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[KMA]Avenger wrote:

Brdavs wrote:And how the hell is swapping the dollar with something else and expanding EU or G20 a further bad thing? Its taking power away from one nation if you will, at least as far as the dollar is concerned.

this is your problem right here. you fail to understand that ANY organisation that is made to consolidate power is draining power from the people who are the REAL source of power in the world...

wouldn't you agree that the masses are the real source of power or are you going to tell me that WE the people who gave them the authority to do the things they do are powerless?

understand that building bigger and bigger bureaucracy's does NOT solve ANY problem on this planet!

How is an expansion of the G summit to more and more member states and swapping the dollar for a basket of currenciec a consolidation lol???

Yes the masses are a source of power, and via this reforms the masses of brazil, india etc. etc. get, via their elected representatives, a share of that "power" as opposed to before & the fact that the entire economy of the planet is not tied to one countires currency. I would have thought that was obvious.

The power of the US masses might diminish, but they dont get to cry foul play in all our names lol. They get to cry "were loosing our priveledged position".

Brdavs wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:

Brdavs wrote:And how the hell is swapping the dollar with something else and expanding EU or G20 a further bad thing? Its taking power away from one nation if you will, at least as far as the dollar is concerned.

this is your problem right here. you fail to understand that ANY organisation that is made to consolidate power is draining power from the people who are the REAL source of power in the world...

wouldn't you agree that the masses are the real source of power or are you going to tell me that WE the people who gave them the authority to do the things they do are powerless?

understand that building bigger and bigger bureaucracy's does NOT solve ANY problem on this planet!

How is an expansion of the G summit to more and more member states and swapping the dollar for a basket of currenciec a consolidation lol???

thats the keyword isnt it?! you just answered your own question.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:

Brdavs wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:

Brdavs wrote:And how the hell is swapping the dollar with something else and expanding EU or G20 a further bad thing? Its taking power away from one nation if you will, at least as far as the dollar is concerned.

this is your problem right here. you fail to understand that ANY organisation that is made to consolidate power is draining power from the people who are the REAL source of power in the world...

wouldn't you agree that the masses are the real source of power or are you going to tell me that WE the people who gave them the authority to do the things they do are powerless?

understand that building bigger and bigger bureaucracy's does NOT solve ANY problem on this planet!

How is an expansion of the G summit to more and more member states and swapping the dollar for a basket of currenciec a consolidation lol???

thats the keyword isnt it?! you just answered your own question.

No I havent.

How is Alaska getting a senate spot allongside the other states a consolidation?
I would really like to know this man.

Expansion, I give you, they`re gonna need one more desk and chair, but consolidation?

Jack wrote:

Brdavs wrote:Personally I support it because I`m of belief that national states are one of the biggest blunders of history of humanity that have brought little but suffering. That and the fact that the newley forming multipolar world could use with a coherent counterpart to the lunacy of russia china & the US. For all its flaws, the EU is not seen in the world as a beacon of something more without reason.

The prommise of a integration of nations that were once bitter enemies but are now united in a common pursuit of greater prosperity, equality & justice regardless of national origins gives me hope for our race.
(layed it on too thick at the end? )

You're everything you claim to hate about Americans and then some, it's so cute. *pinches cheek*

But we do it with style, respect and dignity. Even if its less efficient.

Thats why we`re the beacon of hope, and you`re the gun-ho tyrants.

Hmmm it's starting to be quite a stereotypical topic of debate section now.

-> Article(s) from random sites being posted
-> Criticism about said article(s)
-> Requirement of opening the eyes of what's going behind curtain and the masterplan being completed
-> Topic going quickly off original subject
-> Arguing over offtopic facts and forgetting more and more the original topic
-> Dieing when ran out of fuel for argueing offtopicness.

how can you argue a subject such as the EU, its treaty's or constitution when you don't even understand what kind of organization it is, the reason it was created, the real power behind the organization, and its short and long term goals?

understand that its EXACTLY like American wrestling. we can go see a wrestling event and discuss how 1 wrestler beat another for the title and how good it was and the amazing atmosphere and how much blood there was and everything else, then go home still all excited but NEVER looking at the fact that the whole damned thing was fixed and those battling idiots the whole crowed were cheering for are both under contract to the same organization...get it?

[KMA]Avenger wrote:how can you argue a subject such as the EU, its treaty's or constitution when you don't even understand what kind of organization it is, the reason it was created, the real power behind the organization, and its short and long term goals?

understand that its EXACTLY like American wrestling. we can go see a wrestling event and discuss how 1 wrestler beat another for the title and how good it was and the amazing atmosphere and how much blood there was and everything else, then go home still all excited but NEVER looking at the fact that the whole damned thing was fixed and those battling idiots the whole crowed were cheering for are both under contract to the same organization...get it?

I completely agree with that statement, and applaud that analogy.

Out of shere interest, why exactly was in your oppinion the EU created?

Universe wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:how can you argue a subject such as the EU, its treaty's or constitution when you don't even understand what kind of organization it is, the reason it was created, the real power behind the organization, and its short and long term goals?

understand that its EXACTLY like American wrestling. we can go see a wrestling event and discuss how 1 wrestler beat another for the title and how good it was and the amazing atmosphere and how much blood there was and everything else, then go home still all excited but NEVER looking at the fact that the whole damned thing was fixed and those battling idiots the whole crowed were cheering for are both under contract to the same organization...get it?

I completely agree with that statement, and applaud that analogy.

thank you...

you know what Aldous Huxley said?

And here I would like briefly to compare the parable of BRAVE NEW WORLD (Huxley's book) with another parable which was put forth more recently in George Orwell's book 1984. I'm inclined to think that the scientific dictatorships of the future (and I think there are going to scientific dictatorships) in many parts of the world will be probably a good deal nearer to the BRAVE NEW WORLD pattern than to the 1984 pattern, not because of any humanitarian qualms in the scientific dictators, but simply because the BRAVE NEW WORLD pattern is probably a good deal more efficient than the other. If you can get people to consent to the state of affairs in which they are living, the state of servitude, it seems to me that the nature of the ultimate revolution which we are now facing is precisely this, that we are in process of developing a whole series of the techniques which will enable the controlling oligarchy who have always existed, and presumably always will exist, to get people actually to love their servitude. People can be made to enjoy a state of affairs which, by any decent standard, they ought not to enjoy.

And these methods I think are a real refinement on the older methods of terror, because they combine methods of terror with methods of acceptance. Then there are the various other methods which one can think of, for example the pharmalogical method. This one of the things I talked about in BRAVE NEW WORLD. And the result would be that, I mean you can imagine a euphoric state which would make people thoroughly happy even in the most abominable circumstances. I mean these things are possible.

Aldous Huxley, March 20, 1962.



this is the problem with the UN, EU, World Bank IMF, CFR, Bilderberg Group, Trilateral commision, the W.H.O (world health organization), W.T.O (world trade organization), EVERY SINGLE western Govt and all the other 2 and 3 lettered institutions, institutions which we the people should destroy and hate with a passion and place on trial ALL those at the top of these institutions. instead, the people love them!

Can a mod close this topic?
Now I understand why the amount of people visiting/caring of this section became minimal.
With this comes my [temporary] retirement from this section until it becomes more "diversified".
Enjoy people.

actually Jim, more people have been visiting the past few days than usual, look at how many posts your topic got in just 2 days

i'd request it stay open and Jim, i see no comeback from you as usual...

[KMA]Avenger wrote:actually Jim, more people have been visiting the past few days than usual, look at how many posts your topic got in just 2 days

i'd request it stay open and Jim, i see no comeback from you as usual...

No comeback from me? Because this is always the same stuff about general things. Aside of brdavs posts, and kit fox posts, last page(s) have followed the regular offtopicness and same stuff again and again.

I heard some people here are against it. I'm curious to know, what are your reason(s)? (if you are in favour, what are your reasons?)

[KMA]Avenger wrote:how can you argue a subject such as the EU, its treaty's or constitution when you don't even understand what kind of organization it is, the reason it was created, the real power behind the organization, and its short and long term goals?

understand that its EXACTLY like American wrestling. we can go see a wrestling event and discuss how 1 wrestler beat another for the title and how good it was and the amazing atmosphere and how much blood there was and everything else, then go home still all excited but NEVER looking at the fact that the whole damned thing was fixed and those battling idiots the whole crowed were cheering for are both under contract to the same organization...get it?

I am ignorant and slighty stupid...(according to part of the audience)
Yes, I admit, I don't know much yet about this treaty, but seeing how this turned, again, please a mod close this "topic"?
I promise, I will *not* do topics again about what I'm totally ignorant! No worries people! Won't do that mistake twice!
The ignorant fool says goodbye!

fine, you can have your topic back and discuss who is the best wrestler, i promise not to post here again

I will give it another try (but this is last one)...but this time...we only talk about the "wrestlers". I could not care less what's behind the scenes in this topic! If I wanted it to be otherwise, I would have either bumped an old thread on this subject, or made another topic!

Apophis The Great wrote:I heard some people here are against it. I'm curious to know, what are your reason(s)? (if you are in favour, what are your reasons?)
I was too young when vote came in my country and I didn't receive the constitution back in time, therefore my knowledge of said constitution is limited.
I am more likely to consider/listen to pro-EU people's arguments (them being for or against the treaty), naturally...

PS: I know what EU is, I am not ignorant enough to support something I don't know.

For my opinion, I refer you to the second post in this thread, which is the closest to my own opinion.
The issue is not worth spending time writing down my exact thoughts, which would be throwing pearls to the pigs to begin with. In any case, have fun with your modernist crusades, children.