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Greased Gerbil wrote:

Angnoch wrote:the point however is that they are not dissimilar because they all fall into the category of "great reformers" and they all started off in much the same way given a chance by a naive public that they then took advantage of

So this means that United States voters are, as a majority, naive?

Who is the bigger idiot: the idiot that won, or the idiot that couldn't beat him?

that is exactly what it means

and I never once said that any candidate was an idiot Obama is a high intelligent individual im just saying that the public is naive enough to believe any old liar who spouts pretty words

Angnoch wrote:

Greased Gerbil wrote:

Angnoch wrote:the point however is that they are not dissimilar because they all fall into the category of "great reformers" and they all started off in much the same way given a chance by a naive public that they then took advantage of

So this means that United States voters are, as a majority, naive?

Who is the bigger idiot: the idiot that won, or the idiot that couldn't beat him?

that is exactly what it means

and I never once said that any candidate was an idiot Obama is a high intelligent individual im just saying that the public is naive enough to believe any old liar who spouts pretty words

I stand corrected.

But, it shouldn't come as a surprise that ANY politician is a liar. Complete honesty does not garner anywhere near enough support to get elected; unadulterated truths offend too many people.

which is why I called the public naive because they do not want to hear the truth no matter what, they want to hear pretty words and whoever has the prettier words wins and that is naive it should be based on who has the most honest and best chance of helping the country...

Im not in the US, I am in Iraq.

Angnoch wrote:hmmm im starting to sound like Avenger on some fronts......dammit KMA you are rubbing off on me or maybe im just opening my eyes to somethings although I do not believe half of the things you fear I do understand them XD

i dont want to "rub off on you" or anyone else seriously, the only thing i have ever asked from people who read what i write is for you guys to do your own research and draw your own opinions/conclusions...no more no less.

also the last thing i want to be seen as is Chicken Little who runs round screaming the sky is falling, scaremongering is NEVER my intention.


the only thing that frightens me is peoples ignorance and stupidity...

that's not aimed at anyone on these boards, nor should offence be taken by anyone reading it

Rudy Pena wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:well, the man made a host of promises about pulling out the troops from day one, no new taxes, and a whole host of other promises, he's kept none of his promises and now wants to hand TOTAL power to the federal reserve board, nationalize healthcare (great for the UK, not so great for the US), federalize ALL water, including rain puddles with the clean water restoration bill, bring in carbon taxes with the green bills going through right now and a score of other bills directed and destroying the 2nd amendment.

lol rofl OMFrakingG


You have no damm idea about this. lol


Let me fraking tell you something, all of the much smaller FOBs in and around Baghdad have closed as of 1 July 2009. Also on 1 July 2009 all US non-important troops (I.E. Detaining Ops) are not being deployed no more, also on 1 July 2009 all forces in Iraq other than the Iraqi Police and Iraqi Army are now guests of Iraq.


Also effective 2011, all US forces(along with the brits and other countries) will be out of Iraq all together.


So if you want to talk more about, feel free cause I win you lose, just cause the media dont say it, dont mean it anit happening. All this stuff in the news( last month) saying the troops are coming home is **Filtered**, all we did was giving control of Iraq back to the Iraqi Government. And now we are guests of Iraq (like I said earlier).


As for the 2nd amendment, we need a ton of control on weapons its becoming to damm easy for someone to get a weapon nowadays.

mate, if you think Obama will keep his word regarding Iraq then you and your chain of command are sadly misinformed!

i will go on record right now (and yes, you can hold me to my words.) and flat out state that he will NOT bring the troops home. just because the troops have been pulled out of some cities and towns and pulled back to their bases doesn't mean they are back at base packing their bags.

Rudy Pena wrote:Now KMA, please dont reply with.....well I heard this and this and that and heres a link to this one site saying well this is what going to happen or a link to youtube or googlevideo that people filmed their self saying well were not leaving until the year 5034(You know what I mean...we will be in here forever).

i've singled out the above because i take great offence with it. NOT ONCE have i supplied a link to a youtube film of some schmuck whose made some home made movie with a webcam who doesn't have a clue what the hell s/he is talking about and then posts it on some site for all the world to see just how stupid they are!

i try to stick to sites which have hyperlinks to mainstream articles or some other respected source, thank you.

Mikgamer wrote:Hmmm, here is a suggestion for anyone who does not like/agree with Obama...

i cant speak for anyone else here but, this IS NOT about liking or disliking Obama, this is about how the presidency has been usurped regardless of who is in the oval office.
understand that there is no left or right, its the same in the UK.

we had local elections in the UK a couple months back and i was thinking of voting but didn't, everyone was asking me why i didn't vote and my answer was the same to everyone, i don't want to be part of the EU, so who do i vote for?! i cant vote left or right or the middle because all 3 major parties in the UK have entering the EU fully on the agenda without a referendum, so where is the difference?!

Obama offering change is as much a myth as was new labour!

can u call it a myth if he's only been in office 6 months?

[KMA]Avenger wrote:

Rudy Pena wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:well, the man made a host of promises about pulling out the troops from day one, no new taxes, and a whole host of other promises, he's kept none of his promises and now wants to hand TOTAL power to the federal reserve board, nationalize healthcare (great for the UK, not so great for the US), federalize ALL water, including rain puddles with the clean water restoration bill, bring in carbon taxes with the green bills going through right now and a score of other bills directed and destroying the 2nd amendment.

lol rofl OMFrakingG


You have no damm idea about this. lol


Let me fraking tell you something, all of the much smaller FOBs in and around Baghdad have closed as of 1 July 2009. Also on 1 July 2009 all US non-important troops (I.E. Detaining Ops) are not being deployed no more, also on 1 July 2009 all forces in Iraq other than the Iraqi Police and Iraqi Army are now guests of Iraq.


Also effective 2011, all US forces(along with the brits and other countries) will be out of Iraq all together.


So if you want to talk more about, feel free cause I win you lose, just cause the media dont say it, dont mean it anit happening. All this stuff in the news( last month) saying the troops are coming home is **Filtered**, all we did was giving control of Iraq back to the Iraqi Government. And now we are guests of Iraq (like I said earlier).


As for the 2nd amendment, we need a ton of control on weapons its becoming to damm easy for someone to get a weapon nowadays.

mate, if you think Obama will keep his word regarding Iraq then you and your chain of command are sadly misinformed!

i will go on record right now (and yes, you can hold me to my words.) and flat out state that he will NOT bring the troops home. just because the troops have been pulled out of some cities and towns and pulled back to their bases doesn't mean they are back at base packing their bags.

Rudy Pena wrote:Now KMA, please dont reply with.....well I heard this and this and that and heres a link to this one site saying well this is what going to happen or a link to youtube or googlevideo that people filmed their self saying well were not leaving until the year 5034(You know what I mean...we will be in here forever).

i've singled out the above because i take great offence with it. NOT ONCE have i supplied a link to a youtube film of some schmuck whose made some home made movie with a webcam who doesn't have a clue what the hell s/he is talking about and then posts it on some site for all the world to see just how stupid they are!

i try to stick to sites which have hyperlinks to mainstream articles or some other respected source, thank you.

lol, I feel so sorry for you cause you dont know what you are talking about with Iraq.



You know what I meant by youtube links. Youtube links with "offical people saying stuff".


Again I feel so sorry for you cause you have no idea what your're talking about.

will you offer a full retraction when i'm proved right?

i've had the balls to but my money where my mouth is, which should prove to you i have conviction in what i am saying...are you prepared to do the same?

[KMA]Avenger wrote:will you offer a full retraction when i'm proved right?

i've had the balls to but my money where my mouth is, which should prove to you i have conviction in what i am saying...are you prepared to do the same?

I am 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000% right.






What does retraction mean?

lmao...that's a ridiculous statement/number, but hey, i'm game if you are...


i will hold you to it!

Just as long as you answer my question.

INCIRLIK, Turkey (July 29, 2009) -- Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said conditions in Iraq have improved to the extent that the U.S. combat brigade drawdown from the country may accelerate.

"I think there is at least a chance of a modest acceleration" in the drawdown schedule, Gates said during a news roundtable today.

Gates visited Iraq yesterday and today, and was pleased with the progress being made. As part of the U.S.-Iraqi agreement signed in December, American forces turned over responsibility for security inside all Iraqi cities and villages to Iraqi security forces by June 30.

Gates said the process has gone remarkably well. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno, commander of Multinational Force Iraq, said yesterday that all trends are positive, and that Iraqi security forces have shouldered the security burden and run with it.

The modest acceleration may mean one additional U.S. brigade comes out before the Iraqi elections in January. Fourteen U.S. brigades are in Iraq. Plans had called for two to redeploy without being replaced by the end of the year. The acceleration may mean a third can return home without being replaced. This means by the end of the year, only 11 American brigades would be in Iraq.

Any drawdown, Gates said, depends on continued security progress. Ultimately, the redeployment decision will be made only after Odierno's advice, the secretary said, noting that many things still can go wrong. Arab-Kurd tensions, for example, could derail the progress made in Iraq.

"I don't want to put the general on the spot, because it really depends on circumstances that may or may not happen," Gates said. "But I mention it only because I think it is an indicator of his view that things are going pretty well following June 30."

Rudy Pena wrote:Just as long as you answer my question.

my bad, i forgot to answer...


nothing special or anything, just that you acknowledge that i am NOT some insane conspiracy nut bad mouthing your prez because i have nothing better to do...or whatever you like to acknowledge i KNOW what i am talking about since you've made such a big thing about how i don't know what i am talking about.

edit.

LMAO, like i would believe the sun is hot if gates said so


lets just wait and see shall we

oh, ok



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