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They can't send PM's to the Ombudsman and have him/her commincate that through the proper channels?

judochop wrote:They can't send PM's to the Ombudsman and have him/her commincate that through the proper channels?

No, because if all they sent were pm's they would have never met a mod when the mod was being a mod to have a problem with need for the Ombudsman. Ergo their completely irrelevant when concerned with the Ombudsman.

If they were being used to help an 'investigation', then it is only fair and right that they be made to post what they have to say. The opposition should have every right to nullify their opponents argument in any way they can, part of that is knowing who is saying what. In a court of law you get witnesses who would rather remain anonymous still taking the stands, losing that anonymity.

If a person has never posted, or rarely post's and as such is not known by the community, many questions can be easily raised and destroyed surrounding that person. Are they legit? Are they a multi? So they sent a few forum PM's to people...it is not hard thing to do if you were committed enough to the 'crime'.

Best way to find out if a person is legit or not for a forum issue and event such as Ombudsman voting is post frequency, regularity and overall quantity. Either that or the forum administration do a full investigation into every single voter, in an ideal world yeah...in a realistic one, post count wins.

Im sorry to say, your view is that they aren't in the community because they dont post. My view, and many of my friends(so it seems in msn) is that they can be around the community, and not actively involved. Moreover they can be concerned with the community without actively participating, such as a mother is concerned for their child's life, while not being the sole participant. Ombudsman isn't just some1 to deal with mods, it is the front of the community they are the shiny face you see when you walk into Wal-mart(more wrinkly in mane's case lol)

I for one, try to keep up-to-date on most everything in the forum(when i care) but I don't most, because most of the forum is mud slinging and it tends to pull me down to their level. Very rarely is it where you can fully present your opinion without the nessesary namecalling. I know many others who are the same.

As Gunz knows I can maybe easier then most, be pulled down to that level lol.

judochop wrote:Im sorry to say, your view is that they aren't in the community because they dont post. My view, and many of my friends(so it seems in msn) is that they can be around the community, and not actively involved. Moreover they can be concerned with the community without actively participating, such as a mother is concerned for their child's life, while not being the sole participant. Ombudsman isn't just some1 to deal with mods, it is the front of the community they are the shiny face you see when you walk into Wal-mart(more wrinkly in mane's case lol)

I for one, try to keep up-to-date on most everything in the forum(when i care) but I don't most, because most of the forum is mud slinging and it tends to pull me down to their level. Very rarely is it where you can fully present your opinion without the nessesary namecalling. I know many others who are the same.

As Gunz knows I can maybe easier then most, be pulled down to that level lol.

Dont tell me what my view is, I know what it is and you are wrong lol. That is not what I am saying... Did you read what I wrote? At all? hahaha...

and no it is not possible for a person to remain completely silent with the odd pm and remain an effective member of the community. I study Psychology, I know how this dance works.. and you have this romantic notion that is a pile of absolute pigs dung.

Yes you can be concerned. How many people that live in the US and Uk are concerned with the people in Africa, but have nothing to do with the people there other than the knowledge they are there, they are concerned and a frequent update of just how many more millions have died... Because of that knowledge and concern, are they all of a sudden a member of WHO or Amnesty International? I think not...

And once again, wrong... the Ombudsman is there just to deal with the issues between the mods and the community, that is the whole purpose and sole reason for the Ombudsman's existence. get your facts right.. it is people who think like this that are giving the Ombudsman all this extra bling, when he dont have it.

Its just nonsense Judochop. Your argument does not stand up to any forms of reason... you're wrong.

Wrong wrong wrong wrong...wrong wrong wrong wrong...

you're wrong..

you're wrong..

you're wrong..



had'b done..

Semper wrote:Wrong wrong wrong wrong...wrong wrong wrong wrong...

you're wrong..

you're wrong..

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had'b done..

I hear a Dr. Cox in the room.

I don't read have the drivel you post. Certain jobs have things they have to do that aren't expressly written in the job description. The Ombudsman is the representative of the Community. It is a go between on paper, but in practice it is a bit more.

And AWESOME you study psych. Not everything is analogous to eachother. The situation's you referenced while vaguely similar in precipal, isn't the same one bit.

In your amnesty international drivel, you are making connections were there are none. People are concerned about Africa(not me) but they don't actively do anything about it, they read about it say "Aww shucks" and put down the paper and the thought disapates. By reading the forum, they are a basic practicioner in the grand concept known as this community. THEY are here, they are aware. In the analogy again, posting would be donating $$$ to AID's research/food. They are helping the "cause"

And honestly 1/2 the stuff you say isn't worth the read, most posts have logic quite cylindrical in nature.


Night Night, I'll continue tomorrow, figuring you will obviously attempt to mount a comeback.

All that I will say is this.



Does the ombudsman have the ability to fire the understudy? Because I would consider it given the actions of the understudy.



Before you accuse me of being TG, therefore biased....

I don't even know who you are with nor do I care. Victory or Defeat with grace shows class...Perhaps you should think on that.


Bill

Given the extreme closeness of the vote, I don't think it would be politically wise for him to attempt to remove the understudy nore do I think those powers have been given to him anyway.

perhaps not, but he should remember this.


If he starts undercutting the ombudsman, it will easily be within his right to either call for a review or fire the understudy.


Think of it as a president/Vice president deal. In the usa, it USED to be that the runner up became vice president...But the president always maintained the right to fire the Vice President.

pianomutt20000 wrote:perhaps not, but he should remember this.


If he starts undercutting the ombudsman, it will easily be within his right to either call for a review or fire the understudy.


Think of it as a president/Vice president deal. In the usa, it USED to be that the runner up became vice president...But the president always maintained the right to fire the Vice President.

I do not think that is the case Bill. The President can ask for his resignation but not fire the Vice President

I'd prefer to think that given how close it is, the community can fire them both, especially as slightly different criteria would have lead to a different result, therefore the encumbent should be sitting lightly knowing he doesn't have an over whelming majority backing him up.

why would there need to be any reason to fire me if i play by the rules. perhaps you are forgetting that the understudy is elected to. only time someone can actualy fire me is when i keep breacking the forum rules

or are you saying i can't do the job before it has even started ?

judochop wrote:They can't send PM's to the Ombudsman and have him/her commincate that through the proper channels?

And they need the ombudsman for? PM's are not monitored by mods and there are no rules according to pm's. If they only actively use the pm system it doesnt make them part of the community. For being part of a community you have to be activly involved. Only pm-ing a few people isnt what i would call being involved.

zeekomkommer wrote:why would there need to be any reason to fire me if i play by the rules. perhaps you are forgetting that the understudy is elected to. only time someone can actualy fire me is when i keep breacking the forum rules

or are you saying i can't do the job before it has even started ?

we believe pianomutt was referring to a situation where a understudy starts overturning decisions by ombudsman and generally making a mess of things... he wanted to know then whether it would be possible for ombudsman to fire understudy...

he's NOT saying that you should be fired...