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for gods sake our economy is not bad, its still hmm, number 1. And don't give me crap about the whole National Debt , Canada, the UK, Japan and France all have worse national debts.

AssAsinX wrote:well.. what i wanna say is pretty bad so i wont.. but this atleast will eliminate the chances of another war.. because females are not war ppl.. and obama seems to be black and knows what racism is soo he prob will take slow approch lol soo no WW3 for 4 years

so the terrorists will become more successful (obama wants to negotiate with them )

btw: 9/11 was engineered by obama to discredit bush. just that cia fella that overheard the conversation got the name wrong. so they went after osama.

Corran Horn wrote:

AssAsinX wrote:well.. what i wanna say is pretty bad so i wont.. but this atleast will eliminate the chances of another war.. because females are not war ppl.. and obama seems to be black and knows what racism is soo he prob will take slow approch lol soo no WW3 for 4 years

so the terrorists will become more successful (obama wants to negotiate with them )

btw: 9/11 was engineered by obama to discredit bush. just that cia fella that overheard the conversation got the name wrong. so they went after osama.

Corran...

Appy, the economy is "bad" because 1) we Americans have created the illusion there are jobs we won't do, giving us an excuse to screw ourselves over, and 2) people keep talking about how the economy is bad, so it spirals. Got to love the media

@Ifrit I know you're taking the time to write out a long support for your arguments, so I should probably tell you my biases right now. First, I think that you'll probably have points about the Fed that I can't argue against, assuming I can find evidence against any of it. TBH, I not only see where you're coming from, but partly agree (watched the first movie in your sig). Second, I have a healty distrust for what I consider conspiracies, so I'm probably going to take the rest of your argument after that with a pinch of salt. Just to give you a heads up. Corran and them will probably joke around some more.

Final question: Do you know how many combat deaths there have been in Iraq?

Phoenix of Terra wrote:Strange, you say midday, but I remember the attacks occuring in the morning of my fifth grade year. So, what's so unreasonable about having midday patrols after a crisis?

And pops, I think it's your youth, as opposed to your nationality, that makes you an Obama supporter. I should know, I'm surrounded by American high schoolers.

I thought you would get the hint.
Crashes happend at around 9-10am if I'm right, air place was closed to everyone.
I do NOT talk about army patrols, I talk of the ONLY plane NOT containing air force pilots, but a family...couldn't it be Bin Laden family?


Oh and where is Ossama Bin Laden btw? After 7 years you should have caught him by now?

If you really wanted, OF COURSE...

Corran Horn wrote:
btw: 9/11 was engineered by obama to discredit bush. just that cia fella that overheard the conversation got the name wrong. so they went after osama.

Why not blame martians while we at it?



Let's sum up all:
911, over 2500 dead people, apparently both Mossad and DGSE, French secret services, warned US that an attack was imminant, but well, they didn't listen...
Reaction, send troops to Afghanistan to catch Bin Laden, 7 years later, where is he? Yes you liberated Afghanistan, maybe your only success so far ...Then you tried for world award of biggest lie ever, that Saddam was pro Al Qaeda and had WMD, and planned to attack US, all of this was lies...you then sent troops...over 3k soldiers died for this stupidity, over 200,000 civilians inhabitants killed as well, chaos in country brought, bombs every day exploding, nothing better than before, would say even worse than former Iraq.
Now white house spokeman states the obvious in his book...bunch of successes for Bush, hooray!

AssAsinX wrote:

Phoenix of Terra wrote:

AssAsinX wrote:lol listen, a couple of ppl playing sgw isnt gonna change the mind of the strongest man in the world... so stop trying.. anyways his 8 years are up and ur gonna be stuck with a female leading ur country.. or that other guy..

Oh God, not Hillary...

I'll take Obama over her, if I have to.

well.. what i wanna say is pretty bad so i wont.. but this atleast will eliminate the chances of another war.. because females are not war ppl.. and obama seems to be black and knows what racism is soo he prob will take slow approch lol soo no WW3 for 4 years

Is there a problem with it?

If we completely disregarded the rest of the world (I know, it seems like we have, but it's not true), then we would just say "**** it" and invade western Pakistan and get it over with. But we have let the Pakistani government try to play a part, and considering the condition of western Pakistan, they haven't been very successful. So, unless you think we should sacrifice another country's sovierngty for Bin Ladin (which, once again, the US really isn't into that), we're stuck with the CIA and Predator strikes, along with fighting insurgents.

Phoenix of Terra wrote: Second, I have a healty distrust for what I consider conspiracies, so I'm probably going to take the rest of your argument after that with a pinch of salt. Just to give you a heads up. Corran and them will probably joke around some more.

sure i will!

Phoenix of Terra wrote:Final question: Do you know how many combat deaths there have been in Iraq?

not much compared to, for example this

Legendary Apophis wrote:Crashes happend at around 9-10am if I'm right, air place was closed to everyone...

i thought air space over manhattan was closed since this (was that guy a relative of bush's?)

Legendary Apophis wrote:Oh and where is Ossama Bin Laden btw? After 7 years you should have caught him by now?

they cannot catch him. that wouldn't make sense. there has to be an enemy. always. there's no soviet union now and fidel&chavez&co. are not scarry enough. so it's al'quaeda. it'll be possible to catch osama when some other candidate for the biggest enemy shows up.

Legendary Apophis wrote:

Corran Horn wrote:btw: 9/11 was engineered by obama to discredit bush. just that cia fella that overheard the conversation got the name wrong. so they went after osama.

Why not blame martians while we at it?

yes. i've been suspecting barak to be a martian for some time..

Legendary Apophis wrote:Let's sum up all:
911, over 2500 dead people, apparently both Mossad and DGSE, French secret services, warned US that an attack was imminant, but well, they didn't listen...

ah.. ya've mentioned the name.. if 9/11 was a conspiracy, i'd say it was the institute.

Legendary Apophis wrote:Oh God, not Hillary...

I'll take Obama over her, if I have to.

another sex scandal? would be interesting..

Phoenix of Terra wrote:If we completely disregarded the rest of the world (I know, it seems like we have, but it's not true), then we would just say "**** it" and invade western Pakistan and get it over with. But we have let the Pakistani government try to play a part, and considering the condition of western Pakistan, they haven't been very successful. So, unless you think we should sacrifice another country's sovierngty for Bin Ladin (which, once again, the US really isn't into that), we're stuck with the CIA and Predator strikes, along with fighting insurgents.

Lol like if invading would solve it...afterall with help of Pakistani army you should have caught him by now...

Corran you got valid reason why he's not caught yet lol
Though last quote I never said it...even if it's logical if it was not about voting that I would have done it...rofl!

Legendary Apophis wrote:

Phoenix of Terra wrote:If we completely disregarded the rest of the world (I know, it seems like we have, but it's not true), then we would just say "**** it" and invade western Pakistan and get it over with. But we have let the Pakistani government try to play a part, and considering the condition of western Pakistan, they haven't been very successful. So, unless you think we should sacrifice another country's sovierngty for Bin Ladin (which, once again, the US really isn't into that), we're stuck with the CIA and Predator strikes, along with fighting insurgents.

Lol like if invading would solve it...afterall with help of Pakistani army you should have caught him by now...

Corran you got valid reason why he's not caught yet lol
Though last quote I never said it...even if it's logical if it was not about voting that I would have done it...rofl!

Osama Ben Laden use to be on the CIA payroll and he is also one of G.W Bush's best friends, so he is protected, this is why. That is fact and also has been released in media.

Ifrit wrote:

Legendary Apophis wrote:

Phoenix of Terra wrote:If we completely disregarded the rest of the world (I know, it seems like we have, but it's not true), then we would just say "**** it" and invade western Pakistan and get it over with. But we have let the Pakistani government try to play a part, and considering the condition of western Pakistan, they haven't been very successful. So, unless you think we should sacrifice another country's sovierngty for Bin Ladin (which, once again, the US really isn't into that), we're stuck with the CIA and Predator strikes, along with fighting insurgents.

Lol like if invading would solve it...afterall with help of Pakistani army you should have caught him by now...

Corran you got valid reason why he's not caught yet lol
Though last quote I never said it...even if it's logical if it was not about voting that I would have done it...rofl!

Osama Ben Laden use to be on the CIA payroll and he is also one of G.W Bush's best friends, so he is protected, this is why. That is fact and also has been released in media.

I mentionned the fact of Laden family being escorted out of US on 911, while all other planes were forbidden, earlier on topic.

Legendary Apophis wrote:

Ifrit wrote:

Legendary Apophis wrote:

Phoenix of Terra wrote:If we completely disregarded the rest of the world (I know, it seems like we have, but it's not true), then we would just say "**** it" and invade western Pakistan and get it over with. But we have let the Pakistani government try to play a part, and considering the condition of western Pakistan, they haven't been very successful. So, unless you think we should sacrifice another country's sovierngty for Bin Ladin (which, once again, the US really isn't into that), we're stuck with the CIA and Predator strikes, along with fighting insurgents.

Lol like if invading would solve it...afterall with help of Pakistani army you should have caught him by now...

Corran you got valid reason why he's not caught yet lol
Though last quote I never said it...even if it's logical if it was not about voting that I would have done it...rofl!

Osama Ben Laden use to be on the CIA payroll and he is also one of G.W Bush's best friends, so he is protected, this is why. That is fact and also has been released in media.

I mentionned the fact of Laden family being escorted out of US on 911, while all other planes were forbidden, earlier on topic.

yea that was in the media as well. Also President Bush ordered not to pursue Ben Laden and the other alleged hijackers.

Pakistan doesn't spare most of its time looking for Osama because behind closed doors, Pakistan is probably rooting for the guy. Their government is another group of Muslim extremists, why would they want to rat out one of their cousins?

I honestly think the man is decomposing in a collapsed cave in Afganistan. Don't quote me on this, but I don't think he has put out a single video (that I can remember) since the Afganistan war. He had known health problems that required medications. He would have had to have hid in those caves for months before it was safe to leave.

Bin Laden has put out audio, but I'm guessing it could be easy to doctor audio, but I'm no expert on that. He usually leaves the messages up to Mullah Omar which is probably very much alive beside a pool in Pakistan.

"If we completely disregarded the rest of the world (I know, it seems like we have, but it's not true)"

In all honesty, I think it is the whole world that has disregarded us my friend. Which is another great gift of administration: more of this world actually hates us.

As a country, We like to meddle in affairs that don't involve us. We like to stuff our nose where it doesn't belong in the world. Iraq is the best example I can think of; and this example takes our tinkering to new extremes.

Ever stop and wonder what the hell we ever did to these muslim extremists? These Iraqi insurgents? They don't hate us just because their latest sheik says, "kill infidel". Or "kill american." The Bush administration and it's supporters would like to try and convince you it's that simple, but its not.

We've had our nose in arab affairs for over fifty years. I say we pull out our unwanted two cents along with the troops of iraq and get the hell out of the middle east. We are not wanted there. The goal of the terrorists is not to destroy america. How can a band of rebels take down a nation of millions of people? They want to drive us out of Arabia.

They want to shoot guns into the air like a bunch of wild animals, hating infidels and israel, and I say let them do it. We have more important things to worry about. Like - how we are going to improve our production of crude for the time and, rewire our society in the longrun to be less reliant on oil; so we don't have to give Saudis a damn red, american dime.

The truth of the matter: Those insurgents have good reason to be angry. They have more reasons to fight us than we do to fight them. We have invaded their house and refuse to leave. Iraqis who do not support the terrorists remember a time when their leader ruled with an iron fist and they had order, jobs, food, and electricity, so in all reality they really don't support us either...

We have no reasons whatsoever. We came to Iraq with miserable excuses that have turned out to be lies and they keep us there today.

I'm sure if Iraq invaded us on shady grounds, torched our government and things got really, really crappy I would be bombing their cars and shooting at their soldiers too.

Phoenix of Terra wrote:Finally, I think the point you all are trying to make is that one man can change the entire scope of a government, and therefore it's that man's fault for all that is wrong in the world. And that is the reason that I still stay by the president. I know he has flaws, and I don't agree with everything he does or how he does it. But it's naive to thing that one man can change the entire political structure of a country. The President has a lot of influence, I'll concede. His ability to influence the media with conferences gives him an advantage over Congress in some ways. The thing is though, he needs a lot of support to get everything he wants done, which means getting congressional support, which means those legislators' consituencies must make it clear they support the president's actions and that their representative/senator should also. It comes back to the people. And even if you want to play the "the people are sheep" card (easy to play, many Americans don't take the time to stay politically aware, but that's an opportunity cost analysis I won't go into), the President still needs a large buearacracy (sp ) to do the job, collect the information, advise him, and play a role in the decision making. One man does not make a government, no matter how conviently he places himself to blame. I suppose next your going to tell me the president of Iran actually has more than a token power to wield and the country isn't mainly ruled by a religious council?

A double post, yes. One more point I couldn't work into my last though..

At a job, if the employees are total failures.. Your manager will be scolded by his manager before he scolds you.

One thing you failed to mention about all of those "advisers" of Bush: he hand picked those advisers. They're all failures. He's the fearless leader, so yes. He is going to be the target of the criticism. There outlook, goals, and shortcommings look and smell just like his, otherwise he wouldn't have chosen them.

Before Bush, I would have agreed. One man can't cause all of this trouble, but it's now true. That man and his administration lied to everyone to get support. They scared the hell out of everyone and made them feel like any thing they were doing was in their best interest.

So yeah, I do blame bush.

Ifrit wrote:Osama Ben Laden use to be on the CIA payroll and he is also one of G.W Bush's best friends, so he is protected, this is why. That is fact and also has been released in media.

Jack wrote:Proof or it's a lie.


Also, the media lies on a daily basis.........

first part is true. osama and his gang were trained and equiped by the cia during the soviet war in afghanistan. they were called "freedom fighters" back then. it's widely known fact.

second part is a lie witout the proof. personally i'd check every information released in the media as this crowd:
1. is lying on a daily basis
or
2. exagerates things to get more viewers
or
3. don't have a clue what they're talking about
or
4. all 3 above together

yes. they also used to be. so was fidel.

everybody is on the cia's payroll
kbye
john