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so, what your telling me is that, if the kids don't notice anything wrong then its all acceptable?

i'm sorry, but as a father and from that moral standpoint...this is totally unacceptable!

[KMA]Avenger wrote:#-o

so, what your telling me is that, if the kids don't notice anything wrong then its all acceptable?

i'm sorry, but as a father and from that moral standpoint...this is totally unacceptable!

uh yeah... I mean what? do you want couples not to show affection in front of kids? i mean if disney animator jokes are all their exposure to sex is then congratulations, they have led sheltered lives.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:#-o

so, what your telling me is that, if the kids don't notice anything wrong then its all acceptable?

i'm sorry, but from a moral standpoint...this is totally unacceptable!

No, it's not. If you watch a Disney movie with your children and you notice all sorts of sexual innuendo from which you want to shield your (unknowing) children, then who is the one with the problem? Surely not your children, although perhaps they have overprotective parents.. no, it's you who have that problem with Disney.

It's the same as seeing either dolphins in a drawing of a human brain, or sexual activities. I don't know the picture again, but I do remember that if you saw sexual activities, then that is what your mind is primed to look for. Same goes for innocent, unintentional 'innuendo'.
As for the Disney stuff; the drawers are adults. It stands to reason that they put something of their own ideas in their drawings.


There are far worse things perverting morality as the movies of Disney. Ever heard about the Internet? One thing you should keep children away from. Free flow of porn.. sorry, information, my behind.



Morality in itself is a sick and twisted thing. Whoever wants to tie themselves down in the web of right and wrong deserves the instability it gives them. Living your life, actually living it, means living without remorse, regret or looking back. Free of the ties that bind.

Universe wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:
Morality in itself is a sick and twisted thing. Whoever wants to tie themselves down in the web of right and wrong deserves the instability it gives them. Living your life, actually living it, means living without remorse, regret or looking back. Free of the ties that bind.

Trolling?

Morality plays an important role in handling responsibilty and is essential for a group of people to function

but i agree that no child would pick up on any of it, even if the stuff that appears is drawn intentionally, (i didn't when i was a kid). Avenger, i hope you address the issue and frame it properly as a parent and stop worrying about small vague drawings corrupting our youth.

Thriller wrote:

Universe wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:
Morality in itself is a sick and twisted thing. Whoever wants to tie themselves down in the web of right and wrong deserves the instability it gives them. Living your life, actually living it, means living without remorse, regret or looking back. Free of the ties that bind.

Trolling?

Why do you think it's the last few lines of a much longer post?
Besides.. I'm pretty sure Nietzsche wasn't trolling.

Thriller wrote:Morality plays an important role in handling responsibilty and is essential for a group of people to function

As long as you agree with me that morality is an artificial construct, I can cede your point.

Thriller wrote:but i agree that no child you pick up on any of it even the stuff that appears to be drawn in intentionally, (i didn't when i was a kid). Avenger, i hope you address the issue and frame it properly as a parent and stop worrying about small vague drawings corrupting our youth.

Well said.

Universe wrote:

Thriller wrote:

Universe wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:
Morality in itself is a sick and twisted thing. Whoever wants to tie themselves down in the web of right and wrong deserves the instability it gives them. Living your life, actually living it, means living without remorse, regret or looking back. Free of the ties that bind.

Trolling?

Why do you think it's the last few lines of a much longer post?
Besides.. I'm pretty sure Nietzsche wasn't trolling.

Thriller wrote:Morality plays an important role in handling responsibilty and is essential for a group of people to function

As long as you agree with me that morality is an artificial construct, I can cede your point.

Thriller wrote:but i agree that no child you pick up on any of it even the stuff that appears to be drawn in intentionally, (i didn't when i was a kid). Avenger, i hope you address the issue and frame it properly as a parent and stop worrying about small vague drawings corrupting our youth.

Well said.

Good old Neitz, Smart guy, Probably the only man ever to think himself to death.

you guys are excellent at either over-complicating the issues or not giving the issues at hand-the respect they are due

the bottom line is this...those images (whether seen and recognized for what they are by the children is besides the point) don't belong in a family orientated film, regardless of the age of the drawer of these scenes, thats like jason advertising porn sites on your command page in your SGW account simply because he can!
i'm sure allot of you would like that but there are minors playing this game, whats wrong is wrong and that point cant be argued.

You do know that cartoons were invented by adults for adults right?

its only a very modern idea that cartoons are a childs thing. Example would be Who Framed Rodger Rabbit, which is one of your examples. That was not created for children to watch, it was created for adults, its the fault of society and not disney that it has become something for children.

lmao, cartoons have been around a VERY long time, regardless if its for adults or not, children will watch these films and its NOT the parents fault for thinking these cartoons are ok for children to watch, if we are going to go down this road then the blame surely lands squarely on the shoulders of the film classification board, and with the studios who churn out these films for not notifying the film classification board of the age group they are targeting...

but we cant have numbers being slashed at the box office now can we?!

Nowhere did I say cartoons havent been around for a long time, i actually said it was a modern idea that cartoons are for children.

And the blame is society's, not the film censor boards. Society is to blame for not turning around to the film boards and telling them they were doing their jobs incorrectly.

no an equivalent would be if jason took an image of pornography, sized it down to barely noticeable and then put it somewhere where nobody would normally look.

Kit-Fox wrote:Nowhere did I say cartoons havent been around for a long time, i actually said it was a modern idea that cartoons are for children.

And the blame is society's, not the film censor boards. Society is to blame for not turning around to the film boards and telling them they were doing their jobs incorrectly.

anybody else would get the sack and boot out the door if they were in a job they were not suited for.

Harry Ellis wrote:no an equivalent would be if jason took an image of pornography, sized it down to barely noticeable and then put it somewhere where nobody would normally look.

you mean somewhere-where not 100% of the people would look but somewhere not so hidden as to remain 100% unseen,i mean, if no one will see it, what is the point of having it in in the first place??

meh...now your confusing the hell out of me!

the issue is still the bottom line and the bottom line is...THEY DONT BELONG IN ANY FILM UNLESS YOUR WATCHING A PORNO...correct?

[KMA]Avenger wrote:

Kit-Fox wrote:Nowhere did I say cartoons havent been around for a long time, i actually said it was a modern idea that cartoons are for children.

And the blame is society's, not the film censor boards. Society is to blame for not turning around to the film boards and telling them they were doing their jobs incorrectly.

anybody else would get the sack and boot out the door if they were in a job they were not suited for.

Harry Ellis wrote:no an equivalent would be if jason took an image of pornography, sized it down to barely noticeable and then put it somewhere where nobody would normally look.

you mean somewhere-where not 100% of the people would look but somewhere not so hidden as to remain 100% unseen,i mean, if no one will see it, what is the point of having it in in the first place??

meh...now your confusing the hell out of me!

the issue is still the bottom line and the bottom line is...THEY DONT BELONG IN ANY FILM UNLESS YOUR WATCHING A PORNO...correct?

They aren't in the film, they're in the background as an inside joke for the animators. Are you seriously saying that when you watch those films you saw them BEFORE you saw the images? I certainly didn't. I was more concerned about the two mice being chased by alligators then a split second image in a window in the background. I wasn't concerned about stars possibly spelling some word because Simba's dad just freaking talked to him!

[KMA]Avenger wrote:you guys are excellent at either over-complicating the issues or not giving the issues at hand-the respect they are due

the bottom line is this...those images (whether seen and recognized for what they are by the children is besides the point) don't belong in a family orientated film, regardless of the age of the drawer of these scenes, thats like jason advertising porn sites on your command page in your SGW account simply because he can!
i'm sure allot of you would like that but there are minors playing this game, whats wrong is wrong and that point cant be argued.

I'm still not quite sure what you are trying to get at. Kids don't notice these things. You can;t prove that they were put their on purpose by the company. It wasn't professional of the animators, if they did this on purpose but besides that you haven't shown anything wrong coming of this concerning the children who watch( any way you look at it). The only thing the animators accomplished (if they did do this on purpose) was riffling a few over protective parent's feathers.

You are also missing the point that kids love these stories. The stories help develop a sense of hope, imagination, decency and an appreciation of art. They really do bit of good for a child's development. Since you haven't shown any negative effect's concerning your "discovery". I think this issue should die or you need to bring some new information to the table

Btw. Like other's have pointed out your comparison makes no sense.

well, all i have done is show that disney is evil and that filth has no place in a "childs story", have you seen the youtube film i supplied the link to, the one about Beauty and the Beast?

if not, i suggest you watch it and decide for yourself if there is ANYTHING good in a disney film....

if you cant see how bad these films are for yourself after i have supplied AMPLE proof, then you are right, this should die!