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[KMA]Avenger wrote:

Wolf359 wrote:

Curumo wrote:*edit 2*: Wolf it works against the spirit of the game and players once it crosses a certain line

Seriously - there was never even this much moaning (in general) when whole accounts could be levelled (all troops/mercs and UU) - it seems the easier the game gets, the more people complain about things.

me personally, i would LOVE to see a return to the days when we could level an entire account. (@everyone) so please dont think i am moaning and want to see things get even more easier than they already are...

this topic is simply to gauge peoples feelings on the matter, nothing more and nothing less.

on a side note, when AK was massed by Omega it was in direct response to a threat posed by TLC (even tho all of AK was unaware with the exception of maybe 1 member) but even tho AK was part of TLC (and TLC disbanded by the time war broke out with omega) we was still attacked and ended the war after 1 week due to a poll run which showed by i think 17 to 15 votes that AK members wanted to end the war, omega never imposed any restrictions or reparations on AK and if i'm not mistaken even went as far to say that omega would mass anyone who would try and take advantage while AK was rebuilding and both sides showed respect after the war was done....

so you see the difference here.

TLE war with mayhem during the Zion conflict ended with 0 terms and with generally good relations and vibes from both sides, so much so the alliances grew pritty close for a while.

And on the other hand The Foundation war would not end untill all the alliances disbanded ingame, prolonging the colflict for several weeks for alliance refusing to do so like TA, + other limitations & terms on key induviduals and their ingame future.


So if your point is that one experiance merrits a conclusion about generic behavioural patterns of certain groups making them inheretly "right" or "wrong" and "good" or "bad" its kinda a mute one heh...
Like I said, noone is trying to play Madre Theresa here... but lets be honest and admit it`s by far not the worst thing ever done.


@curumo: I allready explained why tekki was treated incresingly harsh. And her is the only case I can think of with the punative element so largly outdoing the preventive one. Her schemes and twofacedness were the "tax base". Youre picking a poor case to problematize, its one TLE (and many of her ex alliance) loose the least sleap over when hypoteticaly having doubts about asking for reparations and compensations heh. You know how our saying goes... kot dojenček, v oči me gleda pa mi serje. ( like a baby, looks me str8 in the eyes and gives me poop(BS me)* )

*rough translation heh, gimme a brake, things get lost in translation

Brdavs i didn't even mean tekki, i know why you did that. Meh i'll just send you a PM

@curumo: I allready explained why tekki was treated incresingly harsh. And her is the only case I can think of with the punative element so largly outdoing the preventive one. Her schemes and twofacedness were the "tax base". Youre picking a poor case to problematize, its one TLE (and many of her ex alliance) loose the least sleap over when hypoteticaly having doubts about asking for reparations and compensations heh. You know how our saying goes... kot dojenček, v oči me gleda pa mi serje. ( like a baby, looks me str8 in the eyes and gives me poop(BS me)* )

My god you guys sicken me.

You now admit to punishing the entire AEU for your perception of my actions, which were never anything more than to serve my alliance at the time.

To those in TLE who claim to have suffered under FUALL/COP or whatever, you have just lost any and all respect if this is what you allow your alliance to do. Wake up and smell the BS you 'father' is spewing forth, and realise you are not innocent if you follow, you are just as culpable.

Now Brdvas, let me explain something to you. Do read it.

I never lied to TLE. What we had was a very bad case of timing. I can probably even pull my convos with Blahh which prove that, if I could be bothered but I don't think I will as truth is something you seem not interested in.

I'm nto sure what sickens me more about TLE now, the fact that some attempt to claim that they can't help it, or extortion, blackmail and various other things they think is justified.

Oh my god, not this again. I had a arguement with Vendetta last night like this, only to found it cleaned out by morning by a mod.

So here is what I say.

I can see this thread is already getting heated... actually it started out pretty heated in the first place.

Although I can understand why some people are unhappy about the repatriation process which has been put in place by member alliances and allies of The Janus Pact, there are many facts to consider.

This war was not started by any alliance from The Janus Pact. It was however was started by FUALL, who'se members attacked and massed us and our allies. To even consider allowing people to walk away easily and freely would be absurd. To use a metaphorical example here, you return home from work one day, to find your house has been broken into, your posessions stolen and your family murdered. The person who did those horrible things is still there, but walks up to you and says "Hi there, will you allow me to leave now i've killed your family and stolen everything you've ever owned?" Would you say "Sure, you may leave freely and be sure to show the next burgular the way to break in too". Or would you take action, make him pay for his crimes? I know which I would do...

Another simple fact remains, too many times in the past have we witness people abuse our kind nature. We have allowed people to leave wars, let them walk away free of charge. Then they turn around and stab us in the back by funded heavily from outside.

How can anyone, upon facing the reasons above, not seriously realise the need for a radical new approach when it comes to accepting the enemies' surrender?

Whether the approach that we have chosen to adpot, or the approach that FUALL have chosen is better, depends greatly on personal circumstances. As it has been stated before, our alliances are built upon the friendship. FUALLs approach is simply meant to divide people from their friends, and ensure that they stay divided for all time. Alone, and vulnerable. If for whatever reason I was forced to give up this battle, I would not wish to be forced to abandon my friends forever. A much better option would be to pay a small fee now, for a brighter future with my friends later.

As a final point I would also like to stress it is important for people to remember that the repatriations system is only a general guideline. Each case is assessed on an individual basis by the appointed members. Those members look at past history, as well as recent actions to reach an amicable agreement for an end to hostilities.

~RepliNorbe.

Replinorbe if you dont know there is only one to blame for the Zion war, and this war. 1 person, 1 account. Which if I was him and could I would do the same. Blahh likes to farm and sometimes he probably over farms. Its the nature of the game big deal , people get tired of it. Two examples Zion war , now this war.

You want to blame some one blame Blahh I do he even gave me permission.

Thats my view .

Reparations are fine. But when you track down members who weren't in the alliance when the war started...that's when you are wrong.


Also, demanding that someone NEVER return to their former alliance....ever....is also jacked up.


Both sides share the blame in regards to these demands.

pianomutt20000 wrote:Reparations are fine. But when you track down members who weren't in the alliance when the war started...that's when you are wrong.


Also, demanding that someone NEVER return to their former alliance....ever....is also jacked up.


Both sides share the blame in regards to these demands.

For once.. I actually agree with Bill..

My god, I think there will be a Apocalypse soon.

Noobert wrote:

pianomutt20000 wrote:Reparations are fine. But when you track down members who weren't in the alliance when the war started...that's when you are wrong.


Also, demanding that someone NEVER return to their former alliance....ever....is also jacked up.


Both sides share the blame in regards to these demands.

For once.. I actually agree with Bill..

My god, I think there will be a Apocalypse soon.

(runs and hides under the bed)

Noobert wrote:

pianomutt20000 wrote:Reparations are fine. But when you track down members who weren't in the alliance when the war started...that's when you are wrong.


Also, demanding that someone NEVER return to their former alliance....ever....is also jacked up.


Both sides share the blame in regards to these demands.

For once.. I actually agree with Bill..

My god, I think there will be a Apocalypse soon.

I agree with him too.

Mordack wrote:

Noobert wrote:

pianomutt20000 wrote:Reparations are fine. But when you track down members who weren't in the alliance when the war started...that's when you are wrong.


Also, demanding that someone NEVER return to their former alliance....ever....is also jacked up.


Both sides share the blame in regards to these demands.

For once.. I actually agree with Bill..

My god, I think there will be a Apocalypse soon.

I agree with him too.

I didn't see this coming from myself either ... and i'm not jumping on the bandwagon as i say this ...

*takes a deep breath*

Bill's right

ok, I made my proposal in general forum. But it has absolutely no chance of success without bipartisan support. Please visit and vote and post.




Bill

Curumo wrote::shock:

I didn't see this coming from myself either ... and i'm not jumping on the bandwagon as i say this ...

*takes a deep breath*

Bill's right

**Slaps Curumo** what are you thinking?? Your not!!!!!

Dude ... his proposal ... is reasonable to an extent