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u can see my logs now if u wish
all my hits are over 5 bil now
entire era i tried to farm more then anyone farmed from inactive
stay on game over the limit since i have alot of time at disposal
maybe from there over 22 guys polarised me

Sounds to me like TCC started this war against feeders to mask their own guilt, not that im accusing Bebita I can see clearly from his posted logs that its all above board, but it seems odd that these two players have now come to light, now weither they are feeders I dont know but im sure we will find out soon enough..

HippyFool wrote:spuddos name is Tom, and zebrahives name is Mark, both RL friends

It's quite funny how all this happened really. You see spuddo.. Tom was gonna do some farming for me, but bebita took his naq or sabbed him or something and then laughed at him so Tom built up to sab him.

as for your friends
no forum account
never played for rank
never did anything around
friends or just friend proxy?

bebita wrote:

HippyFool wrote:spuddos name is Tom, and zebrahives name is Mark, both RL friends

It's quite funny how all this happened really. You see spuddo.. Tom was gonna do some farming for me, but bebita took his naq or sabbed him or something and then laughed at him so Tom built up to sab him.

as for your friends
no forum account
never played for rank
never did anything around
friends or just friend proxy?

tom???and hippy(jerry)

OK.. so let me get this straight..


VV-------------VV Facts VV-------------VV
Spuddo sabbed bebita
bebita got angry, and found out there was "a link" between hippy and Spuddo

Turns out Hippy and Spuddo are friends, and spuddo agreed to help hippy.
In process of Spuddo helping Hippy, bebita took his naq, and pissed him off.. so he retaliated by sabbing bebita. which started all this off.
^^-------------^^ Facts ^^-------------^^


VV------------VV Speculation VV------------VV
Hippy is a multi because an account was helping him
Hippy used his multi to sab bebita
^^------------^^ Speculation ^^------------^^


My thoughts...

IF hippy had a multi.. and its naq got stolen by bebita, would he draw extra attention to the account by sabbing bebita?

IF hippy was a multi with the account would he farm 60b off it? or would he get more than that... 60b doesn't seem like much to me.. not when I know how good hippy is at farming.
[spoiler]May 01, 2009 Spuddo 61,281,892,485 Naquadah stolen 12[/spoiler]

Why other reason would hippy have for sabbing bebita? Bebita has become less and less a threat to rank 1 over last few weeks, due to his lower armysize, and aggressive nature xP

From what I can make out, it makes more logican sense that someone who was trying to help hippy, got annoyed with bebita for taking the naq (and themselves for helping someone else) so they tried to undo some of the help.



But.. more importantly, I trust Hippy not to be a multi

I had a similar thing with Spuddo. I think it was last era though. I caught him farming and started sniping his naq. Somebody sent me a message saying 'Stop hitting Spuddo please'. Unfortunately I cant remember who sent the message, except it was a high ranked player. I was in the middle of farming so I simply glanced at the message and shrugged and carried on watching him anyway, lol.

To be honest, I have my suspicions about more than half of TCC members of being fed, and there are a great many accounts that dont play for rank and simply PPT regularly, and do some occasional farming.... where does that naq go????

I've seen people asking for more access to peoples attack logs, and I think its a good suggestion. I believe that CO's have access to a limited version of an officers attack log, where you can see everything except the 'details' part?

I'd like to propose that EVERY account has a link to their attack logs, whether you are CO or not. The information will only include - targets, how many turns were used, and how much naq was taken (if any). Attack and defence ratings will not be shown. Then we can truly see who is and isnt feeding.

S1eepy wrote:OK.. so let me get this straight..


VV-------------VV Facts VV-------------VV
Spuddo sabbed bebita
bebita got angry, and found out there was "a link" between hippy and Spuddo

Turns out Hippy and Spuddo are friends, and spuddo agreed to help hippy.
In process of Spuddo helping Hippy, bebita took his naq, and **Filtered** him off.. so he retaliated by sabbing bebita. which started all this off.
^^-------------^^ Facts ^^-------------^^

for that hippy will pay alot

S1eepy wrote:

VV------------VV Speculation VV------------VV
Hippy is a multi because an account was helping him
Hippy used his multi to sab bebita
^^------------^^ Speculation ^^------------^^

speculation
but is a real speculation and is the same like the afirmation of hippy that they are rl friend
jus a SPECULATION FROM BOTH OF US
where admin should check several times

S1eepy wrote:
My thoughts...

IF hippy had a multi.. and its naq got stolen by bebita, would he draw extra attention to the account by sabbing bebita?

IF hippy was a multi with the account would he farm 60b off it? or would he get more than that... 60b doesn't seem like much to me.. not when I know how good hippy is at farming.
[spoiler]May 01, 2009 Spuddo 61,281,892,485 Naquadah stolen 12[/spoiler]

Why other reason would hippy have for sabbing bebita? Bebita has become less and less a threat to rank 1 over last few weeks, due to his lower armysize, and aggressive nature xP

From what I can make out, it makes more logican sense that someone who was trying to help hippy, got annoyed with bebita for taking the naq (and themselves for helping someone else) so they tried to undo some of the help.



But.. more importantly, I trust Hippy not to be a multi

i lost in run because hippy is using another accounts for his play
hippy lost farm fest at begin
but somehow he recover(now we know how)
hippy get tired somewhere at the midlle of wave and he lost over 50 k up in front of me and high empty while we put 50$ ss ingame
somehow he recover that(now we know how)
hippy multi or not
is just a mediocre player who is using another accounts to play
the real conclusion behind all that friend story and fairy tails

ps almost to forget
yes he got only 60 bil because bebita take care of 2 tril that was ready for hippyfool
Apr 30, 2009 Spuddo Sabotage Success 10,000 details
Apr 30, 2009 Spuddo Sabotage Success 10,000 details
Apr 30, 2009 Spuddo Sabotage Success 10,000 details
Apr 30, 2009 Spuddo Sabotage Success 10,000 details
Apr 30, 2009 Spuddo Sabotage Success 10,000 details
Apr 30, 2009 Spuddo Sabotage Success 10,000 details
Apr 30, 2009 Spuddo Sabotage Success 10,000 details
Apr 30, 2009 Spuddo Sabotage Success 10,000 details
Apr 30, 2009 Spuddo Sabotage Success 10,000 details
Time Bomb Defense 313 290000/290000 in the fiorst sab
but he get from the other id 2 tril naq

ahhh and sleepy
i started to mass u for feeding hippyfool
but what a hell
u don;t deserve so much attention
u stop playing 1 month ago
.........

I have a good idea

If you take the idea from main where you see alliance attack logs...and then use it on Q...but instead of alliance attack logs there is just an attack log for everyone to view which shows every hit that every person has done.

That way you can see who is being fed and who isnt

Anyway, i have played enough waves to know that every winner has been fed by someone (or spent $400usd). I have no idea who in TCC is being fed or not, probably some are, but i also know of many other players not in TCC that are being fed too.

Now, don't get me wrong, i love Q, but it is a corrupt game. I have played without being fed...and its simply not possibly to rank well unless all you do is sleep and play Q all day every day which i can't with work, uni, a gf, and a social life.

The funny thing is that if you got rid of all the feeders, and got rid of everyone being fed, Q would probably become almost an inactive server.

I have always stated that i would love Q to be clean of cheaters, feeders and everything, and i was speaking true, but its just not possible.

Whatever happens, this will be my last wave, my name is tainted, and i think it will be good for me to stop this game and focus on my uni work instead.

It's been fun, but its time to end my Q playing once and for all

Yeah, I suggested the attack log thing like 5 posts ago.

As for me, I'm done with quantum. Theres no point playing a game fairly when 75% of other players are cheating.

I'm not really playing for rank in this one anymore, just going to do some massing, and then delete this account.

Wow, an interesting thread for certain... That coming from the guy that admitted to helping feed and old Ally Seijuro Hiko last Era, and got roundly tagged-teamed in the Forums about how my actions were completely and rediculously mis-guided for all these different (and slippery slopped and constantly evolving and changing) reasons. Now I have no idea what to think?? Do I continue to look up to the players who convince me that my actions are wrong (wrong, the Quantum definition of wrong, = any actions that the vocal majority of long standing Quantum players feels are contradictory to them continuing to obtain the Top ranks and you to use similar tactics as them and attempt to do the same... HAHA) but theirs are right because they can manage to justify their actions and have those who will back them up??

I am just confused and unsure what to think now after reading this thread. My heart is saddened and my head is sickened as we do not ever really know what is completely factual other than trusting the patterns and actions of our fellow players over time... Given that I would have to say that the only thing significant in this thread is that the Top players continue to minimize the effects of their actions when called out as "this is OK when WE play it this way because XX reason and here comes my other long time Top player in a reply to back me up..." and the only real benefit is that us Noobs (Noobs because we cannot use tactics that make us successful because they are "Wrong" i.e. see "Quantum wrong" above) continue to play as Noobs, and the Top players continue to be the Top players.

I cant prove or disprove these accusations, nor do I want to believe them as I respect the Top players for their continued success that I would like to obtain. But, and here is the big BUT, every time we see a Top player questioned we seem to get somewhere in the dialogues a completely honest observation or statement of what it takes to be a Top player:

S1eepy in the Era of "Hiko domination" admitted that certain types of feeding are acceptable and he himself used this within his Alliance to obtain a Covert level...

Hippy in this thread gives a raw and honest observation that his experience tells him that most of the Top players in the past were most likely Fed in some way...

My newest observation from this is that I now am not sure of whom to believe when it comes to what is the community acceptable standards of play within Quantum!! Am I being a "smart new player" by getting scolded in the Forums about my playing style and how wrong it is and adjusting accordingly, or am I just being a naive Noob who is getting verbally schooled and steered away from successful tactics by the perennial Top players who feed us a tip or trick or two here and there, but steer us clear of the really successful tactics that they may or may not use themselves to enjoy continued success??

Questions, questions, and more questions... My pitiful brain hurts!!

I choose to continue to play and compete, and try to play the best I can within the rules and within the acceptable "community standards" we seem to hash out here in the Forums. I would like to hope that Hippy and Slug and all of you will continue to play as I would like to play against the best and try to hone my skills!!

I choose to just let the cheaters and butt-wipes who feel the need to play less than honorably do what they do and hope we can beat them down and do our thing in the process and try to keep the game mostly honorable and clean...

Anything else and this part time hobby is not an escape from Real-life but just becomes another tedious reminder of the RL BS I am hoping to leave behind when I hit that Login page!!

Wow, I am really full of shizt tonight....

My last thought: If the two players (spuddo and zebrahives) were to become officers of Hippy, wouldn't that eliminate the whole "these are his feeders" theory?? He could not hit them then...

afirmation mate
i can make a bet with u this"rl" friend of hippy doesn't exists
no live in this comunity from them even if they was created in wave 8 and 9
(thats like 2 years ago)
i refuse to be take like a naive guy

This explains why I cant seem to keep up

Apogryph wrote:This explains why I cant seem to keep up

lol, same here (My sporadic inactivity hasn’t helped)

HippyFool wrote:I think it will be good for me to stop this game and focus on my uni work instead.

Screw Uni, I’d hate to see a player of your calibre leave this game!

S1eepy wrote:IF hippy had a multi.. and its naq got stolen by bebita, would he draw extra attention to the account by sabbing bebita?

IF hippy was a multi with the account would he farm 60b off it? or would he get more than that... 60b doesn't seem like much to me.. not when I know how good hippy is at farming.

S1eepy’s words of wisdom should be more than enough to settle this “dispute” there is NO evidence that Hippy would have a multi let-alone retaliate, using this said “multi” especially over such a measly amount.

Logic:

S1eepy wrote:From what I can make out, it makes more logical sense that someone who was trying to help hippy, got annoyed with bebita for taking the naq (and themselves for helping someone else) so they tried to undo some of the help.

As for feeding, it should be perfectly obvious to anyone that has played for a few eras now, that feeding (cheating or not) win’s eras… A massive bank to stash your NAQ in would help a hell of a lot too..

I would love to see an era where all the accounts that were “active” fought it out using only the funds they could farm using their own skills (and not drawing others in to feed them with massive UU or NAQ “trades” from other servers)

I would love nothing more than a fair fight, there are accounts out there that have stats that aren’t mathematically probable (possible yes, but not probable) for the amount of work that you would have to put into this game to achieve the Super Massive stats (and its not just one good stat, it’s a Super Massive WELL ROUNDED account that blows my mind) I know that there are those of us that will always excel (fed or not) but there are those that are just always that one step ahead of even the most active (non “fed” accounts) and that one step soon turns into two, followed by five then finally their a small speck on the distant horizon… you catch my drift.

I believe that being able to see other accounts attack logs might, at the very least, let accounts keep an eye on any amounts of NAQ going between accounts. I’d certainly be keeping my eyes on any accounts that someone was getting, “regular”, large sums of NAQ from. WOULDN’T YOU! - and that's probably what we'd find, there would be that many ppl looking at any and all accounts that the "bigger" accounts were "scoring" off that i don't think we'd have such a problem.

In doing that the only thing that admin would have to keep a look out for is ppl, interested in feeding, creating a new account and saving for one big, we’ll say “transfer”...... in saying that it would then become clear without any shadow of a doubt which accounts have ppl creating new accounts and giving them one big "hit/transfer/what ever the hell you want to call it!!"...... am i right????

this would then allow "normal" accounts to keep an eye on the "feeders" and sabb their precious weapons when required (as long as they are clearly a feeder account)

I just lost something…. And it was my train of thought! DAMN IT!

Oh well, in closing, I would hate to see Hippy leave our “ranks” (ooo-looky, a double entendre) I don’t believe he’s using multi’s (who the hell has time to juggle more than one account!) and as it should be clear to see it would be crazy to bring attention to a “secret” mutli over a pitiful amount!

I’ve stuck my nose in this far enough for one night, I’ve got to read up on all the fun I’ve missed with being “inactive” (on the forums at least) for a month and a half

Later.