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Re: McCain or Obama?
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:46 am
by buck
I wont get into it big time, Because im english, Therefore Most of what i see is Pro Obama and Anti McCain (Im not an idiot...I am doing a degree in politics...), But id just like to make one point, Palin Scares the hell out of me, the idea of IF McCain dies, Which i feel he is quite likely too, or even get ill, Palin being in charge of anything, As far as i can tell, Would be very much like the provebial Bull in a China shop. He couldnt have picked a worse running mate if he chose Bob Dole.
Re: McCain or Obama?
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:29 am
by Mordack
APADAMEK! wrote:Earendil wrote:Mordack wrote:I like John McCain. I like him a lot, actually, and I genuinely think he'd make the better president.
My problem is that I really, really don't like Sarah Palin. I'm actually starting to believe that this stupid, stupid woman is going to singlehandedly destroy McCain's chances of election next month. Barely a day goes by when we don't hear about something stupid she's said done or did.
I'm struggling to understand why she was chosen, either. At a time when over eighty percent of the American electorate is disillusioned with the current administration, why does the Republican Party Selection Committee think it makes sense to select a VP candidate who is essentially George Bush in a dress.
One of the John McCain's primary strengths as a candidate, and one of the things I like the most about him, is that he's an independent thinker, and not another 'GGG' drone from the deep south. Adding Palin to his ticket undermines this. Not to mention that the various allegations about her personal life and tenure as the Governor of Alaska are having an equally detrimental effect on the campaign.
I do like McCain, and I do prefer him to Obama, but if he does get elected, and something happens to him, then Sarah Palin will become the leader of the free world, which really isn't something I'd like to see happen. As a result, I'm probably leaning more toward Obama nowadays.
very well said/put.
Palin will ruin McCain, I liked him a lot, and i still do, but not Palin, and between the two choices for P/VP, Obama is taking the lead as I said, sure Biden is cocky and si full of himself, he does have experience and knows about things going on and the situation in all of the world, thing's a 'hockey mom' who says maverick way too much, probably doesn't fully concept and/or understand how to take care of
What are you talking about, Palin has made McCain. Before McCain was a slightly popular republican without any of the republican strengths, he didn't have evangelicals he didn't that much republican support either. Then Sarah Palin comes around with a baby with downs syndrome she refused to abort, a sixteen year old daughter pregnant that she refuses to abort, a patriotic person, most importantly a very faithful person. The religious right has come flocking to McCain, mainly because of Palin.
Romney shoulda been president, not VP.
Haha, I heard someone use this line actually earlier. A columinst in the Times attempted to justify her inclusion by announcing that she'd "united the party and bring some of the more hardline right wing Christian elements of the Republican Party to the McCain cause." Back from where, exactly? Do you honestly believe these Republicans would have been voted for Obama if Palin hadn't come along? Hahah.
Re: McCain or Obama?
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:31 am
by Killer
I am voting for Mc Cain.
1. I think has a backbone. He will stand up for what he believes is right and will not be swayed.
2. He is for a reduced federal government. It is unbelievable how much I pay in taxes every year. Then, every year they want more. I am going to have to work for Joe the Plumber just to reduce my tax burden.
My question to both candidates is: They are promising to bail out everyone from Wall Street, lower my taxes, give almost everyone government health insurance, fix social security, fix medicare, fix out failing roadway and bridges, building power plants, wind mills and balance our trade deficit so that my future grand children are not having to pay for our over excesses now.
I am not a smart man but, how is all of this possible? I think they are both lying.
Re: McCain or Obama?
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:50 am
by Fear Of The Duck
Killer wrote:My question to both candidates is: They are promising to bail out everyone from Wall Street, lower my taxes, give almost everyone government health insurance, fix social security, fix medicare, fix out failing roadway and bridges, building power plants, wind mills and balance our trade deficit so that my future grand children are not having to pay for our over excesses now.
I am not a smart man but, how is all of this possible? I think they are both lying.
and what did ya expect? this is the electoral campaign. this is democracy. if one want's to win one has to say things ppl want to hear. most ppl can't think for themselves so are unable to understand what all this talk really means. on top of that most people don't follow politics all year round so all they know about the candidates is what they learn during the campaign. no wonder the result mostly turns out crap and nobody's happy.
Re: McCain or Obama?
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:54 am
by Apadamek
Mordack wrote:APADAMEK! wrote:Earendil wrote:Mordack wrote:I like John McCain. I like him a lot, actually, and I genuinely think he'd make the better president.
My problem is that I really, really don't like Sarah Palin. I'm actually starting to believe that this stupid, stupid woman is going to singlehandedly destroy McCain's chances of election next month. Barely a day goes by when we don't hear about something stupid she's said done or did.
I'm struggling to understand why she was chosen, either. At a time when over eighty percent of the American electorate is disillusioned with the current administration, why does the Republican Party Selection Committee think it makes sense to select a VP candidate who is essentially George Bush in a dress.
One of the John McCain's primary strengths as a candidate, and one of the things I like the most about him, is that he's an independent thinker, and not another 'GGG' drone from the deep south. Adding Palin to his ticket undermines this. Not to mention that the various allegations about her personal life and tenure as the Governor of Alaska are having an equally detrimental effect on the campaign.
I do like McCain, and I do prefer him to Obama, but if he does get elected, and something happens to him, then Sarah Palin will become the leader of the free world, which really isn't something I'd like to see happen. As a result, I'm probably leaning more toward Obama nowadays.
very well said/put.
Palin will ruin McCain, I liked him a lot, and i still do, but not Palin, and between the two choices for P/VP, Obama is taking the lead as I said, sure Biden is cocky and si full of himself, he does have experience and knows about things going on and the situation in all of the world, thing's a 'hockey mom' who says maverick way too much, probably doesn't fully concept and/or understand how to take care of
What are you talking about, Palin has made McCain. Before McCain was a slightly popular republican without any of the republican strengths, he didn't have evangelicals he didn't that much republican support either. Then Sarah Palin comes around with a baby with downs syndrome she refused to abort, a sixteen year old daughter pregnant that she refuses to abort, a patriotic person, most importantly a very faithful person. The religious right has come flocking to McCain, mainly because of Palin.
Romney shoulda been president, not VP.
Haha, I heard someone use this line actually earlier. A columinst in the Times attempted to justify her inclusion by announcing that she'd "united the party and bring some of the more hardline right wing Christian elements of the Republican Party to the McCain cause." Back from where, exactly? Do you honestly believe these Republicans would have been voted for Obama if Palin hadn't come along? Hahah.
They wouldn't have voted at all. You see when they are that radical about belief's when the candidate doesn't share them they don't vote at all. That may be hard to understand but that's just a fact, Obama and McCain aren't the only two choices, people decide not to vote at all all the time.
Re: McCain or Obama?
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:13 pm
by Sabin le Rose
Maybe this is just the internet.
But I have found that tons and tons of Obama supporters are...
A) Underage.
B) Aren't eligable to vote/won't end up going to the polls for whatever reason.
We just saw it up here in Canada.
The way the media was spinning Elizabeth May (I belive it may be spelt different, please don't quote me on it.) she was going to have her green party win at least a dozen seats.
The Green party won tons and tons of votes. But it all came from the children (Who can't actually vote.), and the idealists. The elderly people, and the middle age all went and voted for the person who can do somthing in an economic crissis, and the war.
What im trying to say, in a nutshell.
The polls, and everything. Mean **** all when it comes to election day.
Re: McCain or Obama?
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:36 pm
by Cole
lol this is funny what I read..
McCain was a really decent dude before he gets twisted by that crap of pressure of his own positions and has to change his positions to follow common views.
I really was surprised to see such dude on republican side. At this time, he really was what he claimed: change, and break out major from bush administration...but then the wish to get votes came in and he stopped be how he was and stopped being different (and interesting).
If I was American, if Obama didn't go in primaries, and if McCain went straight with his first positions...I could have voted for him in presidentship! You hear me well! I, a centrist, could have voted McCain for how he was. That proves why he had so good results in poll, and since he got that palin and changed his positions, he kept dropping. Independants don't need such stuff of being 100% regular republican religious stuff...they would need more a "moderate" McCain as everyone labeled him, rightly.
Republican ok guys for me:
Governator
McCain in start of campaign.
McCain/Schwarzie (VP), that, would have been a good pick!!
Re: McCain or Obama?
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:48 pm
by Kit-Fox
Like Buck i'm not gonna get into this really as i'm English not american but something really gripes me about the reporting and attitudes of a lot people from everywhere about this election
Since when can you have a 'leader' of a 'free' world???
FFS america isnt the be all and end all of the world. it isnt the leader of anything but itself. please try to remember that. thanks
Re: McCain or Obama?
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 1:52 pm
by Sabin le Rose
Kit, no need to be rude.
No inteligent American belives they are what the media makes them out to be.
Re: McCain or Obama?
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:00 pm
by Kit-Fox
I am sorry about coming off rude but its one of those things that really really winds me up. I just cant stand to hear / read it and recently with the us election i've been hearing it a lot.
Yes I do recognise the difference between the 'state' and the people but a lot of what would be called 'normal' people repeat all to often as well
Re: McCain or Obama?
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:04 pm
by Cole
I'm sure most of negative things that can be said about Bush are because of Cheney and the administration.
Hopefully if McCain is elected it's not going to be poisonous admin and close circle..
But with how things are going, Obama is winning so there won't be risks if he's elected!!
McCain WAS interesting and by far BEST republican candidate, as Obama is for democrats...I felt it would be best elections and result would have not been bad no matter who would have won. But things changed...McCain changed his line
Re: McCain or Obama?
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 2:33 pm
by Apadamek
Kit-Fox wrote:Like Buck i'm not gonna get into this really as i'm English not american but something really gripes me about the reporting and attitudes of a lot people from everywhere about this election
Since when can you have a 'leader' of a 'free' world???
FFS america isnt the be all and end all of the world. it isnt the leader of anything but itself. please try to remember that. thanks
it actually is
kinda like how we can tell NATO what to do, kinda like how we can tell the UN what to do, yeah we are the leaders of the "free" world. Call it...call it a prize for saving your asses from the Germans & Japanese and then from the Russians...oh and providing tiny things like Electricity and Nuclear Power.
Re: McCain or Obama?
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 4:47 pm
by Sabin le Rose
APADAMEK! wrote:Kit-Fox wrote:Like Buck i'm not gonna get into this really as i'm English not american but something really gripes me about the reporting and attitudes of a lot people from everywhere about this election
Since when can you have a 'leader' of a 'free' world???
FFS america isnt the be all and end all of the world. it isnt the leader of anything but itself. please try to remember that. thanks
it actually is
kinda like how we can tell NATO what to do, kinda like how we can tell the UN what to do, yeah we are the leaders of the "free" world. Call it...call it a prize for saving your asses from the Germans & Japanese and then from the Russians...oh and providing tiny things like Electricity and Nuclear Power.
*shugs*
Hitler lost WW2 by his own mistakes.
Nuclear power was a joint operation.
And electrictity....k. Thanks. <3
Re: McCain or Obama?
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:01 pm
by Mordack
Kit-Fox wrote:Like Buck i'm not gonna get into this really as i'm English not american but something really gripes me about the reporting and attitudes of a lot people from everywhere about this election
Since when can you have a 'leader' of a 'free' world???
FFS america isnt the be all and end all of the world. it isnt the leader of anything but itself. please try to remember that. thanks
A well known saying amongst diplomats and politicians is that 'when American sneezes, the world catches a cold.'
Whether we like it or not, America is important. They may not be the be all end all, but their foreign and economic policy WILL affect the rest of the world, and that's what makes this election so important.
Re: McCain or Obama?
Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:31 pm
by Kit-Fox
Uh-huh, americas economic & foreign policies only affect the rest of the world for as long as the rest of the world put up with america because believe it or not other countries dont have too and most only seem to have done so for so long as it benefits them too but as soon as it stops doing so (and recently that seems to be more true by the day) countries will start turning around and telling america to get on its bike and pedal on down the road.
All this leader of the free world and manifest destiny stuff is precisely why america is so hated and vilified. Once you stop believing you can do what you like unilaterally then perhaps you'll be ready to interact with the rest of the world on a normal level without acting like a schoolyard bully