StarGateWars Forums

nothing wrong with a few summary executions from time to time, as long as they are low lifes with no real purpose but to exist.

*looks at the nearest american or homeless person*

Semper wrote:nothing wrong with a few summary executions from time to time, as long as they are low lifes with no real purpose but to exist.

*looks at the nearest american or homeless person*

trolling the very forum you moderate

There are many forms of 'police states' and it could be argued that the US along with most of western europe are heading towards states where citizens must justify their existance to the government and not the other way (as we have now, in that we are governed by consent, and that consent can be removed. hence the state/gov must justify itself to us)

Such a move could be considered the makings of a police state, although perhaps we are more approaching something akin to a 1984 meets gattaca situation.

Oh and just for record solid snake, police states dont conduct executions in the street in full view of the public. That creates a martyr, they usually make the person disappear in the middle of the night so no one knows where he has gone, what has happened and who did it (creating a certain level of fear). Once you have been removed you are usually 'processed' in the hopes of gaining a confession, whether you give one or not is irrelevant at this point as you'll still die alone at the back of some building and be buried where no one will ever find you.

Semper wrote:*looks at the nearest american or homeless person*

I see you are looking for an executioner.

like flies to the smell of excretion. I just couldn't resist adding americans in there..but I can say Thriller did not disappoint, Jack you did though.. you know me too well...

On a serious note...towards this topic. All I can say is the people vote in the governments... the people form the governments... we are the people... I have to say though I have no problem with execution. The English certainly used it well with capital punishment and yeah.. how big was our empire again until we largely removed those things from common practise? A very weak point..but im just not committing today as I normally would...I may go away, rethink my thoughts and come back when i can be bothered.

*nods head quietly and walks away looking at his chart*

Britian didnt lose the empire because we withdrew the use of the death penalty. the UK used the death penalty right up till 1969.

And in fact you can still be sentenced to death in the UK for such crimes as High Treason.


edit: sorry about the offtopic, but i had to address that

yes but there is a difference between allowing it for High Treason or just offing the blunderer who failed to subjugate some impoverished region.

Locust Queen wrote:yes but there is a difference between allowing it for High Treason or just offing the blunderer who failed to subjugate some impoverished region.

which is my point..

I was well aware of all of what you said Kit-Fox...

as a little tid bit, the very last man to perform a hanging in the UK, actually worked for my grandad before he died just after his former career was cut short.

I met him a lot in my early childhood, a very nice gentleman. Cannot remember when he died now..

I never disappoint..

A man of genius makes no mistakes. His errors are volitional and are the portals of discovery.

well, here are a few more examples of cops doing things they shouldn't have been doing, all caught on camera which shows that the shooting of an unarmed black man in the back of the head may be an extreme case but is not an isolated incident of a rookie cop getting caught up in something way over his head or ability's!

the first film has 2 clips of cops blocking access to fire hydrants. in the first clip a building is on fire across the road and fireman have no access coz the cop is shopping for donuts.
2nd clip is funny as jimmy justice has a a rant at another cop also blocking access to a fire hydrant

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=052S1yg-z ... annel_page

this film shows a cop using excessive force on a 15 year old girl whose only crime to warrant the excessive force is to be uncooperative.
watch as the cop slams the girls head into the bonnet of his car, punches the girl in the face, then pepper sprays her!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=10VKwULQbb8

there's plenty more where those 2 came from if you look for yourselves, there is footage of cops



jimmyjustice rules!


edit:

looks like i was wrong, the shooting of an unarmed black man is NOT an isolated incident of police incompetence/brutality (take your pick), this polish guy is tazerd to death by cops in Vancouver, looks like police standards are dropping worldwide.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6wYEBd-Mpus

and this is the news report and interview of the guy who got the footage of the killing.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7QTd8vXOh ... re=related

and here's footage of a british afghan/iraq vet getting the crap kicked out of him in a case of mistaken identity by british cops.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jXFMIbkKMMc


these are not isolated incidents of police incompetence but a growing concern of police brutality, some might argue that the world we live in has changed and the use of force (even excessive) is justified but i would ask you to SERIOUSLY consider making such an argument for obvious reasons.

growing from what avenger?, maybe you should brush up on your history concerning civil rights and law enforcement.

regardless of what you read into it, it is an observable fact that policing has become much more of a blunt & brutal tool than it once was. One possible reason for this is the issuing of firearms to police officers, especially in countries where firearms are 'prohibited'

It is also observable that police officers have been caught either breaking laws, or making them up on the spot ( with the purpose of arresting someone they have taken a personal dislike to) Such officers are rarely punished or thrown off the force (at least in the UK) and such incidents also highlight the observable fact that the police are no longer fully aware of the laws they are supposed to be upholding. As such is it really suprising that people dont really like the police anymore? The police are supposed to protect the public, not the government & commerce.

EDIT: btw semper, wasnt having a go was mearly saying that the death penalty was a moot point in the loss of the empire. couldnt tell if you were taking the mickey or not when you suggested it.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:the first film has 2 clips of cops blocking access to fire hydrants. in the first clip a building is on fire across the road and fireman have no access coz the cop is shopping for donuts.
2nd clip is funny as jimmy justice has a a rant at another cop also blocking access to a fire hydrant

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=052S1yg-z ... annel_page

The film is quite fishy, it's the same cop in two different areas...

[KMA]Avenger wrote:this film shows a cop using excessive force on a 15 year old girl whose only crime to warrant the excessive force is to be uncooperative.
watch as the cop slams the girls head into the bonnet of his car, punches the girl in the face, then pepper sprays her!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=10VKwULQbb8

The girl shouldn't have been resisting, the cop could have broken her arm while trying to cuff her, besides that she bit him which is why he maced her, if some crazy chick bit me, I'd do more then mace her.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:looks like i was wrong, the shooting of an unarmed black man is NOT an isolated incident of police incompetence/brutality (take your pick), this polish guy is tazerd to death by cops in Vancouver, looks like police standards are dropping worldwide.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6wYEBd-Mpus

and this is the news report and interview of the guy who got the footage of the killing.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7QTd8vXOh ... re=related

Didn't watch, but you said he was tazer'd, if you don't want cops to shoot someone resisting, and if you don't want them to use tazers, then how can you expect them to do their jobs? That's like telling us to mod, but we're not allowed to ban or edit posts. What?

[KMA]Avenger wrote:and here's footage of a british afghan/iraq vet getting the crap kicked out of him in a case of mistaken identity by british cops.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jXFMIbkKMMc

They mistook him for someone whom was interfering with people's who's job it is to save lives(paramedics). So they tried to arrest him, he put up a fight so they met force with force. The man shouldn't have been fighting the police officers.

Kit-Fox wrote:regardless of what you read into it, it is an observable fact that policing has become much more of a blunt & brutal tool than it once was. One possible reason for this is the issuing of firearms to police officers, especially in countries where firearms are 'prohibited'

Cops here have always carried firearms, so your claim that issuing them firearms has been making them "more brutal" over time is flawed. Not to mention the fact that the way police conduct business today is FAR less "brutal" then in times past, that is unless you want to argue with Bonnie & Clyde, Jesse James, or Texas Rangers who booby trapped fence posts with dynamite so that cutters would be blown to pieces or at the very least scared ****less?

Oh yeah, Avenger, the dude wasn't shot in the head, he was shot in the back. You could see him still fighting with the police after he's been shot.

Jack's Ghost wrote:

Kit-Fox wrote:regardless of what you read into it, it is an observable fact that policing has become much more of a blunt & brutal tool than it once was. One possible reason for this is the issuing of firearms to police officers, especially in countries where firearms are 'prohibited'

Cops here have always carried firearms, so your claim that issuing them firearms has been making them "more brutal" over time is flawed. Not to mention the fact that the way police conduct business today is FAR less "brutal" then in times past, that is unless you want to argue with Bonnie & Clyde, Jesse James, or Texas Rangers who booby trapped fence posts with dynamite so that cutters would be blown to pieces or at the very least scared ****less?

Do you have a problem reading, understanding english or do you just like putting words into peoples mouths by twisting what they said?

here it is again just in case you missed it, I said that policing methods have become more blunt & brutal & they have especially police responses to so called 'minor' crimes. I then suggested that a POSSIBLE reason for this was the issuing of firearms to the police, I did not claim it as fact nor say it was the sole and only reason that could have lead to the situation. I also highlighted that this POSSIBLE cause is much more likely to apply in countries where fireamrs are prohibited by law or did you choose to ignore that bit?

next time a lil more patience in reading would be advised, dont jump the gun so to speak