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CABAL wrote:Not to mention the fact that a 4 day PPT will allow them ample time to collect G&R whilst keeping their def invulnerable.

Yes, even though there's the minimum 14day wait between ascensions... And, the costs for the weapons/levels/training/MS slots would probably double the simple UP Naq requirements

CABAL wrote:

Sarevok wrote:I left that out since you can simply get the G&R first... Then prepare for the ascension.

And if they did train defenders, wouldn't you mass them, to prevent them from achieving whatever bonus they got for 25th level??

err... Note that there ARE people above 500mil armysize in this game (last time I checked), and for people afraid of a high income, they can easily get crit, and an officer.

Sarevok wrote:And CABAL,
You realize that, the number of people with 350UU (not lifers as you said), probably total about 10 ingame... If you trained them into miners at some time during your game play, you would have 35m lifers. Meaning you'd need to have 385UU minimum, and not trained anywhere

Funny, i covered this...
If you can find someone in game, with nothing trained into supers, whom only have 35m lifers, and have no other military units trained, then that's 1 person (only 9 more to find)...
Also, just looked this up for interest sake. (Note, this is only for 23rd ascension, not 25th)
At 1M UP, you would need
# 162,499,999 untrained units and (this is covered in the proposed 350mUU)
# 129,999,999 trained units. (extrapolated to 25th)
So, in essence, your account MUST be AT LEAST 480M in army size. Try maintaining 130M trained units, whilst trying to ascend, without someone finding you out, and killing them off... Especially when the raid cap is at 340M as it stands


I'm not saying the concept is a bad idea. Though as it stands, if you wish to increase the power gap between new players, and people whom have been playing for over 2 years actively, then the current proposed costs are well on their way to achieving this

at x25 you should either unlock a completely new race where by you can gain no uu, no raiding, no trading. This way your UU is based soley on UP from 0. Maybe in return you get a higher plauge limit, but you'd still have to get too it first.
Your MS gets put to 0. but comes back being able to be built more powerfully for less cost.

You should maybe get a few new features as well,
Also 100% AB would be good, or something new entirely.

Maybe you should be able to have more defences on planets or PDP's or smth too for unlocking x25 =)

^ nice i agree with those comments

U should also start with a little NAQ 20T to start you off and some uu's like 500k-1mil just to start you off.

oh and u can pick your own Title out of a list of Titles on the 25th ascention.

+ u should also have an ectra Bonus to you bank size when u reach 25 like u don't lose ur bank size and reset everything alse.

+ the requirement for ascending should have a NAQ requirement

a massive 1 so massive it will stop people from getting their any time soon.

like the total cost of all the NAQ you have spen on your account including ur MS(unlucky for you if u made a 1T strike MS ) Army size Black market rates/cost covert levels etc.

so u would eventually pay so much NAQ that u will have the right to brag forever in this game and u will have the right to own everyone when u reach 300mil+ army size that will be a dark day for all of us but a fun massing day for you.

Hope this helps

Golden

schuesseled wrote:at x25 you should either unlock a completely new race where by you can gain no uu, no raiding, no trading. This way your UU is based soley on UP from 0. Maybe in return you get a higher plauge limit, but you'd still have to get too it first.

Umm... NO!?

Consider what your proposing, even if you had a UP of 2M, it would still take you 200days JUST to get your UU back... Let alone also gaining weapons.
Plus, since you can't buy/trade/raid UU, massing you will be MORE effective, since killing 4m UU would take you 2 days to recover, no matter your Naq reserves.

schuesseled wrote:Maybe you should be able to have more defences on planets or PDP's or smth too for unlocking x25 =)

You want to be able to spend MORE then 1B defense? Which totals to about 220T/planet...
If you were going to do something like this, make the defenses 1-2x more effective and Merlin's giving you 2days/Merlin

Sarevok wrote:

schuesseled wrote:at x25 you should either unlock a completely new race where by you can gain no uu, no raiding, no trading. This way your UU is based soley on UP from 0. Maybe in return you get a higher plauge limit, but you'd still have to get too it first.

Umm... NO!?

Consider what your proposing, even if you had a UP of 2M, it would still take you 200days JUST to get your UU back... Let alone also gaining weapons.
Plus, since you can't buy/trade/raid UU, massing you will be MORE effective, since killing 4m UU would take you 2 days to recover, no matter your Naq reserves.

Hence making it a big costly decision. Ascension was designed to scrap your account back to how you started, not allow you to regather your full army right back. The 25th and hopefully final ascension could then do this for real. Giving you a big challenge never being able to buy/raid UU. But In return you get 100% AB, and hopefully some other cool bonuses to make it worth while. Perhaps you another requirement for x25 is 1 mil u.p, no one who has ascended to x24 will get that anytime soon. This UP is a requirement and you need to then ascend like normal destroy the UU it needs e.t.c e.t.c, but when your account is reset into UP only mode, you get to keep this 1 mil+ raw u.p that you've built.

Id say that makes up for never being able to trade/raid UU again.

schuesseled wrote:Hence making it a big costly decision. Ascension was designed to scrap your account back to how you started, not allow you to regather your full army right back.

schuesseled wrote:but when your account is reset into UP only mode, you get to keep this 1 mil+ raw u.p that you've built.

Contradiction... Reset account completely, but don't reset it completely...

schuesseled wrote:Hence making it a big costly decision. Ascension was designed to scrap your account back to how you started, not allow you to regather your full army right back. The 25th and hopefully final ascension could then do this for real. Giving you a big challenge never being able to buy/raid UU. But In return you get 100% AB, and hopefully some other cool bonuses to make it worth while.

You do realise this is a bad idea? Think about it.

25 times ascended versus ANYONE else, even an unascended account. 25 time ascended will LOSE every time. They can NOT replace there loses, period. yet their opponent can replace them every turn by buying them.

It would a sentance worse then death, and more then likely every one would sit in purge till they got some size on them.

OK my thoughts on this

25th ascention: Yes it should be hard and a pain in the ass to get to but also should be wroth everyone agrees with it.

100% AB: no no no no way sorry but thats just pushing it way to far.

75%: ok thats fine with me but im not decideing so what the hell

Ok heres what i think you should get when you ascend to 25

You get to pick your own asceend name

E.G

Name: Sammael
Red Title: The Betrayer Of Hope
Alliance: [ ♦GENESIS ]
Ascened Title:The Forsaken One

Name: Sammael
Red Title: The Betrayer Of Hope
Alliance: [ ♦GENESIS ]
Ascened Title: Prior of the AJNA

Probably not, since you can do this to confuse your opponent

Sarevok wrote:And CABAL,
You realize that, the number of people with 350UU (not lifers as you said), probably total about 10 ingame... If you trained them into miners at some time during your game play, you would have 35m lifers. Meaning you'd need to have 385UU minimum, and not trained anywhere

Funny, i covered this...
If you can find someone in game, with nothing trained into supers, whom only have 35m lifers, and have no other military units trained, then that's 1 person (only 9 more to find)...
Also, just looked this up for interest sake. (Note, this is only for 23rd ascension, not 25th)
At 1M UP, you would need
# 162,499,999 untrained units and (this is covered in the proposed 350mUU)
# 129,999,999 trained units. (extrapolated to 25th)
So, in essence, your account MUST be AT LEAST 480M in army size. Try maintaining 130M trained units, whilst trying to ascend, without someone finding you out, and killing them off... Especially when the raid cap is at 340M as it stands


I'm not saying the concept is a bad idea. Though as it stands, if you wish to increase the power gap between new players, and people whom have been playing for over 2 years actively, then the current proposed costs are well on their way to achieving this[/quote]

Errm... why 480mil? remember miners = both uu AND trained units

You had to tell people that they do didn't ya

Yes, you are correct in that miners count for both.

I'm seeing some pretty game breaking suggestions here
*votes for keeping it the same =P

Sarevok wrote:[-X
You had to tell people that they do didn't ya

Yes, you are correct in that miners count for both.

Well the thing is...

Andariel wrote:I'm seeing some pretty game breaking suggestions here
*votes for keeping it the same =P

If SGW remains the 'same', then it would lose a lot of players, real quick

Yup, your right there, completely agree.

Change is good to keep things interesting when things don't reset.
Since main doesn't reset... then relevantly frequent updates are needed to keep the game interesting.

Especially things where people can pour resources into to make it more powerful (aka MS and Planets)

Sarevok wrote:Yup, your right there, completely agree.

Change is good to keep things interesting when things don't reset.
Since main doesn't reset... then relevantly frequent updates are needed to keep the game interesting.

Especially things where people can pour resources into to make it more powerful (aka MS and Planets)

Yeh u need to keep the game flowing with new ideas and the

*100% AB and reset are kinda the best we got so far don't u agree.

im stil thinking the NAQ needed to ascend to 25th ascention should be the amount of NAQ spent on your account.

1T MS =800T-1Q NAQ i think.

that would slow down allot of people from reaching 25th.

or u take the NAQ value of your ME the losses and kills so eg.

u killed 200mil defencive soliders u will pay the NAQ worth on the market price (600bil) for them so

-200mil X 600bil = 120T then all the spies and everyhting alse adds up giveing a grand total to the Cost for ascending will be less for the less frequent massers so the ones that can abuse the whole process eg( ME chasers) will haf't to pay a **** load to ascend to 25th giving all of us LG's +AG's a fighting chance.