1-21-09 Bush and the end of an Era, um Error

[Sabin le Rose]

Oh, with Obama?

I like him for somthing things.

But I absolutly hate the fact he has so many people mindlessly following him.
He is good at speaches. But ya know, he has gotten alot of facts wrong.

But like a certain ex president that most americans want dead.
LOLOMG.

[O Neills]

I don't like Bush, and I think he should be executed for treason.

Wow, that is truely insane. I am having trouble thinking of a way to express how insane that is. Infact, I think I will give up trying, because it may be impossible to describe the insanity of that statement. However you have the right to say that, and if you would like to tell me why you think he should be "Executed for treason" I would be more than glad to hear.

Here are my thoughts:

President Bush was a good president. Not an extraordinary President, but good. I did not agree with everything he did, but I did agree with the majority of his decisions.

A presidents primary job is to keep the people of his country safe. Since 911, he has done that. There has not been another terrorist attack in the United States.

I find it sad that he has to leave with the majority of people in the United States not agreeing with his decisions (and some actually hate him and, as I now see, think he should be "executed for treason') seeing that he did a better job than most would have, and certainly better than either of the candidates he ran against.

[Sabin le Rose]

I don't like Bush, and I think he should be executed for treason.

Wow, that is truely insane. I am having trouble thinking of a way to express how insane that is. Infact, I think I will give up trying, because it may be impossible to describe the insanity of that statement. However you have the right to say that, and if you would like to tell me why you think he should be "Executed for treason" I would be more than glad to hear.

Here are my thoughts:

President Bush was a good president. Not an extraordinary President, but good. I did not agree with everything he did, but I did agree with the majority of his decisions.

A presidents primary job is to keep the people of his country safe. Since 911, he has done that. There has not been another terrorist attack in the United States.

I find it sad that he has to leave with the majority of people in the United States not agreeing with his decisions (and some actually hate him and, as I now see, think he should be "executed for treason') seeing that he did a better job than most would have, and certainly better than either of the candidates he ran against.

Exactly. Look at how many other countires had attacks on them for not enforcing a stronger policy.

India, and England come to mind right away.

[Cole]

can anybody name any accomplishments of obama when he was a senator?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gyh8oigxRnk



My favorite Obama quotes:

"But somethings stirring in Selma, Alabama because some folks were willing to march across a bridge. And so they got together, and Barack Obama junior was born"

but wait- obama was born in 1961 and the Selma march was in 1964....


and

"I had an uncle who was part of the first American troops to go into Aushwitz and liberate the concentration camps."

but wait- the Russians liberated Aushwitz....

Well let's not talk of Obama's mistakes considering the full encyclopedia we could write about Bush's ones..

I don't think I even want to have a look at this video..

I think it's pretty pathetic that a guy was voted into presidency because of his race (Yeah, cry all you want about him being a good candidate but don't BS me saying it had nothing to do with race).
If he was white he would be another boring president candidate - fact.

I can't see him doing anything too exciting apart from too much PR and appearances at schools

Some people voted for him because of that, but you seem to miss a point, not everyone is going to vote for such candidate, there are also people who will not vote for him because of that. Ever heard of Tom Bradley election's results in 1982? I think not...reading what you said.

[Biscuit]

I think it's pretty pathetic that a guy was voted into presidency because of his race (Yeah, cry all you want about him being a good candidate but don't BS me saying it had nothing to do with race).
If he was white he would be another boring president candidate - fact.

I can't see him doing anything too exciting apart from too much PR and appearances at schools

Some people voted for him because of that, but you seem to miss a point, not everyone is going to vote for such candidate, there are also people who will not vote for him because of that. Ever heard of Tom Bradley election's results in 1982? I think not...reading what you said.

I have.. don't assume things so easily and I don't believe everything I hear/read.

I will still stand strong with my point that he was voted in mainly because of race but a good part of it was having an opponent who was nearly too old to become the next pope
Look at American laws such as 'Hate Crime' and the one that you must hire a black person. This only furthers the fact that race is still a problem in America and people who claim not to be racist would vote for a black candidate so they can say stuff like "Oh, I'm not racist - I voted for Obama" etc.

I don't care what race the American president is/ever will be simply because I honestly don't care about random people I don't know.

[Spyridon]

I personally don't like Bush to do with the fact of the Iraqi war. I agree that America needs to do what it we can to protect our nation but not when the economy is still fumbling after 9/11 and trying to smear Osama's name with said tragedy. Also the dealing with the environment is a biggie. The Kyoto Accord could have sent American on the green path with the other nations like Japan but no. Plus, the deal the Guatanamo Bay is another thing. That crossed the line and the PATRIOT Act also pissed me off.

[Solus]

Kyoto protocol is a near useless thing. sure, it may have its effect. HOWEVER. it doesnt do anything to the largest industrial countries who in terms of carbon emissions, the worst offenders, because they aparrently 'developing countries'. India and China. we need a system that will FAIRLY reduce and charge carbon emissions for carbon trading, a system that will work far more effectively.

tldr: Kyoto "protocol" is a joke.

~soul

[smooshable]

Kyoto protocol is a near useless thing. sure, it may have its effect. HOWEVER. it doesnt do anything to the largest industrial countries who in terms of carbon emissions, the worst offenders, because they aparrently 'developing countries'. India and China. we need a system that will FAIRLY reduce and charge carbon emissions for carbon trading, a system that will work far more effectively.

tldr: Kyoto "protocol" is a joke.

~soul

The strongest ecconomies, i.e. the ones that are already developed are the ones that have caused the damage in the first place. Over the past two centuries of industrialization we have used far more than our fair share of the atmosphere and have profited greatly from it. It's why child mortality rates, literacy levels and general well being are almost immeasurably better for the West than for 'developing' nations such as India and China. To talk about how unfair it is while their children are dying seems quite callous to me. We've profited greatly from the damage that's been done. Fairness dictates that we take take a major share in fixing the problem.

Jack - how well the economy run if we're all dead? But even with global annihilation aside there is a huge market in 'green' technologies. Japan and Europe are making a lot of money by investing in cleaner energies. I think the point Spyridon was making is that for a small percentage of the money spent turning Iraq into an even bigger hole than it was a lot of these problems could have been addressed.

[semper]

I will miss GW and Tony Blair Super Star. They brought some character into the world of politics with their great bumbles and stupidity and were a large part of the past ten years..which well..were the main years I matured and grew up. So yeah...

Who made this topic title anyway? There are not 21 months *pretends to be stupid for a moment..*

Silly Americans, cannot write the date correctly... 21/01/09...

[Solus]

I will miss GW and Tony Blair Super Star. They brought some character into the world of politics with their great bumbles and stupidity and were a large part of the past ten years..which well..were the main years I matured and grew up. So yeah...

Who made this topic title anyway? There are not 21 months *pretends to be stupid for a moment..*

Silly Americans, cannot write the date correctly... 21/01/09...

lol now its obama and gordon brown........ gordon... heh what kind of a name is that? Tony at least had a ring to it........ "hey tony why dont you die tony!!!!"

tony "bullet tooth" blair. rofl.

seriously tho, times are changing, blair to brown in the UK, bush to obama in the US, Howard to Rudd in Australia........ bleh. im not happy.

and i seemed to miscommunicate my point smoosh, ill try and rephrase. a fairer system should be looked into to help developing countries reduce emissions but not in a way that will cripple them. see as far as im aware, Kyoto seems like a 'pit stop' so to speak that only deals with half the problem when its being treated as a finishing blow to the climate change and all that, or at least in the eyes of the media. Kyoto was used as a political tool in the last election here and the media loved it.

(some info for non-aussies)
didnt help things that most of the political reporters here are pro-labour party, heavily biased. public channels here are ABC (channel 2, Australian Broadcasting Corporation, lol no we dont get american channels unless with pay TV.) channel 7, channel 9, channel 10, SBS and occasionally some community TV stations. 7 and 10 dont report so much politics but they follow the anti liberal party trend somewhat, SBS and community stuff isnt broadly watched apart from specialty shows, channel 2 is primarily run by labour supporters, channel 9's political reporter is extremely biased towards the labour party, and even he is probably the most balanced political reporter on australian free-to-air television.

TLDR: a fairer system would be to encourage these developing countries to reduce emissions in their way rather than leaving them on their own, and with the trend to use kyoto as a political tool has left me unimpressed with it and the general population who dont bother researching but just follows the media's whim. i do respect your opinion however smoosh, you seem to know what youre talking about and have formed an opinion of your own versus following the media blindly.

~soul

[Cole]

If by "race is still an issue in America" you mean that "the American black community loves to moan and groan about imaginary problems" then yes, I completely agree with you!

Hmmm I think Kux Klux Klan and neo nazi movements still exist...yes there are extremists on other "side" too *cough*Jeremiah Wright*cough*..but I doubt that those problems are finished!

Silly Americans, cannot write the date correctly... 21/01/09...

[Dajjal]

Silly Americans, cannot write the date correctly... 21/01/09...

Oh please, we write it the way it is meant to be read. You're the ones that can not write the date correctly.

Hmmm... I write the date then month....



I can't say W was a bad president... I mean, people loved him in '04 and they knew what he was planning on doing...

Also, W was one of America's funnier presidents...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hmz6DVpz0s

[Phoenix of Terra]

W gets a bad rep because he made a couple of assumptions and paid big for them and now people want to find reasons to hate him. If Saddam hadn't set up a grassroots militia (to resist Iranian invasion) that we didn't know about going in, or we had gone in with more troops, Iraq would not have become the debacle it did, or at least not as bad and the media wouldn't have started flying the white flag back in 2004...

[ramen07]

If by "race is still an issue in America" you mean that "the American black community loves to moan and groan about imaginary problems" then yes, I completely agree with you!

Hmmm I think Kux Klux Klan and neo nazi movements still exist...yes there are extremists on other "side" too *cough*Jeremiah Wright*cough*..but I doubt that those problems are finished!

Pops, there are extremists everywhere and while I'm not defending them, when was the last time you heard of the Klan breaking the law on a large scale? The fact of the matter is that all they really do anymore is stroke each others hatred and that so called "hate crimes" is just a gross exaggeration of the media.

Racism isn't an issue for America anymore, however if the black community keeps pushing things like they have been, then it will once again become an issue.

i like how if a white cop arrests a black guy they shout "police brutality!!" and then black people can just spout n___ and call the rest of us crackers and get away with it.

yes, im an american.

oh yeah- dubyah was quite the funny man...

[Phoenix of Terra]

i like how if a white cop arrests a black guy they shout "police brutality!!" and then black people can just spout n___ and call the rest of us crackers and get away with it.

Or how if a bunch of cops(interracial including black cops) beat a couple cop killers silly it's a "hate crime" but when a mob of black people(ALL blacks, no other races) beat a Mexican to death and nearly kill his friend it's not a big deal and they were justified.

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