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APADAMEK! wrote:Stupidest thing i've heard in a while. Clearly you've never visited Tibet.

What gave you the impression that your opinion counted for anything? Go back to your play pen.

Nuto vixen wrote:

APADAMEK! wrote:Stupidest thing i've heard in a while. Clearly you've never visited Tibet.

What gave you the impression that your opinion counted for anything? Go back to your play pen.

The fact that before i go calling countries "Plagued with injustice and internal warring" i actually learn a tiny bit about them. Man i don't even know why i bother, you never learn. You make being an uniformed fool, an art.

May those who fell in the service of their country be always remembered. RIP to the fallen ANZACs.

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As for Tibet, we are talking about the country which was overrun by invading Chinese forces, right? While I disagree with the instantly confrontational attitude that pervades from both of you, I side with Appy on the issue. There is more to Tibet than the Chinese want you to see.

Phoenix of Terra wrote:May those who fell in the service of their country be always remembered. RIP to the fallen ANZACs.

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As for Tibet, we are talking about the country which was overrun by invading Chinese forces, right? While I disagree with the instantly confrontational attitude that pervades from both of you, I side with Appy on the issue. There is more to Tibet than the Chinese want you to see.

What did you think I meant when Imentioned Tibet?

I have a good friend who has just returned from there, and it's almost illegal to speak the word "dala lama".


The people have been stripped of everything they once were because China decided to swallow them one day. And yet.. we sit around talking about what a great shame it is, but doing very little about it.

That is what I was talking about, the chinese government's actions, not the Tibetans.

Nuto vixen wrote:

Phoenix of Terra wrote:May those who fell in the service of their country be always remembered. RIP to the fallen ANZACs.

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As for Tibet, we are talking about the country which was overrun by invading Chinese forces, right? While I disagree with the instantly confrontational attitude that pervades from both of you, I side with Appy on the issue. There is more to Tibet than the Chinese want you to see.

What did you think I meant when Imentioned Tibet?

I have a good friend who has just returned from there, and it's almost illegal to speak the word "dala lama".


The people have been stripped of everything they once were because China decided to swallow them one day. And yet.. we sit around talking about what a great shame it is, but doing very little about it.

That is what I was talking about, the chinese government's actions, not the Tibetans.

So their not allowed to talk about a dictator who was chosen from birth from a highly select powerful elite class. Just because he's old and peace loving doesn't make him any less of one.

The chinese have made the region half decent, when i first visited four years ago they were marveling over the fact that buildings could have flushing toilet, though the common person still was stuck with the traditional pit.

Tibet is a far safer place, there is barely any crime of any sort. Harsh as the law is in China (tibet is no longer a sovereign nation) it keeps it safe for Tourists which is pretty much their only income.

But of course they were better off with their free society where they elected their leaders (lie) where they had a beautiful society (where there was barely any modern medicine, technology of really any sort).

I know im a few days late, Sorry.

Lest We Forget. The ANZAC troops past and present, have my deepest respect. Thankyou for doing your part to make this world what it is.

APADAMEK! wrote:

Nuto vixen wrote:

Phoenix of Terra wrote:May those who fell in the service of their country be always remembered. RIP to the fallen ANZACs.

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As for Tibet, we are talking about the country which was overrun by invading Chinese forces, right? While I disagree with the instantly confrontational attitude that pervades from both of you, I side with Appy on the issue. There is more to Tibet than the Chinese want you to see.

What did you think I meant when Imentioned Tibet?

I have a good friend who has just returned from there, and it's almost illegal to speak the word "dala lama".


The people have been stripped of everything they once were because China decided to swallow them one day. And yet.. we sit around talking about what a great shame it is, but doing very little about it.

That is what I was talking about, the chinese government's actions, not the Tibetans.

So their not allowed to talk about a dictator who was chosen from birth from a highly select powerful elite class. Just because he's old and peace loving doesn't make him any less of one.

The chinese have made the region half decent, when i first visited four years ago they were marveling over the fact that buildings could have flushing toilet, though the common person still was stuck with the traditional pit.

Tibet is a far safer place, there is barely any crime of any sort. Harsh as the law is in China (tibet is no longer a sovereign nation) it keeps it safe for Tourists which is pretty much their only income.

But of course they were better off with their free society where they elected their leaders (lie) where they had a beautiful society (where there was barely any modern medicine, technology of really any sort).

do you honestly believe that, because thats completely wrong. How can you even suggest that it's benefiting the tibetans when the guards kill Tibetans trying to flee, taking away free will. No offence but i'd rather refrain from being able to flush a toilet for a while than losing free will. Also the chinese aren't trying to improve Tibet, they're trying to force them into communism, a bit surprised you didn't know that.
Oh and that bit about Tibet being far safer than it was before, that was funny reading that.

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Rest in peace to those Anzacs

GrizzZzzly wrote:do you honestly believe that, because thats completely wrong.

Don't bother reading the dribble of this child GrizzZzzly, he's not old enough to know right from wrong yet.

Thank you for your intelligent input

GrizzZzzly wrote:

APADAMEK! wrote:

Nuto vixen wrote:

Phoenix of Terra wrote:May those who fell in the service of their country be always remembered. RIP to the fallen ANZACs.

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As for Tibet, we are talking about the country which was overrun by invading Chinese forces, right? While I disagree with the instantly confrontational attitude that pervades from both of you, I side with Appy on the issue. There is more to Tibet than the Chinese want you to see.

What did you think I meant when Imentioned Tibet?

I have a good friend who has just returned from there, and it's almost illegal to speak the word "dala lama".


The people have been stripped of everything they once were because China decided to swallow them one day. And yet.. we sit around talking about what a great shame it is, but doing very little about it.

That is what I was talking about, the chinese government's actions, not the Tibetans.

So their not allowed to talk about a dictator who was chosen from birth from a highly select powerful elite class. Just because he's old and peace loving doesn't make him any less of one.

The chinese have made the region half decent, when i first visited four years ago they were marveling over the fact that buildings could have flushing toilet, though the common person still was stuck with the traditional pit.

Tibet is a far safer place, there is barely any crime of any sort. Harsh as the law is in China (tibet is no longer a sovereign nation) it keeps it safe for Tourists which is pretty much their only income.

But of course they were better off with their free society where they elected their leaders (lie) where they had a beautiful society (where there was barely any modern medicine, technology of really any sort).

do you honestly believe that, because thats completely wrong. How can you even suggest that it's benefiting the tibetans when the guards kill Tibetans trying to flee, taking away free will. No offence but i'd rather refrain from being able to flush a toilet for a while than losing free will. Also the chinese aren't trying to improve Tibet, they're trying to force them into communism, a bit surprised you didn't know that.
Oh and that bit about Tibet being far safer than it was before, that was funny reading that.

They never had free will, any Tibetan who disagreed with the Dalia Llama's divine right to rule was i believe (correct me please) executed by the government or at the very least imprisoned. The Llama's squandered what little money the country ever had on making the temples pretty, smart in my opinion as temples is the only thing that would cause tourists to visit. But then they just kept squandering, they refused to modernize their nation. Tibetan's are not shot trying to flee, their is no Tibet/China border to flee from, its one nation. China is doing both, they are improving Tibet and forcing them into communism, not a single bit of difference from the tyranny they were under before, uninformed idiots made it a bigger deal then it was.

Before China took over Tibet was a dangerous, poverty stricken, isolated nation. People risked many things including Death, Scamming, robbery. When china took over they swamped the area with undercover police, A: to catch these criminals and bring income to the area and B: keep an eye on the tourists who are there.

Tibet is only on a "do not visit" list because anyone who goes there to protest China will be arrested. Not fair sure; but its an extremely volatile area and your trying to cause riots and revolution.

"Those who have long enjoyed such privileges as we enjoy forget in time that
men have died to win them."
- Franklin D. Roosevelt

APADAMEK! wrote:

Nuto vixen wrote:

Phoenix of Terra wrote:May those who fell in the service of their country be always remembered. RIP to the fallen ANZACs.

***


As for Tibet, we are talking about the country which was overrun by invading Chinese forces, right? While I disagree with the instantly confrontational attitude that pervades from both of you, I side with Appy on the issue. There is more to Tibet than the Chinese want you to see.

What did you think I meant when Imentioned Tibet?

I have a good friend who has just returned from there, and it's almost illegal to speak the word "dala lama".


The people have been stripped of everything they once were because China decided to swallow them one day. And yet.. we sit around talking about what a great shame it is, but doing very little about it.

That is what I was talking about, the chinese government's actions, not the Tibetans.

So their not allowed to talk about a dictator who was chosen from birth from a highly select powerful elite class. Just because he's old and peace loving doesn't make him any less of one.

The chinese have made the region half decent, when i first visited four years ago they were marveling over the fact that buildings could have flushing toilet, though the common person still was stuck with the traditional pit.

Tibet is a far safer place, there is barely any crime of any sort. Harsh as the law is in China (tibet is no longer a sovereign nation) it keeps it safe for Tourists which is pretty much their only income.

But of course they were better off with their free society where they elected their leaders (lie) where they had a beautiful society (where there was barely any modern medicine, technology of really any sort).

Have you ever heard the saying, 'the best kind of leadership is a benevolent dictator'?.

While it may not seem right to us that they would choose to live without toilets, and technology, for them its their way of life which they have been brought up in. It is so ingrained in their culture that they *want* to live under the dale lama.

Cant you just respect peoples wishes instead of assuming that the way you live, the way you view as the best way to live, is the only way?

Now GET OUT OF THIS THREAD. This is NOT the place to discuss tibet, make another topic if you will, but do NOT do it were we are meant to be remembering ANZAC.

-Goodie ~ Lest we forget

I like to write in the country away from distractions and so often find myself on road trips, the latest taking place during the ANZAC long weekend. Was surprised that there was a full on dawn Service in a small country town which has a shrine seen below (Pic was taken on an earlier visit, didn't bring my camera this time around):


The Local Horse Races were also held that day so the Vigilantes were there in force as they were sponsoring the Two-Up and the after party. But in the morning, seeing over a hundred of them standing in dead silence paying their respects with the rest of the townspeople was truly an awe inspiring moment. That the respect and recognition for the ANZAC's sacrifice can humble people from all fields of life makes you proud to be Australian and that common decency still holds sway here despite the madness of a self indulgent world that have never had to know such terrors as the early to mid 20th century tyrants and dictators.

Adversity makes a person, it changes them and our generation has thankfully been able to live without it for the most part. We sleep at night without the nightmares of war, without lifelong regrets and what if scenarios that haunt your every waking moment and without the sheer scale of human suffering and loss stalking your conscience with all the empty seats around you a constant reminder of those who never came back. Yet, our freedom and lifestyle paid in the blood of heroes and Martyrs is squandered away and most prevalent on the shameful attitudes on the net.

And APADAMEK!, I'm not surprised to see such behaviour from a spoilt young child without any sort of true life experience. You prefer to show off your family's wealth in a multitude of threads, thinking it makes your opinion somehow more important or 'valued' then anyone else’s. Experience is the truest teacher and to see you come in here and spout that rubbish is truly disheartening.

I'm going to agree with Nuto, Goodie, ETL and the others and say:

Go back to reading the interwebz from the safety and comfort of your chair and come back when you know what true hardship and sacrifice is on a personal level instead of taking it all for granted and making such vast and inaccurate moral and social judgement calls on an entire people under an opressive foreign regime.

<3 Severian

-Goodie ~ Lest we forget

Severian wrote:I like to write in the country away from distractions and so often find myself on road trips, the latest taking place during the ANZAC long weekend. Was surprised that there was a full on dawn Service in a small country town which has a shrine seen below (Pic was taken on an earlier visit, didn't bring my camera this time around):


The Local Horse Races were also held that day so the Vigilantes were there in force as they were sponsoring the Two-Up and the after party. But in the morning, seeing over a hundred of them standing in dead silence paying their respects with the rest of the townspeople was truly an awe inspiring moment. That the respect and recognition for the ANZAC's sacrifice can humble people from all fields of life makes you proud to be Australian and that common decency still holds sway here despite the madness of a self indulgent world that have never had to know such terrors as the early to mid 20th century tyrants and dictators.

Adversity makes a person, it changes them and our generation has thankfully been able to live without it for the most part. We sleep at night without the nightmares of war, without lifelong regrets and what if scenarios that haunt your every waking moment and without the sheer scale of human suffering and loss stalking your conscience with all the empty seats around you a constant reminder of those who never came back. Yet, our freedom and lifestyle paid in the blood of heroes and Martyrs is squandered away and most prevalent on the shameful attitudes on the net.

And APADAMEK!, I'm not surprised to see such behaviour from a spoilt young child without any sort of true life experience. You prefer to show off your family's wealth in a multitude of threads, thinking it makes your opinion somehow more important or 'valued' then anyone else’s. Experience is the truest teacher and to see you come in here and spout that rubbish is truly disheartening.

I'm going to agree with Nuto, Goodie, ETL and the others and say:

Go back to reading the interwebz from the safety and comfort of your chair and come back when you know what true hardship and sacrifice is on a personal level instead of taking it all for granted and making such vast and inaccurate moral and social judgement calls on an entire people under an opressive foreign regime.

One of the best posts I've read to date.

Thank you for your great words. We are indeed a lucky country.

Lest we forget.

These people served in the great wars of the 20th Century for Queen, family, friends and country, Severians post and those before him have great weight in demonstrating that, but stand idle and insignificant in face of the magnitude by which such veterans are celebrated, remembered and mourned around the globe year by year.

I think there is nothing even I could muster to say worthy enough of such men and women from those days long past, that is not constantly echoed throughout time in the wake of their sacrifice and efforts.

As for the situation in Tibet, well I know nothing of it at the moment, nor do I concern myself with it. One finds the outside world more and more distant during the summer exam season. Although I admit some interest as to how it arose in a thread regarding the ANZACs.....