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If the EU is so democratic why were the Irish forced to have another referendum (which is illegal btw) ????

Kit-Fox wrote:If the EU is so democratic why were the Irish forced to have another referendum (which is illegal btw) ????

Illegal is a very strong word.

Care to share what you base it on? If you dont like it/the result does not make it illegal. In my country for instance a referendum on the same question cannot be called inside 1 year. if it does after 13 months you can have your oppionon, but it`s perfectly legal.

Why would this 2nd one be any less democraticall as the 1st one? or the 3rd one in the future about Ireland exiting?

And its a more democratic union than the UK based on that very virtue, that the lisbon treaty enables a country to exit it (cos it was a contract upto now one couldnt just absove itself from it at its conveniance). Wales cant just seceede when they choose to.

EDIT: You know what, you've missed the point & i jsut cant be bothered anymore as its obvious to me that you wont understand it until its too late, but then thats the way it usually goes.

oh well enjoy

EDIT2: KMA/Radiance and anyone else who understood what I was getting at please feel free to pick up the fight as it were if you want to but i suspect you'll soon reach the same conclusion I just did in that its just not worth the waste of your time

basically, you got nothing. gotcha.

Brdavs wrote:basically, you got nothing. gotcha.

Ahh i see the good old tactic of putting words into peoples mouths is still in operation by those who are Pro-EU (well specifically you & Pops really)

That is decidely not what I said & you damn well know it! Dont put words into my mouth it isnt appreciated!

You failure to understand my points, concepts & arguments does not invalidate them.

You never got to the point of why the referendum was illegal. Which is infact, the point.

well now, no it wasnt the point I was trying to make.

I was trying to make some more significant points much earlier on than the mention of the irish referendums.

but since you seem to require an answer here it is....

I should point out that your not going to like it, but nevermind.

It was illegal according to the irish constitution & irish law

and as i've said in the past, it was also illegal for Ted Heath to ram all the trade agreements down the British peoples throats. its stated in plain, clear and precise language that referendum or no referendum, Parliament has NO right to hand over control of the British isles to a foreign power unless defeated in war...

just backing up what KF said

its amazing how quickly topics die around here!

This is a sensless debate since neither one of you actually know the propper meaning of the terms you use, and you just abuse & personally (and wrongly) interpret them to further your point.


Just cos you dont like it doesnt qualify things as illegal, undemocratic etc etc

illegal in what respect...my comment about the UK being part of the EU?


i knew there was life around here somewhere lol

I'm sorry how is the second referendum being illegal to Irish law misinterpreting things. Even the Irish parliment confirmed that as far as Irish law was concerned the whole thing would be illegal.

I told you that you wouldnt like the answer, but thats no need to get insulting. In fact this hasnt been very personal or anything until you posted that (talk about self fulfilling prophecies)

Kit-Fox wrote:I'm sorry how is the second referendum being illegal to Irish law misinterpreting things. Even the Irish parliment confirmed that as far as Irish law was concerned the whole thing would be illegal.

I told you that you wouldnt like the answer, but thats no need to get insulting. In fact this hasnt been very personal or anything until you posted that (talk about self fulfilling prophecies)

Illegal or not, it was just a 'test'. Controversial method yes, but if irish people were against it, they should have voted no in masses again. Then, they couldn't have asked a third time for a vote, and I doubt parliament would have voted it to close the issue. Because afterall, things might have changed since first referundum, and given the small efforts votes require, I don't see why IF Irish people were in majority against it, they wouldn't have come *confirming* the previous result, to prove it wasn't the odds that affected the outcome.

Because they would feel "betrayed"? There was no "restrictions" as far as I know on either referundum, thus, as an act of "revenge" to show they don't give up easily, they should have voted no again, if not with higher numbers.

And yes, it's me who says so...because I am not like some people say, extremly shortsighted thinking the only true way is the one I follow..

Voting isn't a punishment, and many people around the world seem to think so. That isn't directed particularly at this referundum, it's directed towards every opportunity to vote. Some people are like they are forced to vote and find every excuse/reason not to vote. Like if asking your opinion as a citizen was a punishement. That makes me laugh. AGAIN, this isn't directed particularly at this referundum above mentionned!!

The Irish No campaign did try to get people to vote again but lots didnt, as lets face it they danm well knew if they voted no again the bloody EU would just make them do it over & over till they said yes.

As well as that the same thing that happened in the british referendum in the 70s happened during the second irish vote. Which was employers told their workers that they had to vote to yes to the treaty & and anyone found to have voted no would be dismissed immediately. People afraid of losing their jobs at employers who did this would have voted yes whatever their feelings on the whole thing just to keep their job.

It was a sham the whole thing from start to finish & as it was illegal to Irish law a sham that never should have happened.

The EU cannot now claim it is democratic, it isnt. Hell we didnt even get to vote on the new leaders of the EU, how on earth is that democratic?

Kit-Fox wrote:The Irish No campaign did try to get people to vote again but lots didnt, as lets face it they danm well knew if they voted no again the bloody EU would just make them do it over & over till they said yes.

As well as that the same thing that happened in the british referendum in the 70s happened during the second irish vote. Which was employers told their workers that they had to vote to yes to the treaty & and anyone found to have voted no would be dismissed immediately. People afraid of losing their jobs at employers who did this would have voted yes whatever their feelings on the whole thing just to keep their job.

It was a sham the whole thing from start to finish & as it was illegal to Irish law a sham that never should have happened.

The EU cannot now claim it is democratic, it isnt. Hell we didnt even get to vote on the new leaders of the EU, how on earth is that democratic?

Really? Hmm that's one not acceptable to threaten people to vote for this or that, and two, well, they couldn't find out who voted what, as afterall, voting is secret, isn't it?

Also, as I said, I wouldn't see a referundum about same subject being done once again after two attempts..

Well, leaders are elected indirectly by people...