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S1eepy wrote:I welcome new players to challenge the top.. What I don't understand.. Is a new player sacrificing his chance at competing to feed someone.. Would seem you are afraid of competing, and are doing so vicariously though the actions of a bigger account.

I really did not see it as sacrificing that much, although now, after seeing the enormity of some of the final numbers this Era, realized I may have given away tons of rankings...

In my short experience in Quantum compared to last Era, I had quadruple the offsite storage I had last Era, 20-30K more raw UP, and played 5 extra weeks (or the whole Era this time) than last Era when I finished Top 20, and spent way more money on contributions (last Era only spent 1 $50 USS to get SS so I could take advantage of the Market). Now I certainly know a few things:
1. I had no idea of gauging the difference in my standing as to the other top players this Era compared to last
2. Just because your stats are super-duper compared to last Era, doesn't mean you are doing WAY, WAY better this Era.
3. Spending more $$$ and playing a whole Era doesn't mean squat in relation to your finish last Era, or your ability to help others and still finish in the Top 10.

Naive, yes, but certainly a learning experience for me... And that is the most satisfying of all. HAHA

Winning a wave without either being fed or spending alot of money is impossible. In fact, getting into the top 5 without being fed or spending lots of money is equally as challenging, and tbh, being fed or spending money is not cheating, as long as the feeders are other players and not multi accounts, so congrats to seijuro, I am impressed with your total victory this wave, but i think all the top 10 spots worked hard for them and deserve congrats

Just seconding all the other posts, congrats to everyone who finished in the top 10 and to Seij and S1eepy for the #1 & #2 spots!

Can't wait till nxt era, hopefully going to better my #15 rank finish this era..

Till then..

Alucard110

Affirmation wrote:I really did not see it as sacrificing that much, although now, after seeing the enormity of some of the final numbers this Era, realized I may have given away tons of rankings...

Well that really depends....how much naq did you give him lol? If you tell me the exact number (within say 100b) i can probably tell you exactly how much difference it made to both your rank and his lol

I'd like to make a post about the so-called cheating that people think might have taken place.

As far as feeding is concerned, I think it depends on the circumstances. If an alliance is helping each other out with naq, then I think that is fair, but if one person is being fed by other accounts, like inactives or multi accounts, this should be regarded as cheating. For example, 1 player having 5 accounts, and using 4 of them to farm and pass the naq to the 5th. Or if one person is buying naq in quantum in return for naq in main from other quantum accounts who are not really playing. I think this should be checked out, if one person is hitting large amounts of ppt naq from the same account, and that account isnt building itself at all, except maybe UP and miners, then that should be considered cheating.

I too am pretty curious about what was happing with all those 'Darth xxx' accounts and where that naq was going, and I have to admit I'm surprised that one person can farm 36trill naq in 3 months.

I personally saved most of my AT's up across the era, and had about 60k turns in the last 2 weeks. Thats about 5,000 12turn attacks. Hitting people at the end of the era for say, an average of 1.5bil naq only comes to 7.5trill naq. If my account was built up a bit better and I was able to hit some of the higher ranked players for say an average of 5bil, then that comes to 25trill naq.

I guess if you could do that, and perhaps with a little bit of feeding from alliance mates, a 36trill naq amount is possible so I'm not going to suggest that Seijuro was cheating, because maybe just maybe it is legitimate, although I have to admit I am curious.

Personally, I refuse to cheat. I want to win as a result of my own strategies and hard work. I wouldnt buy naq from other players, I wouldnt 'feed'. I want to lone wolf my way to 1st place, and beat down the competition.


There is one thing in particular that I DO want to complain about, and that is a particular strategy of Seijuro's that has already been mentioned at least twice on the forum, by Bebita and myself.

On the last day of the era, I built my MS up to rank 2. I knew Seijuro's was rank 1. I massed his MS down maybe 5 or 6 hours before the end, and I checked him very regularly to see if he was rebuilding. About 3 or 4 hours from the end, I caught him attempting to rebuild his MS. He had his Nox setting on, and I had to wait 15 seconds between attacks, but I couldnt always hit because someone or something else was always attacking or spying him. I fought with him for about an hour, and even though I was able to get quite a lot of hits on him, partly due to my good timing of clicking the attack button right on the 15 second interval, but eventually he was able to rebuild, and I had to admit defeat. However, it didnt stop there. As Bebita said, he was unable to spy on Seijuro for the last 2 hours of the Era. I also tried to spy on him very often, and I couldnt either.

When I was massing his MS, I thought that maybe one of his friends was helping to protect him by constantly trying to spy him. I think it would show a lot of loyalty and patience to do that for an hour just to help a friend repair his MS, but this was about 4 hours before the end of the era, and the tactic continued right to the end of the era, and I dont think anyone would sit on one page constantly clicking the spy button for that length of time when Seijuro wasnt really in any danger any more.

In my opinion this is cheating because it is extremely unfair. I think its impossible that another person was doing this, and even if they were, I think that should be considered an unfair tactic. The only thing that seems possible to me is that Seijuro had some program in place that made him spy/attack his own account to block others, or he had a 'multi' account to do that.

This is ridiculous. This is supposed to be a war game, and you shouldnt be able to protect yourself like this. Why not just let it run permanently and have a permanent PPT because nobody can hit you easily. Sure... its possible as I demonstrated, but if you dont time the attack perfectly, you have only a bare chance of hitting the target. This should not be allowed.

So in summary.... I think feeding from friends is ok - as long as they are playing normally too. If people are just logging in to build UP, miners, banksize, and generating naq to pass to someone else, and not really playing properly - this is unfair.

This tactic of Seijuros to prevent people attacking him.... this should be totally unacceptable.

I dont want to see anyone banned, because I look forward to the challenge of facing good opponents.

But Seijuro... if you are using either of these methods to increase your chances, please show some honor and decency.... and PLAY FAIRLY.

I would like to hear from Admin about the strategy I mentioned that prevents people from attacking you. This should not be allowed.

The protected from attacks thing is simple, get someone with v low strike to attack you with 1AT every 15 secs, while being on crit. I had planned on doing it for the last half hour of last wave while I built up, but my friend was late getting online, so didn't manage it.
It's just another tactic, I must say whoever was doing it for seijuro had v good timing, it took me 3-4 attempts to get a cov report on him.. And I had 10 tabs open and spied using all of them over the 2seconds he was vulnerable.

But I wouldn't call the tactic cheating, just very tedious for whoever is doing it for you.

S1eepy wrote:But I wouldn't call the tactic cheating, just very tedious for whoever is doing it for you.

I'd agree, not exactlly cheating, awesome tactic, just need someone willing and able to do it for you!

I can see what you guys are saying..... but do you think someone would do that for SIX HOURS????

I dont know.... it seems highly unlikely to me... and it might be a 'smart tactic'... but its still very unfair.

This is a war game... if you cant bear other people attacking you, why play?

What if you were in rank 1 and you decided your best chance of getting rank 1 was to attack that person, and you couldnt.... and then that person starts attacking you, and you cant retaliate?

Dont tell me you would just do the same, because not everyone has that option.

Personally I think this a BS tactic, and extremely cowardly.

Well, I know what you mean, I'd say change it so that
When you attack someone, they can't be attacked by the same person again for 15 secs, but someone else can attack them after 10 seconds.

This would prevent the same thing happening again, but not greatly change the protection nod gives from a massing.

S1eepy wrote:Well, I know what you mean, I'd say change it so that
When you attack someone, they can't be attacked by the same person again for 15 secs, but someone else can attack them after 10 seconds.

This would prevent the same thing happening again, but not greatly change the protection nod gives from a massing.

very nice indeed
can admin do something like this?
it will save us for next waves for this kind of bs that seijuro trow this wave to us

hi,
nice wave.
i checked out the acct in question for cheat, and found nothing.

that said, my logs of attacks here are (were) not as good as main, so i could not go that far back. i have fixed this. I do not think i'd find much, aside from who the 'friends' were -- i saw no multi.

now - as far as this tactic goes, i do not see how 10sec delay between attacks would help. and it might annoy the massers

what i would propose to stop the 'feeding', or at least tone it down in final rank effect, would be to make 'military experience' count as 1/2 your total rank. thus, if you feed of friendly accounts, lose (or kill) low/no units, etc etc -- you do not benefit as much as now since now you can put it all into ranked stats. also, this would benefit those who did well all era, but lost in the end to a massing, or such...

thoughts?

The delay between attacks would only be when you are on critical.

I'll explain better when I get home, about to lose connection on the tube

Also, making ME ranked to stop feeding is a v bad idea.
The person who fed the most last wave won ME because of it

Forum wrote:hi,
nice wave.
i checked out the acct in question for cheat, and found nothing.

Thanks Admin for a looking into it and clearing my name off.

obviously i would adjust the weighting of the stats to increase weight on killing units/weapons, decrease weight on naq win....

ie - the one who can cause the most damage (not win the most naq) benefits....

the only tough part here would be to balance att&def such that having weak accounts attack you did not benefit your ME. maybe 'massive damage' attacks on you (ie you do massive damage to them, they do not hurt you) do not count...

S1eepy wrote:Also, making ME ranked to stop feeding is a v bad idea.
The person who fed the most last wave won ME because of it

Forum wrote:obviously i would adjust the weighting of the stats to increase weight on killing units/weapons, decrease weight on naq win....

ie - the one who can cause the most damage (not win the most naq) benefits....

the only tough part here would be to balance att&def such that having weak accounts attack you did not benefit your ME. maybe 'massive damage' attacks on you (ie you do massive damage to them, they do not hurt you) do not count...

S1eepy wrote:Also, making ME ranked to stop feeding is a v bad idea.
The person who fed the most last wave won ME because of it

Well the dragons should have weighed quite a lot should also been taken care in the ME. Likewise gods this wave.