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Re: Crazy Cost of Next Additional Fleet
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:50 am
by Raven
TheRook wrote:now I see your point with making a defence above 10 trill... thats a great idea...
now I have 200mill network defenders... (1/3rd of my 3 bill total planets)
I've got my defence level to 800 (a long and slow process)
I'm at about half of your recommended defence to stop farming/sniping
now tell me this how am I supposed to stop Nightmare (possibly spelt Knightmare) from TLE with his 12 quint strike?
Do you recommend I throw another 1/3rd of my planets into defence?
I know thats rediculous... I'm upset about having 1/3rd in there... I have no way of upping my defence futher without obscene amounts of DMU...
I'm in no way small I'm about average armysize on ascended but for me to stop certain people with 1100 attack and 100mill network strike troops is near as damnit impossible...
That is the problem... in main if someone builds a massive strike and masses you you can sab their weapons... on ascended you can destroy military but when they make 150mill+ planets a day compared to my 30 mill for being over 2 bill what am I supposed to do about that?
the cap needs to go... entirely... the 5x's armysize attacking limit can stay for all I care... and the 130% strike bonus also needs to go...
the strike bonus and growth cap is whats causing 90% of most problems in my opinion...
if I could grow at my full rate I'd have no problem "wasting" more planets in defence as I'll be able to recover them/grow quicker...
right now its just the sniper accounts recover/grow 4-5x's quicker than those that play ascended "full time"
TheRook
You do have some valid points and i agree to a certain lvl that some things need a change.
But regarding to Couzens [Knightmare] hes farming with a big strike but he cant afford that strike continuesly, whenever he gets assasinated hes outta the running for a while.
An even easier method of dealing with couzens is join Delta they seem to accept just about everyone these days so that shouldnt be a problem
Re: Crazy Cost of Next Additional Fleet
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:56 am
by Borek
truth is everyone's ideas about Ascended got turned upside down when we had the "big change" last year, when we had raiding the game was stagnating because even if someone managed to mass out one of the big accounts they couldn't hold onto the planets they stole for very long.
Of course Fremen will always be held up as someone that the big accounts hate and various accusations will probably always be made about him, but the bottom line is he saw how the changes could work to his advantage and over time he has managed his account very impressively. I don't think it's fair to complain too much about him because at the end of the day he has put in a lot of effort to get his account where it is.
Another point i would make is some of the big accounts who are complaining about him have sold a lot of DMU in the past, perhaps if you guys n gals hadn't sold so much DMU in the past you wouldn't be struggling to hold onto your DMU now?
I'm not pointing any fingers, but the facts speak for themselves, Fremen has done an amazing job playing the game over the last 8-9 months, now people may not like his play style, but you have to admit his account is amazing and he has raised the bar masively when it comes to the stats people need to keep their DMU.
Re: Crazy Cost of Next Additional Fleet
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:14 am
by TheRook
Borek wrote:I'm not pointing any fingers, but the facts speak for themselves, Fremen has done an amazing job playing the game over the last 8-9 months, now people may not like his play style, but you have to admit his account is amazing and he has raised the bar masively when it comes to the stats people need to keep their DMU.
he hasn't done an amazing job in the slightest...
ANYONE... anyone can do exactly what he has done now... it hardly takes much skill...
now the people who first started on ascension and built up in the early days they used skill... they played the game well...
nowadays its just become a sniper account for a month then hopefully it will die down then carry on playing...
Re: Crazy Cost of Next Additional Fleet
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:22 am
by Borek
TheRook wrote:Borek wrote:I'm not pointing any fingers, but the facts speak for themselves, Fremen has done an amazing job playing the game over the last 8-9 months, now people may not like his play style, but you have to admit his account is amazing and he has raised the bar masively when it comes to the stats people need to keep their DMU.
he hasn't done an amazing job in the slightest...
ANYONE... anyone can do exactly what he has done now... it hardly takes much skill...
now the people who first started on ascension and built up in the early days they used skill... they played the game well...
nowadays its just become a sniper account for a month then hopefully it will die down then carry on playing...
And yet no one else has done it, so i would have to say you're incorrect.
Re: Crazy Cost of Next Additional Fleet
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:43 am
by TheRook
Borek wrote:And yet no one else has done it, so i would have to say you're incorrect.
I'm afraid to say there have been many snipers before and after freeman...
I guess you haven't been on the wrong end of the stick...
I have been hit by at least 5 seperate snipers and Freeman is/was one of them but others got their long before him...
TheRook
also to point out nobody else whos done it...
*cough*chargin*cough*
Re: Crazy Cost of Next Additional Fleet
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:01 am
by Borek
wow, hit by a whole 5 players, i guess they must have missed that memo that went out about not being allowed to attack the Mighty Rook. And i am congratulating Fremen because unlike most of the other snipers he doesn't give up after a few massings and lie low, he keeps coming back for more.
Bottom line is he's just playing the game, you leave out DMU, he takes it if he can, you pummel him for it, he recovers faster than you. You can blame the game mechanics if you want, but the basic problem is you leave out a lot of DMU and get farmed *shrugs*
Re: Crazy Cost of Next Additional Fleet
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:21 am
by GunZ
Raven wrote:[
An even easier method of dealing with couzens is join Delta they seem to accept just about everyone these days so that shouldnt be a problem
Ummm...not true . For example would not take you
Re: Crazy Cost of Next Additional Fleet
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:37 am
by Raven
GunZ wrote:Raven wrote:[
An even easier method of dealing with couzens is join Delta they seem to accept just about everyone these days so that shouldnt be a problem
Ummm...not true . For example would not take you
1.I come from TL why would i downgrade mysel to Delta
2.I dont wanna be Napped with half the game
3.I dont wanna be part of a sec class 'im part of omegan empire' alliance
4.I dont wanna be part of Omega Empire
5.There are hundred more alliances like Delta out there maybe even some with more noobs
No need to go on i think
Btw High empty i think your CER is at full strenght again
no need for any presents or gifts its done with love
Re: Crazy Cost of Next Additional Fleet
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:37 am
by TheRook
Borek wrote:wow, hit by a whole 5 players, i guess they must have missed that memo that went out about not being allowed to attack the Mighty Rook. And i am congratulating Fremen because unlike most of the other snipers he doesn't give up after a few massings and lie low, he keeps coming back for more.
Bottom line is he's just playing the game, you leave out DMU, he takes it if he can, you pummel him for it, he recovers faster than you. You can blame the game mechanics if you want, but the basic problem is you leave out a lot of DMU and get farmed *shrugs*
yea 40 trill DMU is such a huge amount and 5 SNIPER accounts... I'm not counting actual players... as I can do something about them and they will suffer for it but sniper accounts they dont give a damn...
TheRook
p.s. who are you in game?
Re: Crazy Cost of Next Additional Fleet
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:49 am
by Borek
Same name as on the forums, you can't have looked very hard. people farm me for low DMU hits too, i have the same choices as you, hit back or don't. Difference is i'm not whining about it and/or expecting the game to be changed just because i got hit.
Re: Crazy Cost of Next Additional Fleet
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:52 am
by cyberblade
TheRook wrote:Borek wrote:wow, hit by a whole 5 players, i guess they must have missed that memo that went out about not being allowed to attack the Mighty Rook. And i am congratulating Fremen because unlike most of the other snipers he doesn't give up after a few massings and lie low, he keeps coming back for more.
Bottom line is he's just playing the game, you leave out DMU, he takes it if he can, you pummel him for it, he recovers faster than you. You can blame the game mechanics if you want, but the basic problem is you leave out a lot of DMU and get farmed *shrugs*
yea 40 trill DMU is such a huge amount and 5 SNIPER accounts... I'm not counting actual players... as I can do something about them and they will suffer for it but sniper accounts they dont give a damn...
TheRook
p.s. who are you in game?
Hey, it might not be a huge amount-but I hit for less-on a regular basis I might add. I guess I'm just not big enough to afford those huge strikes... but I get by...
Re: Crazy Cost of Next Additional Fleet
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:57 am
by Borek
yeah cyberblade i know you do, in fact you hit me last night and i strongly advise you to contact me to pay it back otherwise i will start farming your alliance in main to pay for it.
Re: Crazy Cost of Next Additional Fleet
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:05 am
by cyberblade
Borek wrote:yeah cyberblade i know you do, in fact you hit me last night and i strongly advise you to contact me to pay it back otherwise i will start farming your alliance in main to pay for it.
Hey-I accepted what you said in your PM. Don't go changing things after the fact...
btw-46 tril with 712 tril def? You were going to lose it anyways. (simple fact that can be confirmed by many, in no way a threat).
Re: Crazy Cost of Next Additional Fleet
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:12 am
by Borek
I have had no reply to my PM, no peace setting, nothing, and infact your realm name says you don't read PM's. Until now i had no idea you had even read it. But you know what, i need to expand my farm list in main...now who shall i pick...hmm...After all there are plenty of 200 bill defenses i see with enough naq to make profitable hits every 2-3 turns...
Re: Crazy Cost of Next Additional Fleet
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:55 am
by ~The Fallen~
i have a 1.3quad def.. and i get hit for 8trill.. and your complaining about losing 43trill? hahaha... funny guy you are.. maybe build a bigger def?