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Ifrit wrote:the problem with most people I arguee/debate with are they were tought in school to not question the information being taught to them nor the validity of it. They believe what they are learning is the absolute. Furthermore many of them do not question media and the information being told to them, nor do they spend time researching it.

I must say that I think you're falling into this trap yourself only from the opposite side. I have watched the first two videos and might watch a few more. It's not proof of anything, it's some guy telling a story, granted a very interesting and engaging one but so was lord of the rings, no one thinks that's actually happening.

BTW, the idea that courts are evil and we should fight them is just rediculous. A world without enforceable justice would be the end of us all.

Eternity wrote:1 No government should be accountable.
That is such an idiotic concept, why on Earth would you limit your government's ability to do what is best for you?! Explain that to me. Accountability in the way you see it is obviously more of a hindrance to bureaucracy than it is a means to have a more effective government.

Imagine this, if you were to convince everyone of your ideas, which to God I hope you will never, you would effectively thrust this world into a twisted form of anarchy, an individualist bunch of singularities without any form of laws.
You know what man does when in such a situation? They eat and kill each other.
Order is required. Dissent is to be silenced. Dissenters are to be re-educated.
Luckily, our government is far more lenient than I would be.

WTH????

1, do you even understand and realize just what your saying? do you not see that we already have organized anarchy???


2 is just wrong on every level.

smooshable wrote:

Ifrit wrote:the problem with most people I arguee/debate with are they were tought in school to not question the information being taught to them nor the validity of it. They believe what they are learning is the absolute. Furthermore many of them do not question media and the information being told to them, nor do they spend time researching it.

I must say that I think you're falling into this trap yourself only from the opposite side. I have watched the first two videos and might watch a few more. It's not proof of anything, it's some guy telling a story, granted a very interesting and engaging one but so was lord of the rings, no one thinks that's actually happening.

BTW, the idea that courts are evil and we should fight them is just ridiculous. A world without enforceable justice would be the end of us all.

you guys are missing the point, he's not saying we should remove the courts completely, he is saying that we NEED to remove the court in its present form and replace it with a true justice system.

in America the lower courts can already throw out any ruling made by the supreme court on the matter of the illegal and unconstitutional income tax, i thought the SUPREME court was called the SUPREME court for a reason.

if thats not corruption i don't know what is...

btw, to all Americans, move to California and declare yourselves a Californian citizen and you wont have to pay tax

smooshable wrote:

Ifrit wrote:the problem with most people I arguee/debate with are they were tought in school to not question the information being taught to them nor the validity of it. They believe what they are learning is the absolute. Furthermore many of them do not question media and the information being told to them, nor do they spend time researching it.

I must say that I think you're falling into this trap yourself only from the opposite side. I have watched the first two videos and might watch a few more. It's not proof of anything, it's some guy telling a story, granted a very interesting and engaging one but so was lord of the rings, no one thinks that's actually happening.

BTW, the idea that courts are evil and we should fight them is just rediculous. A world without enforceable justice would be the end of us all.

My point exactly.

Rev. Auriel Daniels wrote:

smooshable wrote:

Ifrit wrote:the problem with most people I arguee/debate with are they were tought in school to not question the information being taught to them nor the validity of it. They believe what they are learning is the absolute. Furthermore many of them do not question media and the information being told to them, nor do they spend time researching it.

I must say that I think you're falling into this trap yourself only from the opposite side. I have watched the first two videos and might watch a few more. It's not proof of anything, it's some guy telling a story, granted a very interesting and engaging one but so was lord of the rings, no one thinks that's actually happening.

BTW, the idea that courts are evil and we should fight them is just rediculous. A world without enforceable justice would be the end of us all.

My point exactly.

@Rev. Auriel Daniels, above post edited, please read


ok, maybe i should take a step back for a minute and explain who i am, or not...i am NOT a nut job who blindly believes everything or anything i cannot INDEPENDENTLY verify.

i am NOT someone who delights in leading people astray or want to lead you astray, for the last time DONT TAKE MY WORD FOR ANY OF THIS, GO FIND OUT FOR YOURSELVES!

i couldnt careless how i look in your eyes so none of this is steaming from a popularity complex, far from it i knew this would happen.

i'm NOT some egomaniac trying to brow beat you into accepting anything i say, in fact we have repeatedly asked you lot to FIND OUT FOR YOURSELVES a good place to start is with those videos and the films in my sig.

why do i care? because we have 1 thing in common that not a single person on this planet can deny...we are both human and what is happening in the world is not right.
we have over taken Hitler, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and Poll Pot and have made mass murder the order of the day since WW1.

we should all feel ashamed that men, women and children are dieing by the millions everyday...lets think about that for a moment...MILLIONS of people dieing and no one is being held to account...WTH man? our leaders point there fingers and say the enemy is over there and without demanding any proof we ALL scream war and DEMAND the government sends in the troops to kill and be killed and for what? thats a really thoughtful and wise government for you, not to mention the loss of jobs and huge corruption going on, yeah thats a great system of government.

i don't know about you guys but i feel sick calling myself human and simply cant understand how you can all be so inhumane.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:

Rev. Auriel Daniels wrote:

smooshable wrote:

Ifrit wrote:the problem with most people I arguee/debate with are they were tought in school to not question the information being taught to them nor the validity of it. They believe what they are learning is the absolute. Furthermore many of them do not question media and the information being told to them, nor do they spend time researching it.

I must say that I think you're falling into this trap yourself only from the opposite side. I have watched the first two videos and might watch a few more. It's not proof of anything, it's some guy telling a story, granted a very interesting and engaging one but so was lord of the rings, no one thinks that's actually happening.

BTW, the idea that courts are evil and we should fight them is just rediculous. A world without enforceable justice would be the end of us all.

My point exactly.

above post edited, please read

I saw, thanks. Yet you miss our point as well.

You know the concept of confirmation bias, yes? I have an idea which involves a few visible effects; I see one or more of the effects, so my idea must be true.
There's a difference between questioning nothing (the accusation of which I find insulting really, is it really just because we don't reach the same conclusions?), questioning everything (which, for the record, is not what you're doing.. you question everything except that which is congruent with your current idea - not saying you never have, but right now, all we see is this), and questioning within reason.

You accuse us of looking at things through a channelling device which filters away the unwanted or incongruent thoughts.. but so do you, essentially. You accuse us of not questioning things, but if you find a vid with an MIT Engineer saying the Twin Towers were destroyed, you accept it without really questioning it. Again, this may not be the case, but you'll have to think about it.. it is the way in which you present this 'information' to us. Of course you will say "But we implore everyone to think critically!" yet when these people reach different conclusions, their critical thinking is at fault? Nonsense, and you know it. If you are indeed a proponent of critical thinking, an option which I am not instantly dismissing, you should at least respect the fact that with such an immensely broad spectrum of truth, people can and will reach different conclusions. Are they wrong? Not more or less as you are..

As for the example you gave about the courts etcetera, the example is irrelevant. The pattern behind it is something you have repeated over and over again.. this, to me, is counter to your suggestions to us, the masses, that we think critically.



R.A.D.,
- Fighting Ideas, Not People -

point taken, i read and take in everything even if i dont comment on it, i ask no more from you guys than i ask of myself and indeed ask more of myself because i am really holding back, if i speak of what i know and what i have witnessed with my own eyes and ears this community would brand me mad.,

ok. i grew up really naive i mean REALLY naive so naive you would not believe how much so, allot of times i would miss school and go hang out with my mates, tho i was really smart, and could have had a good career in advertising (according to my economics teacher) i left school at my earliest opportunity and went into the family business with the intention of working my backside off and then going into property development because i saw the housing and computer market boom coming years before anyone i've ever met.

well after a long and violent divorce my dad left home when i was 16 (now 40) and sold off the family business leaving me high and dry with no future due to lack of education. i always had a passion for history and i started hunting down books and reading allot and soon realized that not all is as it seems, 1 book would completely contradict another and i've always had a passion for truth so started hunting for the truth, its taken me 23 years to finally see the world for what it is, this thinking didnt start over night, in fact its taken me much reading and searching to realize the truth that the world is the way it is because of those in charge and not because we have crazed religious fanatics...

1 example is Israel (or Iss Ra EL. go learn what the word Israel actually means) there we have Gods chosen on 1 side saying that Israel was a land without people for a people without land but what everyone fails to realize is that Israel was never a land without people, it was inhabited by the Canaanites and the Israeli nation invaded the land of Canaan, even the Torah outlaws the Hebrews from setting up a nation/state of Israel.

despite all this for many years the Canaanites lived in peace with the jews and have not been fighting since time began as the media would have you believe, in fact they used to look after each others children the same as the Cypriot Greeks and the Cypriot Turks on Cyprus but after the Turkish invasion of Cyprus the propaganda machine went to work and convinced the youth that Cypriot Greeks and Turks have always hated each.

now if you look at Palestine what do we have...we have evil suicide bombers, but whats not shown is why these people are doing what there doing. nothing less than genocide (backed by america) is going on over there and yet we hear nothing of it on the news, i have seen testimony off an american woman crushed to death by a bulldozer trying to protect a Palestinian doctors house and yet the parents of the woman murdered cant even get the justice dept to tell them how this happened. i have seen an Irish woman shot at for peaceably demonstrating near a Palestinian Israeli zone and yet there is no outcry, not a whimper, i'm pretty sure neither of those woman had any intention of blowing themselves or anyone else up, but the propaganda machine marches on with the same bull****. not a single person has ever asked how all this came about...its the same thing time and time again, people ask questions but they don't ask the right ones. the ones that caused all the problems of the world are the Zionist and evil Rothschild's and the Rockefeller's, go look up the Balfour treaty if you don't believe me.
its like with each passing atrocity we become that much more desensitized to the world and whats going on.

but dont take my word for any of the above, see with your own eyes orthodox Jews standing with Muslims and asking that Palestine be returned to its rightful people...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuSlsiW9hT8

all i am trying to give you is information to go ask the right questions.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:i have seen testimony off an american woman crushed to death by a bulldozer trying to protect a Palestinian doctors house and yet the parents of the woman murdered cant even get the justice dept to tell them how this happened. i have seen an Irish woman shot at for peaceably demonstrating near a Palestinian Israeli zone and yet there is no outcry, not a whimper, i'm pretty sure neither of those woman had any intention of blowing themselves or anyone else up, but the propaganda machine marches on with the same bull****. not a single person has ever asked how all this came about...

Dang, for shame!!
Afterall they put peace demonstrators in police station in the US...or at least I've been told by tv that one.

having trouble finding the first video but this is the film of the Irish woman shot at and clearly shows the soldiers who shot at peaceful unarmed demonstrators....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dHU4ENALtY

will post 1st film as soon as i find it but this is another film of a Zionist in action...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPlkZc09 ... re=related

for shame is right because as long as we have our PS3, plasma TV's, MP3's and XBOX360 we don't care what happens in the world and what lies we are told by the TV.


GOT IT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyrQL-ZhMy4

Rachel died very young but she probably still lived more in 23 years than any of us will ever lived, she lived her dream which was to tackle injustice no matter where it was in the world, how many of us can make the same claim and commitment?

search your souls and spread the word for all our sakes.

smooshable wrote:

Ifrit wrote:the problem with most people I arguee/debate with are they were tought in school to not question the information being taught to them nor the validity of it. They believe what they are learning is the absolute. Furthermore many of them do not question media and the information being told to them, nor do they spend time researching it.

I must say that I think you're falling into this trap yourself only from the opposite side. I have watched the first two videos and might watch a few more. It's not proof of anything, it's some guy telling a story, granted a very interesting and engaging one but so was lord of the rings, no one thinks that's actually happening.

BTW, the idea that courts are evil and we should fight them is just rediculous. A world without enforceable justice would be the end of us all.

I certainly am happy to see someone as skeptik as you are here.

My comment is refering to what schools condition people to think like. Its a system made to brainwash people, to a degree.

For myself, when I was in the classroom and I questioned a teacher before on something he was teaching, he got very upset that I questioned what he was saying, and it was something I had studied myself. He was very angry at me for questioning what he was saying, he became even more upset when I told him he was inaccurate, and sent me to the office. So from my own personal life experience I do say that comment with lots of truth.

The court system is a bit messed up, lower courts are saying the surpreme court rullings are inapplicable. That is completly **Filtered**, considering that they are the highest of the chain.

Legendary Apophis wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:i have seen testimony off an american woman crushed to death by a bulldozer trying to protect a Palestinian doctors house and yet the parents of the woman murdered cant even get the justice dept to tell them how this happened. i have seen an Irish woman shot at for peaceably demonstrating near a Palestinian Israeli zone and yet there is no outcry, not a whimper, i'm pretty sure neither of those woman had any intention of blowing themselves or anyone else up, but the propaganda machine marches on with the same bull****. not a single person has ever asked how all this came about...

Dang, for shame!!
Afterall they put peace demonstrators in police station in the US...or at least I've been told by tv that one.

And on the other side of the coin, you have the Israeli army and police forcing out Israeli squatters and tearing down their houses alse. Not as much, but the government there is getter better about Palestine.