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people whine about Mod/admin/whatever being Bias all the time, all you are saying is you should cave in to these people and appoint someone neutral, despite the fact that there is no one truely Neutral in the entire game.

I'd much rather have someone from TJP who was prepared to do the job regardless of whether it was "their side" making a complaint or "the other side" doing it, if someone is appointed based solely on the fact they sit on the fence 24/7/365 then they are going to have to constantly fend off attacks accusing them of favouritism purely because everyone knows that it will be a way to "damage" them and get them removed.

So no, far better to get someone appointed who has the plums to stand up for the forum regardless of who it is whining at the time. Appoint the person who is right for the job, the role actually requires someone to be strong, not weak, when it comes to politics.

Hey I'm not suggesting a weak person for the spot!
And in that matter, I suggest noone anyway, as all of this started as I said ombudsman's choice on successor would be good thing.
Nominations are over, afterall, was just suggesting that ombudsman doing his own choice would be good...and how about then a vote of yes/no to ombudsman's decison, if no wins then we do what we do now?
But if people like how things are now, then it's ok.

Yes I'm annoying with my suggestions but that's only thing I do in these forums lmao
Motherships, leaders having commanders, quantum wave 11, new ranks with ascended races included for races in main etc...

Legendary Apophis wrote:... as all of this started as I said ombudsman's choice on successor would be good thing.

let me quote myself

if the mods shud have the power to decide on who the final candidates are is a topic better ansered in an other topic as it is not directly relevant to this tread and if discussed here wil only hinder the topic at hand.

can we pls move on to the " Definition of the ombdus(wo)man job "

Yes you're right there.

Hmmmm. My thoughts



His/Her job will to be the person in the middle. Everyone is human, and sometimes the mods have been known to make decisions based off of personal or biased decisions. When this occurs, the community has the ability to ask the ombudsman to go over both cause and penalty.

The ombudsperson should be an older player, as he/she needs to know and understand the political structure of the game. They must also be "bi-partisan" in their support, thus to allow both sides to approach him/her openly.


In his/her decisions, alliance tags will not be considered. Infact, alliance do not exist when he/she looks at things as ombudsperson. They shouldn't care if it's ETL, Wolf359, Pianomutt, or Freespirit. If you mess us, you suffer the consequences.

I've seen abuse on both sides. Since my entrance to this game, I've seen biased decisions made in how updates are put forth, how the forum is organized and it's mods....Right now, is the least biased mod representation that I have ever seen.

There are mods from all sides is what I am getting at.


I myself, pull from all sides. I have FUALL support, TLJ support, and Neutral support. Not many can say that, and it's mainly due to the fact that I refuse to limit my friends to my alliance mates, I'm always ready to bury the hatchet, and i'm a generally nice guy.



Vote for whom you will, the decision is in your hands.


Bill

(Good thread Draleg, I wish that I knew you better. My msn is pianomutt20000@hotmail.com if you feel the same.)

1) Ombudsperson is a rediculus politically correct title, the correct term is ombudsman, you dont say personkind do you, you say mankind, man meaning man or women in many contexts.

2) The second vote, now locked should have had MajorLee in it, she clearly got more nominations than one of the final 3.

3) A vote of this kind should be an anonymous poll.

Now the important bit, I here talk of threats to vote for some of the nominees and concerns that the nominees will never be truly independent due to alliance affiliations. MajorLee is clearly the only serious contender that cannot be accused of bias as she is FS and FS is proudly independent, FS will not threaten anyone into voting and will ensure NO-ONE ever bullies or coerces MajorLee to effect her decisions as Ombudsman.

If you want fair play, spirit of the law, and unquestionably independent decisions, vote MajorLee at the next opportunity



Definition of Forum Ombudsman -

An objective unbiased party who can rule on disputes when Players challenge the actions / words of Mods or if Mods are divided on an issue. The Forum Ombudsman will not rule on disputes between Players/Alliances/Empire, thats what GC and Vendetta Corner is for. Since an Ombudsman has no real authority, their ruling is enforced purely by the backing of the mods and community that entrusted them with the position.

MEZZANINE wrote:
2) The second vote, now locked should have had MajorLee in it, she clearly got more nominations than one of the final 3.

3) A vote of this kind should be an anonymous poll.

Now the important bit, I here talk of threats to vote for some of the nominees and concerns that the nominees will never be truly independent due to alliance affiliations. MajorLee is clearly the only serious contender that cannot be accused of bias as she is FS and FS is proudly independent, FS will not threaten anyone into voting and will ensure NO-ONE ever bullies or coerces MajorLee to effect her decisions as Ombudsman.

If you want fair play, spirit of the law, and unquestionably independent decisions, vote MajorLee at the next opportunity

2 - As posted befor , this is not the " who needs to be nominated " tread

3 - an anonymous poll is to easy to manipulate , not everybody has a fixed ip.

as for the " important bit " , you say " MajorLee is clearly the only serious contender that cannot be accused of bias as she is FS and FS is proudly independent " but you have no problem saying " the nominees will never be truly independent due to alliance affiliations "

I have no problem with MLH or with FS but is there a difference between us 3 and MLH , and if there is , can you explain pls ?

Draleg wrote:

MEZZANINE wrote:
2) The second vote, now locked should have had MajorLee in it, she clearly got more nominations than one of the final 3.

3) A vote of this kind should be an anonymous poll.

Now the important bit, I here talk of threats to vote for some of the nominees and concerns that the nominees will never be truly independent due to alliance affiliations. MajorLee is clearly the only serious contender that cannot be accused of bias as she is FS and FS is proudly independent, FS will not threaten anyone into voting and will ensure NO-ONE ever bullies or coerces MajorLee to effect her decisions as Ombudsman.

If you want fair play, spirit of the law, and unquestionably independent decisions, vote MajorLee at the next opportunity

2 - As posted befor , this is not the " who needs to be nominated " tread

3 - an anonymous poll is to easy to manipulate , not everybody has a fixed ip.

as for the " important bit " , you say " MajorLee is clearly the only serious contender that cannot be accused of bias as she is FS and FS is proudly independent " but you have no problem saying " the nominees will never be truly independent due to alliance affiliations "

I have no problem with MLH or with FS but is there a difference between us 3 and MLH , and if there is , can you explain pls ?

Personally, I think it'll end up being a private vote...Due to people's fear of their alliance commanders.

Why not have everyone pm their vote to smoosh?

jreider014 wrote:Why not have everyone pm their vote to smoosh?

That's what i meant by private vote

jreider014 wrote:Why not have everyone pm their vote to smoosh?

that wold work

pianomutt20000 wrote:

Draleg wrote:

MEZZANINE wrote:
2) The second vote, now locked should have had MajorLee in it, she clearly got more nominations than one of the final 3.

3) A vote of this kind should be an anonymous poll.

Now the important bit, I here talk of threats to vote for some of the nominees and concerns that the nominees will never be truly independent due to alliance affiliations. MajorLee is clearly the only serious contender that cannot be accused of bias as she is FS and FS is proudly independent, FS will not threaten anyone into voting and will ensure NO-ONE ever bullies or coerces MajorLee to effect her decisions as Ombudsman.

If you want fair play, spirit of the law, and unquestionably independent decisions, vote MajorLee at the next opportunity

2 - As posted befor , this is not the " who needs to be nominated " tread

3 - an anonymous poll is to easy to manipulate , not everybody has a fixed ip.

as for the " important bit " , you say " MajorLee is clearly the only serious contender that cannot be accused of bias as she is FS and FS is proudly independent " but you have no problem saying " the nominees will never be truly independent due to alliance affiliations "

I have no problem with MLH or with FS but is there a difference between us 3 and MLH , and if there is , can you explain pls ?

Personally, I think it'll end up being a private vote...Due to people's fear of their alliance commanders.

majorlee is not running, and speaking with her, i believe if offered, she would step aside at this point. the last thing she wishes is for her name to become a point of argument on these forums. However the difference is.......u all got in because of your vast Empires, and now those same vast empires are causing havoc with the voting. In the end, this has become broke almost beyond repair, and the view that once again certain groups control all becomes more present. Welcome back to the beginning.

papa~smurf wrote:

pianomutt20000 wrote:

Draleg wrote:

MEZZANINE wrote:
2) The second vote, now locked should have had MajorLee in it, she clearly got more nominations than one of the final 3.

3) A vote of this kind should be an anonymous poll.

Now the important bit, I here talk of threats to vote for some of the nominees and concerns that the nominees will never be truly independent due to alliance affiliations. MajorLee is clearly the only serious contender that cannot be accused of bias as she is FS and FS is proudly independent, FS will not threaten anyone into voting and will ensure NO-ONE ever bullies or coerces MajorLee to effect her decisions as Ombudsman.

If you want fair play, spirit of the law, and unquestionably independent decisions, vote MajorLee at the next opportunity

2 - As posted befor , this is not the " who needs to be nominated " tread

3 - an anonymous poll is to easy to manipulate , not everybody has a fixed ip.

as for the " important bit " , you say " MajorLee is clearly the only serious contender that cannot be accused of bias as she is FS and FS is proudly independent " but you have no problem saying " the nominees will never be truly independent due to alliance affiliations "

I have no problem with MLH or with FS but is there a difference between us 3 and MLH , and if there is , can you explain pls ?

Personally, I think it'll end up being a private vote...Due to people's fear of their alliance commanders.

majorlee is not running, and speaking with her, i believe if offered, she would step aside at this point. the last thing she wishes is for her name to become a point of argument on these forums. However the difference is.......u all got in because of your vast Empires, and now those same vast empires are causing havoc with the voting. In the end, this has become broke almost beyond repair, and the view that once again certain groups control all becomes more present. Welcome back to the beginning.

Sorry papa, i'm pull the BS card.


I got in, because I have friends everywhere and people know me. Not because of my alliance tag. I have plenty of FUALL votes. So don't play that card, it doesn't stick.



Bill

u all got in because of your vast Empires

I actually resent that being sayed , you my dear smurf emply i am a puppet for Omega , i ashure you i am not.

I have no problem with MLH or with FS but is there a difference between us 3 and MLH , and if there is , can you explain pls ?

Well your right, we would never expect MajorLee as Ombudsman to rule on any dispute that involved FS but FS is 1 alliance of 14 players, as much as I respect the other nominees, they are in empires that span several alliances and hundreds of players, and if they avoided ruling on decisions that involved their empires, there would be very few disputes they could rule on.

EDIT

Oh well, mute point as Papa says she's stepping down while I was posting this reply.