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RepliMagni wrote:When growing up we had something called ALICE tests - they were essentially like the IQ tests, trying to measure different kinds of intellectual aptitudes - mine predicted me 4 D's at A Level, and said I'd go to a rubbish university. Came out with 4 A's, got a first from Durham Uni, and stayed on to do my masters.....funny old world

How do you operationalise such an abstract term as general intelligence? How do you find measurable variables that can encompass such a broad spectrum of things? As Ashu says, such a thing as general intelligence cannot really be quantified

Even if you score lower on an IQ test doesn't mean you cant do well. And IQ tests tend to measure your ability to learn and solve problems etc on the spot, with a smaller focus on what knowledge you posses. So someone with an IQ of 120 who is well read and knows a lot of info can seem a lot smarter than someone with an IQ of 140 who just generally hasn't bothered to learn as much I.E. they are more "book smart". Thats the general idea anyway i guess.

Like in your case, you can be told you wont reach a certain mark, but put the work in and you will.

The tests have memory exercises and all as well. I scored 100% on my short term memory section :/ which surprised me. I keep being told i should go to Uni, but **Filtered** that.

an IQ test as i see it is more a messure of your potential (albiet a very fuzzy one) a friend of mine has an IQ of 92 apparently he's stupid and should have settled for menial labour intensive jobs but he said screw that worked hard and now kills me at uni despite my suposed 151 IQ i only just pass while he scores in the top 10% of all his classes.

oh and it's a science degree not arts that he's doing

Vendetta wrote:

RepliMagni wrote:When growing up we had something called ALICE tests - they were essentially like the IQ tests, trying to measure different kinds of intellectual aptitudes - mine predicted me 4 D's at A Level, and said I'd go to a rubbish university. Came out with 4 A's, got a first from Durham Uni, and stayed on to do my masters.....funny old world

How do you operationalise such an abstract term as general intelligence? How do you find measurable variables that can encompass such a broad spectrum of things? As Ashu says, such a thing as general intelligence cannot really be quantified

Even if you score lower on an IQ test doesn't mean you cant do well. And IQ tests tend to measure your ability to learn and solve problems etc on the spot, with a smaller focus on what knowledge you posses. So someone with an IQ of 120 who is well read and knows a lot of info can seem a lot smarter than someone with an IQ of 140 who just generally hasn't bothered to learn as much I.E. they are more "book smart". Thats the general idea anyway i guess.

Like in your case, you can be told you wont reach a certain mark, but put the work in and you will.

The tests have memory exercises and all as well. I scored 100% on my short term memory section :/ which surprised me. I keep being told i should go to Uni, but **Filtered** that.

Good choice, you wouldn't like it. They have these terrible things called books they force you to stare at for hours.

Thriller wrote:

Vendetta wrote:

RepliMagni wrote:When growing up we had something called ALICE tests - they were essentially like the IQ tests, trying to measure different kinds of intellectual aptitudes - mine predicted me 4 D's at A Level, and said I'd go to a rubbish university. Came out with 4 A's, got a first from Durham Uni, and stayed on to do my masters.....funny old world

How do you operationalise such an abstract term as general intelligence? How do you find measurable variables that can encompass such a broad spectrum of things? As Ashu says, such a thing as general intelligence cannot really be quantified

Even if you score lower on an IQ test doesn't mean you cant do well. And IQ tests tend to measure your ability to learn and solve problems etc on the spot, with a smaller focus on what knowledge you posses. So someone with an IQ of 120 who is well read and knows a lot of info can seem a lot smarter than someone with an IQ of 140 who just generally hasn't bothered to learn as much I.E. they are more "book smart". Thats the general idea anyway i guess.

Like in your case, you can be told you wont reach a certain mark, but put the work in and you will.

The tests have memory exercises and all as well. I scored 100% on my short term memory section :/ which surprised me. I keep being told i should go to Uni, but **Filtered** that.

Good choice, you wouldn't like it. They have these terrible things called books they force you to stare at for hours.

Yes...I realise this. That is precisely the reason it doesnt interest me. Your attempted insult completely backfired. I dont like studying, never have. Bores the crap out of me, to the point where i get so rediculously frustrated with the boredom I cant acctually study. I prefer to pick things up as i go, and as they interest me, rather than sit and force myself to take in a bunch of useless facts that i really couldnt care less about and am probably never going to use again.

Im more into the whole fitness thing, Gym, eating (right), that sorta thing. I'll gladly read new info on such subjects but at my own lesiure and I find I take it in and retain it much better than trying to force it all in before a deadline, for someone who after i finish the course, will know less about the subject than I will.

I think if i really wanna earn big, I'll go ahead and get that electrical apprenticeship, while getting paid to do so. Rather than go and blow thousands on a degree that means jack all, and that probably wont even have a direct role in the menial desk job that i would otherwise get, that pays half as much.

Vendetta wrote:

Thriller wrote:

Vendetta wrote:

RepliMagni wrote:When growing up we had something called ALICE tests - they were essentially like the IQ tests, trying to measure different kinds of intellectual aptitudes - mine predicted me 4 D's at A Level, and said I'd go to a rubbish university. Came out with 4 A's, got a first from Durham Uni, and stayed on to do my masters.....funny old world

How do you operationalise such an abstract term as general intelligence? How do you find measurable variables that can encompass such a broad spectrum of things? As Ashu says, such a thing as general intelligence cannot really be quantified

Even if you score lower on an IQ test doesn't mean you cant do well. And IQ tests tend to measure your ability to learn and solve problems etc on the spot, with a smaller focus on what knowledge you posses. So someone with an IQ of 120 who is well read and knows a lot of info can seem a lot smarter than someone with an IQ of 140 who just generally hasn't bothered to learn as much I.E. they are more "book smart". Thats the general idea anyway i guess.

Like in your case, you can be told you wont reach a certain mark, but put the work in and you will.

The tests have memory exercises and all as well. I scored 100% on my short term memory section :/ which surprised me. I keep being told i should go to Uni, but **Filtered** that.

Good choice, you wouldn't like it. They have these terrible things called books they force you to stare at for hours.

Yes...I realise this. That is precisely the reason it doesnt interest me. Your attempted insult completely backfired. I dont like studying, never have. Bores the crap out of me, to the point where i get so rediculously frustrated with the boredom I cant acctually study. I prefer to pick things up as i go, and as they interest me, rather than sit and force myself to take in a bunch of useless facts that i really couldnt care less about and am probably never going to use again.

Im more into the whole fitness thing, Gym, eating (right), that sorta thing. I'll gladly read new info on such subjects but at my own lesiure and I find I take it in and retain it much better than trying to force it all in before a deadline, for someone who after i finish the course, will know less about the subject than I will.

I think if i really wanna earn big, I'll go ahead and get that electrical apprenticeship, while getting paid to do so. Rather than go and blow thousands on a degree that means jack all, and that probably wont even have a direct role in the menial desk job that i would otherwise get, that pays half as much.

Everything i learned in uni can be applied to a situation; it never hurts to know to much. Just because you don't understand how to apply something, doesn't mean it isn't usefull. Sometimes the things we hate to do are the things we need to do.


But you keep taking the easy way out... stay in your confort zone.

The fact you beleive you will make double than a graduate doesn't correlate with the actual income comparison number's. I gurantee you, you won't like everything that goes with the electrician career but sometimes you gotta tuff it out, merry.

Vendetta wrote:

Thriller wrote:

Vendetta wrote:

RepliMagni wrote:When growing up we had something called ALICE tests - they were essentially like the IQ tests, trying to measure different kinds of intellectual aptitudes - mine predicted me 4 D's at A Level, and said I'd go to a rubbish university. Came out with 4 A's, got a first from Durham Uni, and stayed on to do my masters.....funny old world

How do you operationalise such an abstract term as general intelligence? How do you find measurable variables that can encompass such a broad spectrum of things? As Ashu says, such a thing as general intelligence cannot really be quantified

Even if you score lower on an IQ test doesn't mean you cant do well. And IQ tests tend to measure your ability to learn and solve problems etc on the spot, with a smaller focus on what knowledge you posses. So someone with an IQ of 120 who is well read and knows a lot of info can seem a lot smarter than someone with an IQ of 140 who just generally hasn't bothered to learn as much I.E. they are more "book smart". Thats the general idea anyway i guess.

Like in your case, you can be told you wont reach a certain mark, but put the work in and you will.

The tests have memory exercises and all as well. I scored 100% on my short term memory section :/ which surprised me. I keep being told i should go to Uni, but **Filtered** that.

Good choice, you wouldn't like it. They have these terrible things called books they force you to stare at for hours.

Yes...I realise this. That is precisely the reason it doesnt interest me. Your attempted insult completely backfired. I dont like studying, never have. Bores the crap out of me, to the point where i get so rediculously frustrated with the boredom I cant acctually study. I prefer to pick things up as i go, and as they interest me, rather than sit and force myself to take in a bunch of useless facts that i really couldnt care less about and am probably never going to use again.

Im more into the whole fitness thing, Gym, eating (right), that sorta thing. I'll gladly read new info on such subjects but at my own lesiure and I find I take it in and retain it much better than trying to force it all in before a deadline, for someone who after i finish the course, will know less about the subject than I will.

I think if i really wanna earn big, I'll go ahead and get that electrical apprenticeship, while getting paid to do so. Rather than go and blow thousands on a degree that means jack all, and that probably wont even have a direct role in the menial desk job that i would otherwise get, that pays half as much.

You and I generally see eye to eye Vendetta.. but.. thats a very narrow view for you to have..(I admit.. I have glanced through the post's)...

The fact you do not go to university and embrace your intelligence and concentrate on being fit and the common gym goer is probably more a glaring statement of an insecurity, laziness or lack of confidence than a more 'wiser and mature' path to take. (Laziness.. well you get endorphins from working out.. you don't from wrecking your brain over a book for 2 hours..)

Indeed university is by no means the answer to a successful career, the chosen path for everyone (as everyone is different) or even a lot of money. For example, my granddad did not go past his O-levels and did not do too well in them.. but he is one of the smartest and wisest men I know.. and he is a multimillionaire. He never compensated for it though.. but bad mouthing further education or making himself into a fitness freak.
Of course it is one thing to look after yourself.. but people need to realise others did it for thousands of years without a gym and a treadmill or eating healthily.

The average graduate does make more than the average apprentice though. Where as it is nice for you to go and spend all those years do your electricians apprenticeship...well..erm..thats all you can do. University offers a great deal more. You get your degree to fall back on, work experience amongst all the other courses and things you take part in. Yeah, you get in a bit of debt, but on average most people with a degree get their first job, which makes them enough to pay off that debt with a years pay should they so well choose.

Really though everyone is different. It is wiser to take what life gives you and make the most of it, rather than cruising by, because as far as we know, you only get one shot at it.

(Yes I am slightly over weight...yes I do get girls, and yes I do make a good amount of money and Yes.. I DO go to university)...

Semper wrote:You and I generally see eye to eye Vendetta.. but.. thats a very narrow view for you to have..(I admit.. I have glanced through the post's)...

The fact you do not go to university and embrace your intelligence and concentrate on being fit and the common gym goer is probably more a glaring statement of an insecurity, laziness or lack of confidence than a more 'wiser and mature' path to take. (Laziness.. well you get endorphins from working out.. you don't from wrecking your brain over a book for 2 hours..)

Indeed university is by no means the answer to a successful career, the chosen path for everyone (as everyone is different) or even a lot of money. For example, my granddad did not go past his O-levels and did not do too well in them.. but he is one of the smartest and wisest men I know.. and he is a multimillionaire. He never compensated for it though.. but bad mouthing further education or making himself into a fitness freak.
Of course it is one thing to look after yourself.. but people need to realise others did it for thousands of years without a gym and a treadmill or eating healthily.

The average graduate does make more than the average apprentice though. Where as it is nice for you to go and spend all those years do your electricians apprenticeship...well..erm..thats all you can do. University offers a great deal more. You get your degree to fall back on, work experience amongst all the other courses and things you take part in. Yeah, you get in a bit of debt, but on average most people with a degree get their first job, which makes them enough to pay off that debt with a years pay should they so well choose.

Really though everyone is different. It is wiser to take what life gives you and make the most of it, rather than cruising by, because as far as we know, you only get one shot at it.

(Yes I am slightly over weight...yes I do get girls, and yes I do make a good amount of money and Yes.. I DO go to university)...

Firstly yes i have noticed we tend to have very similar views. But to the point, my post to thriller was meant to be pretty much a direct responce to that post, without too much depth and as such I can definately see why you think im being narrow minded, and where your comming from. I dont choose not go to uni for the sole fact I dont like to study. It's also due to reasons such as not wanting to spend unnessisary money, and years of my life, to do a degree on something I dont really care about, or am overly interested in. Im sure when the time comes that I find such an interest, with a job and uni course directly relating to it, i probably will go and do that. But until that day I am perfectly fine getting by with what i enjoy.

As for the "common gym goer" and being a reflection of insecurities. I dont find that to be the case. The reason i initially started with the whole gym thing was really a mixture of 2 things. I was in school, friend found a good video similar to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlL1hUWe7pE (yes i do that, no, im not as good as some of those guys ) we descided to try our hand at it, simply cause it looked fun, gym linked well with it as it helped build strength flexibility etc and as such made it even better. Secondly, due to my natural competitiveness and desciding I wasnt going to let my friend, who had descided to go to gym on a regular basis etc etc, to get stronger than me. (and he's not so im still winning )

After that i basically just descided i loved going to gym, for me, not for girls, not for vanity, i just love adding another plate to that bar. And if there was a full blown course for personal training i probably would do it, but it's more a 6 week thing. Also, on a side note, I dont beleive in tredmills, if you wanna run, go outside. Get some scenery, meet some people.

Yes, graduates make more than apprentices, but once they are qualified tradesmen they can be earning much more. (obviously depends on the graduates degree and job). I know a guy, granted he has put alot of work in, and he has gone to TAFE (not quite uni) alot to get this far. But he is an electrician, making $280,000 a year, with a complimentary car every 3 years up to the value of $80,000. working 1 week on 1 week off.

Semper wrote:(Yes I am slightly over weight...yes I do get girls, and yes I do make a good amount of money and Yes.. I DO go to university)...

I dont think you implied this at all, but some people do. Just because i go to gym, doesnt mean i riddicule those that dont, and are a bit over weight. And there is nothing wrong with it unless it's going to effect your health, which im assuming it's not. As for girls, gym doesnt get girls. At least none that I care to go after anyway. And im sure most people on this forum go to, or have gone to uni. And good for/on them/you.

Also, a special treat for you semper:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3Nay_pZAXo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpgaOoOaH-c