unfair ? why dont you dicide

[JediMasterX]

It took me 5 months to go from less than 40 mil total planets to the 3.4 bil planets I have today. I've only bought DMU twice. Without the caps, I could be bigger. Honestly I see no reason why these caps are needed. If I can do it I see no reason why anyone else can't do it or grow faster than that. You can't even hit the new people due to the 10% of the army size thing anyways. That alone should be enough.

[Mystake]

the 5:1 thing is silly too. New players starting on the server cannot get big. They can't buy DMU, and APP does little or nothing nowadays. They cant even farm the ppl with decent amount of dmu out..

like you wouldn't even know.

[Borek]

Ascended isn't hard in the slighest chargin, it's just insanely boring. I was without an alliance until march this year and i never had any problems with anyone. The problem is the game changed and most of the players kept trying the old tactics, it's the ones who adapted who did very well out of ascended and that is mainly because they bought some DMU early on to get into a position to be able to farm.

And Jim the raiding limit is irrelevant to the cost of AT's, reason the cost keeps going up is simply because naq is much easier to get. Even if raiding was completely removed the price would still go up because people need to farm and mass and there just aren't enough AT's generated naturally to play the game as most people want.

As it stands i can make enough naq to buy 1k AT's every 2 hrs or so and i am by no means the most active farmer or in possession of the biggest income.

[Brdavs]

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Talking of a solution there, we do.

How on earth would adding a 3rd server fix the problems of the existing two lol? And as far as $$ goes, one day the game will shut down, you gonna file for a refund then? What you`ve spent is LOST and holds no bearing on what the future may or may not bring.

I had 300mil CER. If you think it is hard to play ascension in a big alliance u have no idea how hard it is to play out of one. Not only do u have the occasional twit attacking you, you have people in large alliances that farm your stronger account and expect not to be hit or even farmed back. If you got into the top 20 with that CER you only got there because of people that were ahead of you got knocked out, I was one of them.

Not true. As it stands it`s much easier to play lone wolf sniping every1 for fat DMU loads & building up crazy levels in anticipation of the cap removal/upping.
Ironically that being huge and a part of GA type organisations is now almost as much as a hinderance as it used to be an advantage... poetic justice, no?

[Legendary Apophis]

Ascended isn't hard in the slighest chargin, it's just insanely boring. I was without an alliance until march this year and i never had any problems with anyone. The problem is the game changed and most of the players kept trying the old tactics, it's the ones who adapted who did very well out of ascended and that is mainly because they bought some DMU early on to get into a position to be able to farm.

And Jim the raiding limit is irrelevant to the cost of AT's, reason the cost keeps going up is simply because naq is much easier to get. Even if raiding was completely removed the price would still go up because people need to farm and mass and there just aren't enough AT's generated naturally to play the game as most people want.

As it stands i can make enough naq to buy 1k AT's every 2 hrs or so and i am by no means the most active farmer or in possession of the biggest income.

I don't say remove raiding, it's too late, and it is needed to be kept.
I know ATs price also grows up because of other factors, but if less people raid, more raid targets will be on, smaller will catch quicker the ones who obviously dont need to raid to grow (over trade limit people) as they have no unfair slowing like in ascension.
So I do NOT see why it can't be put.
As I said, 155-233mil army have NO cap on them, so I don't see why they should be able to raid, while traders can't go higher. And their raiding screws up 0-50mil army sized people's raiding.

[Legendary Apophis]

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Talking of a solution there, we do.

How on earth would adding a 3rd server fix the problems of the existing two lol? And as far as $$ goes, one day the game will shut down, you gonna file for a refund then? What you`ve spent is LOST and holds no bearing on what the future may or may not bring.

Because the people who paid won't be angry and those who don't like how sgw is now will like it, so everyone will be happy?
I spent $10 for 8k ATs for me, not really crying about it, but well since I paid $240 for naquadah that wasn't meant to be for me (middleman tradepart I was), I don't want to see this game restart!
Nomatter that I'll be repaid my cash by other part I don't like to know this game being able to reset.

[Mordack]

You know what this thread needs?

A Mojo Rising post.

[Legendary Apophis]

You know what this thread needs?

A Mojo Rising post.

Asking for the expert to come are we?
Talking about game is screwed up totally he's best at this!

This game makes me think now of a shares market...

[Borek]

no jim the bigger players don't screw the smaller ones out of raiding, why? because the smaller guys can't afford the turns to keep continually raiding anyway so they are limited by their own income/farming unless they have a big player funding them anyway.

Truth is there are stupidly high amounts of raid targets, way more than the active raiders need, but i don't see that as a bad thing, people can gain army size rapidly, which means they become better farms quicker, which helps the farmers

Even if the cap was lowered to the trading cap then it would make no real difference, people would just sell UU's to drop under the cap and generate extra Naq, then use that naq to bump up stats and reinvest in AT's so they can raid back their sold UU's, just like a lot of people do now with the cap being just over 200 mill for raiding.

[Legendary Apophis]

no jim the bigger players don't screw the smaller ones out of raiding, why? because the smaller guys can't afford the turns to keep continually raiding anyway so they are limited by their own income/farming unless they have a big player funding them anyway.

Truth is there are stupidly high amounts of raid targets, way more than the active raiders need, but i don't see that as a bad thing, people can gain army size rapidly, which means they become better farms quicker, which helps the farmers

Even if the cap was lowered to the trading cap then it would make no real difference, people would just sell UU's to drop under the cap and generate extra Naq, then use that naq to bump up stats and reinvest in AT's so they can raid back their sold UU's, just like a lot of people do now with the cap being just over 200 mill for raiding.

That wouldn't solve totally the problem, but I don't see how it could do worse, it's like trying to strike a falcon flying with one stone, being as we are now, and then be given 4 more stones, still almost impossible, but more easy. I don't take into consideration skills of stone dude, atmospheric situation and type of vegetation of the place, of course.
Well bad example as it includes luck.
Anyway that wouldn't be worse. Since the limit for trading andselling would be the same, they couldnt do stuff over it without using their UP hehe
That would solve many problems believe me I considered things enough :p
They coulnt raid back their uu since trade limit=raid limit, so over this none of both would work, only extra naq would work.

[Borek]

You're missing the point Jim, artificial caps don't work, so changing it for raiding is a waste of time, especially since it's ALREADY in place and doesn't work, lol. I mean so what if the raid limit is dropped down by 50 mill, it's not going to make any difference at all to the smaller players, it's only the top 0.1% that will even be affected and most of them are already dealing with the various caps and can quite easily modify their game play to reflect a lower raiding limit. Plus of course it makes it HARDER to catch up the players already over 200 mill.

People at the 200 mill cap have a simple choice atm, go heavy on UP and work towards the plague limit, or sell UU's every few days so they can keep raiding. Shaving 50 mill off the raid cap just makes them have to sell 50 mill more UU or push on until the plague.

Real issue is the biggest players have no"end game" and are simply not allowed to play the game fully due to the various caps stopping them raiding and buying more Units. All they can really do is stat build or fritter away units massing people and to be honest if you've slogged your guts out to reach 300 mill army i'd imagine the last thing you want to do is waste a lot of UU massing someone when you know the only way to get them back is via UP, whereas the smaller guy you massed can just buy or raid them all back in a fraction of the time...

[Legendary Apophis]

You're missing the point Jim, artificial caps don't work, so changing it for raiding is a waste of time, especially since it's ALREADY in place and doesn't work, lol. I mean so what if the raid limit is dropped down by 50 mill, it's not going to make any difference at all to the smaller players, it's only the top 0.1% that will even be affected and most of them are already dealing with the various caps and can quite easily modify their game play to reflect a lower raiding limit. Plus of course it makes it HARDER to catch up the players already over 200 mill.

People at the 200 mill cap have a simple choice atm, go heavy on UP and work towards the plague limit, or sell UU's every few days so they can keep raiding. Shaving 50 mill off the raid cap just makes them have to sell 50 mill more UU or push on until the plague.

Real issue is the biggest players have no"end game" and are simply not allowed to play the game fully due to the various caps stopping them raiding and buying more Units. All they can really do is stat build or fritter away units massing people and to be honest if you've slogged your guts out to reach 300 mill army i'd imagine the last thing you want to do is waste a lot of UU massing someone when you know the only way to get them back is via UP, whereas the smaller guy you massed can just buy or raid them all back in a fraction of the time...

You have good arguments...
...But I don't see why the trader would be disadvantaged compared to the raider. It would be harder to catch the top? As I said, the trade=raid limit, so people who like to raid would drop army by selling...who would buy them? People under limit. Then it would bring back the skills for growing above this. The ones who know if invest into UP is better thn invest into income...it's all a circle there. And would be far more interesting to see how it would go!

[Borek]

But people are already doing that Jim, just when they reach 200 mill instead of the 150 mill trade cap. All you are suggesting is lowering the raid cap from 200 mill to 150 mill, lol. it makes the game even more boring for the big players and changes almost nothing for the rest of the game, except to make it even harder to catch the people who are above the 200 mill raid cap now.

So how on earth is making it harder to catch the top accounts improving the game? You aren't suggesting anything to make the game more fun for the top accounts and you aren't suggesting anything that makes it easier to catch up.

I buy all my UU atm because i can't be bothered to raid, bought 50 mill UU's in the last month, so i have a pretty good idea what trading for UU's involves when compared to raiding.

Bottom line is playing with the caps isn't the way to fix things, the game needs a much bigger overhaul. removing the inactives would actually be one of the best things that i think could be done, that would force players to actually attack active player for their naq/UU's instead of playing "easy mode" like now...

[Legendary Apophis]

But people are already doing that Jim, just when they reach 200 mill instead of the 150 mill trade cap. All you are suggesting is lowering the raid cap from 200 mill to 150 mill, lol. it makes the game even more boring for the big players and changes almost nothing for the rest of the game, except to make it even harder to catch the people who are above the 200 mill raid cap now.

So how on earth is making it harder to catch the top accounts improving the game? You aren't suggesting anything to make the game more fun for the top accounts and you aren't suggesting anything that makes it easier to catch up.

I buy all my UU atm because i can't be bothered to raid, bought 50 mill UU's in the last month, so i have a pretty good idea what trading for UU's involves when compared to raiding.

Bottom line is playing with the caps isn't the way to fix things, the game needs a much bigger overhaul. removing the inactives would actually be one of the best things that i think could be done, that would force players to actually attack active player for their naq/UU's instead of playing "easy mode" like now...

MAIN reason why I say it, is, again, why would traders have disadvantage on raiders?
That will put everyone on equality, now it's raiding which is overly advantaged, what about for people who dont like/cant raid, not because they dont have ATs, but because of time etc...? Aside of raiding being easier for smaller, why would raiders be advantaged over anyone else?
AS FAR AS I KNOW, THIS GAME IS STARGATEWARS? NOT STARGATERAIDS!

[Borek]

That's the whole point you've missed Jim, I AM BUYING UU's NOT RAIDING.

I am NOT disadvantaged by doing that, it takes me far less time to farm naq than it does to raid. In fact i am kinda dreading when i do hit 150 mill because then i will have to start raiding again.

As i said i've made 50 mill UU's in the last month by BUYING THEM. And no i don't want the raiders to be slowed down or punished because a lot of the people i buy my UU's from are raiders, punish them and the prices for the UU's go up and i have to farm more naq to get the same number of UU's, lol.