difference in you already adleast we can talk with out slagging eachother off adleast thats one step forward

lol I am always easy to talk to. Just got to talk to me the right way. Talk crap, i will talk crap back. Be nice, I will be nice.

But mess with me and you wont like what I do. lol


@Doc, This whole notion that TAF has that TAF put OE in the state we are now. Which is very wrong, when they were a small part of it.

Members of OE left the game after certain game updates, some left OE to go do other things in the game. Some left OE and/or went into vac mode due to real life. Some left due to the wars going on back to back.

So long as TAF thinks they were the sole purpose of the way OE is now, is laughable at best. Thats what I have a problem with and people in TAF think TAF is what did OE in. Until they can admit that TAF had a small part of it, then I will let them know that yes they did.

But as long as they think TAF did it all by themself, I will not admit to anything. For TAF is not the main or the sole reason why OE is in its current state.

i think you misunderstand. it is not the notion that TAF caused the loss of all your members, or the destruction of all your empire. Only that during this war TAF have bested you this time and caused the majority of those remaining to become inactive / statless. Ofcourse their are many other factors involved in OE's overall downfall, but their current state is a result of TAF's persistentness.

Of course we aren't the only reason you are in this situation haha. People always leave the game and there are always outside circumstances. I'd personally wager we played a good part in things, but that's beside the point. That's not what I'm after. What I want is for you to admit that, in this war, at this time, with these conditions, OE was defeated. That's all.

Rudy Pena wrote:

Black wolf 1 wrote:Well Rudy ive seen a difference in you already adleast we can talk with out slagging eachother off adleast thats one step forward

lol I am always easy to talk to. Just got to talk to me the right way. Talk crap, i will talk crap back. Be nice, I will be nice.

But mess with me and you wont like what I do. lol


@Doc, This whole notion that TAF has that TAF put OE in the state we are now. Which is very wrong, when they were a small part of it.

Members of OE left the game after certain game updates, some left OE to go do other things in the game. Some left OE and/or went into vac mode due to real life. Some left due to the wars going on back to back.

So long as TAF thinks they were the sole purpose of the way OE is now, is laughable at best. Thats what I have a problem with and people in TAF think TAF is what did OE in. Until they can admit that TAF had a small part of it, then I will let them know that yes they did.

But as long as they think TAF did it all by themself, I will not admit to anything. For TAF is not the main or the sole reason why OE is in its current state.

quantum state of the particle is undetermined until observed, and observation effects it's state in itself. or something like this is known in physics.

due to the fact that omega is alliance in the game and so is TAF and there are other alliances and players in this game. and other than this game there is RL life, it is impossible for TAF or any other alliance to do anything without it being effecting by the game itself or RL of TAf players or other players. i guess a good word to describe this is ecosystem while you are in ecosystem you can't be observed out of it. so yes TAF was not only reason. but when war started OE was much stronger now it's much weaker. conclusion during the war with TAF, OE became weaker, another conlusion. TAF made OE weaker. the end of my personal logic and how I see it.