lmao, psi, none of that is my opinion because i never made it up and i'd never even heard of nafta, super highways or NAU prior to december 07, but when i did hear about it i bothered to go find out instead of ridiculing the guys who told me.
now i'm really gone.
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[KMA]Avenger wrote:lmao, psi, none of that is my opinion because i never made it up and i'd never even heard of nafta, super highways or NAU prior to december 07, but when i did hear about it i bothered to go find out instead of ridiculing the guys who told me.
now i'm really gone.
stating that we can't see when you have "strong evidence" and not presenting any is a bad argument.
YOU need to GIVE US, evidence, if you want to try and actually PROVE anything.
the internet is full of lies and deceit. out of the quoted numbers for google, there could be only 5 sites which actually have good sources.
the rest would be based on heresay, and lies.
Phoenix tried to prove this earlier with this search result:
Results 1 - 10 of about 28,500,000 for God is fake. (0.14 seconds)
Results 1 - 10 of about 22,000,000 for God is real. (0.17 seconds)
so don't try and tell us that we don't believe "despite such strong evidence" when you DID NOT present ANY.
so, i'm not ridiculing you, i'm ridiculing your argument because it's is VERY POORLY constructed. and you wonder why people don't listen to you...
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This post is going to contain my feelings on the Iraq War. As it is rather off topic, I'm putting it into a spoiler.
[spoiler]First of all, there isn't a news corporation that hasn't slammed te Iraq War (besides Fox, but that's just because Fox is anti-CNN to the extreme). Most of them play the "we support the troops, but not the war" card. Imo, that is the stupidest idea ever. I suppose you're going to talk to a extended relative and tell them "Well, you're family, so I really like you and support you! But you're last 5 years of life have been wasted imo, because you work at a company which I don't agree with. But I still really like you and support you in everything except dedicating yourself to your company like you have... but remember I still like and support you!" I realize that this "support the troops, if not the war" attitude comes out of the rather heinous neglect Vietnam vets received upon their return from Nam in the face of protests. I cannot fathom, though, how you can possibly believe you are supporting people when you are calling all of their progress failures, their missions a mistake, and basically claiming their actions are futile. Jmho.
Secondly, on Iraq itself. I realize that there is a huge amount of controversy on how we got there. Accusations and counter-charges still fly over who's fault it is. And personally, I don't care anymore. The issue should no longer "should we be there?". The issue, imo, should be "how do we make the best of this for all?". How we got there is in the past, and pulling out now is nothing more than running from responsibility. It's not "we shouldn't have been in there, so we're going to leave it to the Iraqis and neighbors" as much as it would be "we don't have the moral responsibility to fix the mess we made, so we're just going to step out and say to hell with it". You don't shoot the "head of a household" and then leave the "family" to be picked up by manipulative neighbors. It's just wrong. And being able to blame sone person for that wrong doesn't abstain the rest of your "family" from the responsibility to right that wrong. Maybe I'm buying too much into King Arthur's "Might for Right" policy, but in my mind, we should fix a problem that we caused.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]First of all, there isn't a news corporation that hasn't slammed te Iraq War (besides Fox, but that's just because Fox is anti-CNN to the extreme). Most of them play the "we support the troops, but not the war" card. Imo, that is the stupidest idea ever. I suppose you're going to talk to a extended relative and tell them "Well, you're family, so I really like you and support you! But you're last 5 years of life have been wasted imo, because you work at a company which I don't agree with. But I still really like you and support you in everything except dedicating yourself to your company like you have... but remember I still like and support you!" I realize that this "support the troops, if not the war" attitude comes out of the rather heinous neglect Vietnam vets received upon their return from Nam in the face of protests. I cannot fathom, though, how you can possibly believe you are supporting people when you are calling all of their progress failures, their missions a mistake, and basically claiming their actions are futile. Jmho.
Secondly, on Iraq itself. I realize that there is a huge amount of controversy on how we got there. Accusations and counter-charges still fly over who's fault it is. And personally, I don't care anymore. The issue should no longer "should we be there?". The issue, imo, should be "how do we make the best of this for all?". How we got there is in the past, and pulling out now is nothing more than running from responsibility. It's not "we shouldn't have been in there, so we're going to leave it to the Iraqis and neighbors" as much as it would be "we don't have the moral responsibility to fix the mess we made, so we're just going to step out and say to hell with it". You don't shoot the "head of a household" and then leave the "family" to be picked up by manipulative neighbors. It's just wrong. And being able to blame sone person for that wrong doesn't abstain the rest of your "family" from the responsibility to right that wrong. Maybe I'm buying too much into King Arthur's "Might for Right" policy, but in my mind, we should fix a problem that we caused.[/spoiler]
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back on topic, somewhat...
i heard that both Berlusconi, Sarkozy are convicted criminals...i cant be arsed to look to hard into it since i already think that all EU politicians are criminals anyways, just thought i would mention it in case anyone is interested or would like to look into it further.
i heard that both Berlusconi, Sarkozy are convicted criminals...i cant be arsed to look to hard into it since i already think that all EU politicians are criminals anyways, just thought i would mention it in case anyone is interested or would like to look into it further.

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[KMA]Avenger wrote:back on topic, somewhat...
i heard that both Berlusconi, Sarkozy are convicted criminals...i cant be arsed to look to hard into it since i already think that all EU politicians are criminals anyways, just thought i would mention it in case anyone is interested or would like to look into it further.
Lol sorry but that's no news to me

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Legendary Apophis wrote:[KMA]Avenger wrote:back on topic, somewhat...
i heard that both Berlusconi, Sarkozy are convicted criminals...i cant be arsed to look to hard into it since i already think that all EU politicians are criminals anyways, just thought i would mention it in case anyone is interested or would like to look into it further.
Lol sorry but that's no news to me
it wasn't news to me either till a few days ago but like i said...i was told this by 3 guys i know so has to be classed as hearsay because i cant be bothered to look into it for obvious reasons.

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