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actually, i did send him a letter a few years back, i got a letter back (sadly, i lost it somewhere between my 3 house moves, along with some Star Wars collectables ) from some liaison or other (not that i was expecting Lucas himself to reply) which stated that they had received many such complaints and that unlike other studios and film makers, Lucas and Lucasfilm do not rely on their films shareholders being pleased, in short they were saying that Star Wars fans will watch Star Wars no matter what and that they couldn't careless if the films were consistent or not.

at the end of the day, what is fact is this, Episode 4 came out of left field and made more money than even Lucas would have imagined. with that kind of success the pressure was on for Lucas to complete the story and others wanted to jump on the Lucas success band wagon and jump into the franchise from the beginning, realizing this could be a problem for the Star Wars timeline, Lucas himself wrote down a timeline of the major events and characters in the Star Wars Universe and all who wanted a piece of the franchise have to go by his timeline...now, what was the purpose of Lucas writing down a timeline if he himself was not going to stick to it?!?!


whether you guys care to admit it or not, there is no fluidity between the prequels and the trilogy.

now as for my proof that Lucas wrote down a timeline and had the back story already written before he even contemplated making the prequels, and that he changed the original backstory to the monstrosity of the prequels?! you'll just have to take my word and grant me some credit that i am not lying...

or you can do as you have been doing, say i dont have a clue and provide no proof that i am wrong

[KMA]Avenger wrote:in short they were saying that Star Wars fans will watch Star Wars no matter what and that they couldn't careless if the films were consistent or not.

Quite right.

I'm not calling you a liar mate, you are clearly upset about it all but i think that level of upset is clouding your judgement somewhat on this issue. The timeline which ytou cite and i have never once denied exists was for the freelancers and it was entirely nessecary to preserve some key points in the story for future possibility of George deciding to actually write something himself. Goodness knows why we would even think George would want to write his story his way and without predjudice to some other persons' views on how said story should be written. The timeline to which you are referring has nothing to do, in my belief, with anything other than non-canon freelance fiction.

Now, if you read, as i have asked you to, the original, second and third drafts of The Adventures of The Starkiller you will find that the prequels are consistent with the way the story began - the only small refinements were regards whether or not Luke/Deak had a brother or whether the story could rest soundly on him being a twin with a hidden sister. The brother was taken out of the story and General Kenobi was (as it always was in the original) tasked to train Luke after his father's fall and the empire's issuance of Order 06 (altered to 66 but hardly inconsistent!).

What you are doing is telling me that George had to stick to a timeline he imposed upon freelancers ATFER he already had the groundwork done for his own ideas on how his story was to be told. I don't feel that George had any such responsibility to stick to this timeline.

lol star wars, it sounds kinda like semper thinks of it as historical fact.

Gearoge Lucas became dead to me the day i saw the new Indie Remake..... >:|

Thriller wrote:lol star wars, it sounds kinda like semper thinks of it as historical fact.

Gearoge Lucas became dead to me the day i saw the new Indie Remake..... >:|

That's odd to me in two ways-

i loved the new indy film.

semper is talking sense, it is avenger who is inconsistent; the proof is plain to see - i have unearthed for you the oldest living draft of the entire 6-9 part story "The Adventures of The Starkiller" and the opening reel to episode one - A Wind To Shake The Stars, AND yet still he says lucas must holdfast to his post ep 4 timeline. i have equal respect for them both but equally both are yet to provide me with any view of why my evidence is not being discussed. in my opinion it is the end of the debate? George had his own ideas and stuck to them - the "inconsistencies" are the result of literary evolution and refinement of thought. Surely?

GhostyGoo wrote:Much like everyone here has ignored my outline of the second draft of the original story, likely, although certainly not exclusively, because it absolutely agrees with the entire of the story eps 1-6. Right down to the destruction of peace and tranquility in the universe due to order 6 (or 66 if you've seen RotS).

sorry pal, i've sort of run down everyone's posts going as fast as i can (for reasons even i'm not aware of ) and have missed much

i've read the drafts and i understand that films, their plots and sub-plots, characters and story lines -need drafts and re-working because what is on paper does not necessarily transfer to film and some things simply wont work at all, so yes, i understand all that but please, what is the point of reading a book and reading something to the effect of "the emperor was so displeased with the loss of the death star that he cut off Vader's hand and had its chief engineer tortured to death to teach him a lesson he would never forget"?

GhostyGoo wrote:Did you know, or realise, that on seeing a new hope in the cinema you were among the first people in existence to hear "laserfire"?

i think i heard that once before, as i'm not 100% sure if i did or did not, i will have to be honest and say, no i was not aware of that

GhostyGoo wrote:I'm not calling you a liar mate, you are clearly upset about it all

i know your not calling me a liar, and what is so upsetting is the fact that, i saw Star Wars at aged 9, that is one of my earliest and dearest memory's, i remember walking down that isle holding dads hand looking for our seats and then standing still and starring up at the screen and seeing that MASSIVE ship going over head. we had missed the opening dialogue and the sound of those engines caught my attention, i would have stood in that spot the whole film if my dad had not yanked me by my arm to sit down. so the next memory i have is talking to my school mates about this amazing film i had just seen and that they should go see it, the next few days all everyone in the school playground and my mates after school used to talk about was Star Wars and that it was episode 4 (which i only noticed after my 3rd viewing of the film in 2 weeks) and what happened to episodes 1,2, and 3. for weeks we asked around and searched for the answer even asking the cinema manager and nobody seemed to know anything.
anyways, we waited and waited and then FINALLY! the news me and everyone else had so impatiently waited for, Lucas WAS MAKING THE NEXT EPISODE
The Empire Strikes Back. upon existing the cinema, i ran down the street with a look of utter amazement on my face (as only one so young can do ) and was even more impatient for the story's next chapter.
after it was announced that the next film was in production and that security was tight to keep the story form leaking and because of prop thefts from the studio while TESB was in production, so rumours were rampant and i remember them distinctly "there's gonna be another death star". "i heard that a piece of the first death star was found in space and they use that to make a new death star". "i here this death star is gonna be twice the size of the first". "i here its gonna be more than twice the size"...
the rumours were priceless and more numerous than i care to remember lol
so, ROTJ gets released and we were not disappointed, i lost count of how many times i went and watched that film, the point is, even tho i was so young, the story bled seamlessly from 1 episode into the next and expanded on things that were already contained within the films,the same cannot be said of the new films, i'm sorry if you guys cannot see that, but its a sad truth, and it has nothing to do with me being upset and my judgement being clouded.

i agree that the prequels are a visual tour de force and John Williams score is impeccable as always (a true genius), and i also agree that we get to see the Jedi in all their splendour and then some, however, i cannot get away from the fact that the story does not bleed seamlessly from the prequels into the trilogy, far from it, if it was a continuation of a road, you have to dodge some very big potholes on your way from the prequels to the trilogy.

GhostyGoo wrote:but i think that level of upset is clouding your judgement somewhat on this issue. The timeline which ytou cite and i have never once denied exists was for the freelancers and it was entirely nessecary to preserve some key points in the story for future possibility of George deciding to actually write something himself. Goodness knows why we would even think George would want to write his story his way and without predjudice to some other persons' views on how said story should be written. The timeline to which you are referring has nothing to do, in my belief, with anything other than non-canon freelance fiction.
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please explain to me the sense and logic of having one set of storyline guidelines for freelancers and another for himself?

yes Star Wars is his brain child and he can do what he likes with it, that's a truth and fact, regardless if 1 person or the world agrees or disagrees with what he does with his brain child....however, i, like yourself and everyone else, am entitled to my opinions, and further more, you say where there was once unity we now have a split camp regarding the prequels...if that doesn't tell you that something is very wrong with the prequels then nothing will.

just in case people misunderstand my feelings on this matter, we are having a friendly adult discussion and i have no ill feelings for anyone here....even tho i am coming across as peeved, its not directed at anyone here


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btw, i went to the west end to see TPM with my brother (who is 1 year younger than me), and we both left the cinema saying the same thing "what the hell was that all about?!?! ", we were not alone, everyone else upon exiting the cinema that we saw had the same look of puzzlement on their faces.


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as for the latest indy film, well i wasn't impressed to be honest, i don't agree with thriller that Lucas is dead in my mind, that's a bit extreme in my view, but i do sympathize with his disappointment.

GhostyGoo wrote:

Semper wrote:you always change things and go back and edit... but edits.. are edits, not sources or inconsistencies.

My sentiments entirely. If you don't like the prequels, don't watch them. I haven't heard you give one single solitary sound reason for not liking them other than your favourite word - inconsistency. The prequels are not inconsistent at all and, if you read the second draft of The Adventures of The Starkiller, you will find that they are, ipso facto.

But they suck...hard.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:Semps, i already told you from the outset that Lucas himself Sanctioned the books and other formats as being accurate by making anyone wanting to write a book, comic or even make a video game-adhere to his AUTHORISED and SANCTIONED timeline...

i have also found the interview i was referring to, and it can be found in this VHS special edition tin which i have 2 sets of, but alas my VHS gave up the ghost about 4 years ago and i never bothered buying another: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Limited-Star-Wa ... B000QVT2PM

not at all...

As I said to you.. Lucas has said.. it's not canon. He just allowed the fans to go off on one to let them think it was their universe.. to empower them.. to keep them dedicated.. to keep them 'in love' with it all..

Thriller wrote:lol star wars, it sounds kinda like semper thinks of it as historical fact.

Gearoge Lucas became dead to me the day i saw the new Indie Remake..... >:|

WELL... as all the films and games have happened and the story lines been published.. and it is in the past, and from Lucas himself.. then they are actually historical fact.. are they not?

I don't remember someone making prerequisites about importance of reality, global/racial significance/impact part of something being factual or historical. (Factual depends on context..after all.. ).

GhostyGoo wrote:

Thriller wrote:lol star wars, it sounds kinda like semper thinks of it as historical fact.

Gearoge Lucas became dead to me the day i saw the new Indie Remake..... >:|

That's odd to me in two ways-

i loved the new indy film.

Harrassy!!! Aliens, ninja/monkey/mayans, Shie Lebeoff, crappy cinematography, CG poeple when there doesn't need to be any. The story sucked, the directing was sub par, it had a wroking formula in place and they **Filtered** it up for an ADD, sub intelligent audience. ....

You made me throw up in my mouth a little.

@semper
factual; in the way that the stories are not fictional. Save your jedi mind tricks, they are wasted on me.

Thriller wrote:@semper
factual; in the way that the stories are not fictional. Save your jedi mind tricks, they are wasted on me.

They're factual about the storyline.