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Re: The Scandal: Madonna compare McCain with Hitler!

Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:43 am
by Juliette
In a post calling JFK a good leader, any other argument is fail.
*sighs with exasperation*

Re: The Scandal: Madonna compare McCain with Hitler!

Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 3:46 am
by Cole
Lois Lane wrote:In a post calling JFK a good leader, any other argument is fail.
*sighs with exasperation*

What does that mean?

Oh my god... ](*,) ](*,)

I have no words to say...

And don't want to.

Anytime a Hitler over a JFK to lead isn't it?
He's so skilled afterall to solve all problems and lead country to glory.
But after, all medias will be censored and that it will be *only* about the leader, the leader...and the leader EVERYWHERE EVERYTIME on ALL MEDIAS! :lol:

Now one question.
Who's the best leader between those two:

1- Hitler, he managed to divide his population by creating fears inside and antagonizing them, and saying the menace was inside. Spread by manipulated medias and force against opposition= fear to be criticized.
2- JFK, who did all what he could to try to stop segregation and unite people from the kind of speech supporters of such above person spread for long time. The republican opposition was active and not censored. He got killed as was Martin Luther King. Trying to prove: black= white.

Strangely enough...the award apparently belongs to the first one... :?

Re: The Scandal: Madonna compare McCain with Hitler!

Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:34 am
by Fear Of The Duck
now i misread the topic title "The Scandal: Madonna compare McCain with Apophis!" :?

Re: The Scandal: Madonna compare McCain with Hitler!

Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:38 am
by Cole
Corran Horn wrote:now i misread the topic title "The Scandal: Madonna compare McCain with Apophis!" :?

Bah...if it was only that :lol:

A true & great leader for me will NEVER be one of those who need to eradicate all forms of opposition to have a credibility after manipulating the people by spreading crazyly false lies to get as much supporters as they can. And no not lies like "if you elect you'll all be billionaires", but more like "the jews are conspirating against us, they want to steal all of our goods. We must respond! They want to be the new world order"

Oh...lol

"New World Order"

Conspiracy theory and paranoia anyone?
:lol:
Great leadership isn't it? ;)


Not to add that Von Hindenburg was a royalist and was trying all his best to avoid Hitler becoming Chancellor. But of course, it has been greatly not taken care of and avoided in this debate...To be honest, I would have surprised by the opposite! :lol:

Re: The Scandal: Madonna compare McCain with Hitler!

Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:44 am
by Apadamek
Semper wrote:
Medicus Atrum wrote:
Semper wrote:I am sorry, but I object. Adolf Hitler was not one of the worst dictators on earth. He was by far one of the best to have ever lived, a little crazy and awesomely terrible, but look what he made Germany from what it had become after 1918. yes, he may not have done it completely a lone, but he was the leader after all. He was an 'evil' man, but not a bad dictator.

Anyone contesting that and expecting to be accepted need only contest their own level of intellect and ignorance too.


Wow. You have lost any respect I ever had for you as a person.
My family is German, we came to America before the war because the changes that were happening there. To even THINK you would HINT at such a claim marks you as insane, what he did to the Jews is the worst mark on my peoples history, and to think you tried to JUSTIFY IT!
You say he was a good Dictator, and that he must be praised for excelling in his actions, Couldn't the same be said toward a Murderer? "Man, That Ted Bundy, He sure was a killer wasn't he? And he was good at it, one of the best infact! He should be awarded for his murderous actions agenst the Human race!" *Give Ol' 'Teddy' a Gold Star* :-s

My God, man, what were you thinking when you wrote that?! :x


oh...I am wounded. lol. I dont care what you think. I did not try to justify what Hitler did to the Jews, nor am I saying he was good because of what he did to them. Man you are a tool. Same goes to you Apadamek in this instance.

Apophis said, that Hitler was a bad dictator. Yet in 1925 when Germany was rock bottom, well somehow there was a change from the few years it spent in this terrible state to the powerful nation it had become by 1935. Hitler was at its helm. When the war started, Hitlers one and only major mistake was starting a war on two fronts against Russia, a massive and history turning mistake, but none the less just one fatal mistake after a massive line of success. He played the rest of europe, including england for fools. Neither of you cannot deny his success in leading that country for as long as there was some, and as I said to do so only shows the measure of your own ignorance.

So, please. If, Medicus, you wish to post, at least make sure you understand what I have written so you do not make false claims.

some people, I dont know..absolute...*strolls off ranting and flailing arms*..



And sure Germany did well enough for those years till the 40's. Then his all powerful achievements came to nothing, the economy was destroyed his country was fractured and Germany was a tool for US and Russian political games for the next fourty years. Totally worth 15 years of economic rise.

His only mistake was declaring war on the United States after Pearl Harbor, the Russians were doing terribly in the beginning, losing all their tanks and factories. Without the US shipping in tanks and arms and food then Russia would have fallen and the war would have gone on far longer.

Re: The Scandal: Madonna compare McCain with Hitler!

Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:56 am
by Cole
All of this built on paranoia and conspiracy theories about the evil New World Order trying to steal germany and control them...(the jews peril like he called it)

This dude was an idiot, as he actually believed the crap he was spreading, I'm sure of that! :lol:


He didn't exagerate a "threat" that existed (like we seen with communism, and now with terrorism), he created it!!

Re: The Scandal: Madonna compare McCain with Hitler!

Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:54 am
by Don Lewis
And sure Germany did well enough for those years till the 40's. Then his all powerful achievements came to nothing, the economy was destroyed his country was fractured and Germany was a tool for US and Russian political games for the next fourty years. Totally worth 15 years of economic rise.

His only mistake was declaring war on the United States after Pearl Harbor, the Russians were doing terribly in the beginning, losing all their tanks and factories. Without the US shipping in tanks and arms and food then Russia would have fallen and the war would have gone on far longer.


lol, dont think for one second declaring war on the US caused hitlers downfall, its the russians that crippled him, who in no way needed any help from the US. Sure they lost tanks and factories, but as they fell further back into russia they literally moved their factories until a point where for every 1 tank destroyed they were pumping out 3 new ones.

Napoleon himself dubbed the mud of russia in the winter as the 5th element as it was impossible to traverse effectively. Hitler had the same problem, he couldnt get resources to the front fast enough and it inevitably collapsed. That was his one great tactical mistake as a ruler imo.

As for him being a good dictator, sure he was an awsome tactical, economical and political leader, its his morals that let him down.

Don.

Re: The Scandal: Madonna compare McCain with Hitler!

Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:07 pm
by Fear Of The Duck
old russian strategy: let the enemy deep into your territory and wait for the winter. hitler should have sent the poles.

Re: The Scandal: Madonna compare McCain with Hitler!

Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:03 pm
by Apadamek
Don Lewis wrote:
And sure Germany did well enough for those years till the 40's. Then his all powerful achievements came to nothing, the economy was destroyed his country was fractured and Germany was a tool for US and Russian political games for the next fourty years. Totally worth 15 years of economic rise.

His only mistake was declaring war on the United States after Pearl Harbor, the Russians were doing terribly in the beginning, losing all their tanks and factories. Without the US shipping in tanks and arms and food then Russia would have fallen and the war would have gone on far longer.


lol, dont think for one second declaring war on the US caused hitlers downfall, its the russians that crippled him, who in no way needed any help from the US. Sure they lost tanks and factories, but as they fell further back into russia they literally moved their factories until a point where for every 1 tank destroyed they were pumping out 3 new ones.

Napoleon himself dubbed the mud of russia in the winter as the 5th element as it was impossible to traverse effectively. Hitler had the same problem, he couldnt get resources to the front fast enough and it inevitably collapsed. That was his one great tactical mistake as a ruler imo.

As for him being a good dictator, sure he was an awsome tactical, economical and political leader, its his morals that let him down.

Don.


Don't be foolish, the Russians didn't HAVE any factories deeper in. Take a look at a map of Russia do you see any major cities that aren't clustered around the borders? I doubt you will. Most of Russia is an expanse that especially in World War 2 days barely had electricity, never mind factories.



"Aircraft.............................14,795
Tanks.................................7,056
Jeeps................................51,503
Trucks..............................375,883
Motorcycles..........................35,170
Tractors..............................8,071
Artillery..................................8,218
Machine guns........................131,633
Explosives..........................345,735 tons
Building equipment valued.......$10,910,000
Railroad freight cars................11,155
Locomotives...........................1,981
Cargo ships..............................90
Submarine hunters.......................105
Torpedo boats...........................197
Ship engines..........................7,784
Food supplies.....................4,478,000 tons
Machines and equipment.......$1,078,965,000
Noniron metals......................802,000 tons
Petroleum products................2,670,000 tons
Chemicals...........................842,000 tons
Cotton..........................106,893,000 tons
Leather..............................49,860 tons
Tires.............................3,786,000
Army boots.......................15,417,000 pairs"

that list is what the US delivered to the Russians, not including the massive amounts the UK also sent. That hardly says the Russians are doing fine when they need FIFTEEN MILLION pairs of boots. They eventually recovered their factories and did indeed begin pushing the germans back, but they could never have done it without American and British supplies. Not to say the russians didn't fight hard and show the world they were a force, it's just not all the story.

Hitler was in NO way a tactical genius, he invaded Russia, he attempted a PR damaging civilian bombing attacks on London which started the rumblings of Anti-German sentiment in the USA. He also bet heavily on the British being appeasers. After the Germans invaded Czechoslovakia France and Russia told Britain they were willing and ready to declare war on Germany and end the war there. The English refused, all luck on Hitlers part that he was able to advance as far as he did before the allies started fighting.

Political leader: He was alright until he started eliminating he best lieutenants for ridiculous reasons, becoming mad with power.

Economic Leader: His economic strategies were only good for a country almost totally on a war-time footing or preparing for a war-time footing focusing so heavily on manufacturing etc. The german economy would have collapsed again without a giant war causing demand for various equipment going up.


Napoleon failed in Russia mainly due to their strategy of scorched earth. However he still eliminated many more Russian troops percentage wise then he suffered. His main mistake was taking the wrong route with his army after being ambushed by Cossacks investigating the other path. If he had kept going on the path where he had been attacked he would have been able to get out of Russia with FAR less casualties and been able to mount a defense in Germany.

Re: The Scandal: Madonna compare McCain with Hitler!

Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:06 pm
by Medicus Atrum
Corran Horn wrote:well.. if good dictator is the one that ppl of his country follow and adore, then yes. hitler was definately a good dictator. as for his achievments. he turned germany into pile of rubble (with some help from other annoyed nations like yanks, brits, russians... ) yet ppl still liked him (and some still like him today)... and they are homo SAPIENS... :roll:

for non blood thirsty dictators chack:
- chiang kai-shek
- augusto jose ramon pinochet ugarte


If your going to judge a leader by how much he's loved, look at Kim Jong Ill, lol, he has his entire country brain-washed! @,@

Also, A leader isn't judged on how they were at one point of time/history, they're judged by how the acted as a whole, and as a whole, Hitler nearly destroyed his country.