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Re: will the EU collapse?
Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:31 am
by Brdavs
First off, countires can now actually leave the EU. But why would greece want to, it`d add to their woes immensly. EU doesnt provide direct help but it sure as heck holds the rope they`re clinging to to prevent a fall.
2nd off, a country doesnt go under like companies do lol. They`ll cut spending have an unpopular government and the IMF will spot them if worst comes to worse. They`ll pile on external debt. But that wont kill anyone short of a global economic revolution heh.
I mean if the US hasnt kiced it yet, greece portugal spain etc have a long way to go yet heh.
Re: will the EU collapse?
Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:37 am
by [KMA]Avenger
the IMF?
mate, ANYBODY lending money to Greece will NEVER get that money back while they remain in the EU...for the IMF (or any financial institution for that matter) to lend money to Greece would be a disaster on top of their current disaster for the simple reason, the bank will own Greece and any assets she has.
if Greece does go under, it will be no different than a company going under, Greece will be looted, robbed and raped of anything she has left!
country's can leave the EU?
without prejudice and retribution in the form of trade embargoes with the EU? proof please.
the US isnt that far behind Greece, and neither is England as i have already posted:
http://rawstory.com/2010/03/hoyer-greek-debt-crisis/http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/curr ... warns.htmlhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... h--EU.htmlhttp://www.prisonplanet.com/top-nazis-p ... reich.htmlhttp://www.prisonplanet.com/eu-federal- ... reich.htmlIn 1940, Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels ordered the creation of the “large-scale economic unification of Europe,” believing that “
in fifty years’ time [people would] no longer think in terms of countries.” Just 53 years later, the European Union in its current form was established.
if pops and EU supporters dont prove Goebbels correct in the above quote, and that Nazi's are in control of the EU today, nothing does!
Re: will the EU collapse?
Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 4:17 am
by Hitchkok
[KMA]Avenger wrote:In 1940, Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels ordered the creation of the “large-scale economic unification of Europe,” believing that “in fifty years’ time [people would] no longer think in terms of countries.” Just 53 years later, the European Union in its current form was established.
if pops and EU supporters dont prove Goebbels correct in the above quote, and that Nazi's are in control of the EU today, nothing does!
you see, that's the kind of statements that make people reluctant to keep a discussion with you going.
Re: will the EU collapse?
Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 4:27 am
by Legendary Apophis
I'm sure Radiance and many others would agree with me on that, not
everything said/made/thought by nazi system was bad and to avoid at any cost. Even the worst system can say/do/think of good things. I'm sure even Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Pinochet...said interesting and worth considering things despite their beyond unacceptable managing of their country.
As for four reich...people always think of third reich...but you know there was also a first and second reich that despite being authoritarian states, had also their amounts of pros. And yes, I'm french and I'm not diabolizing 2nd reich like I should in theory...but well first I'm not from this time and second I have to admit their grew up well and their criticizable theories were shared by other empires, nothing much different. Context and all as we know.
For a reich you need an emperor. I thought your messiah Farage said EU (council) president has no charisma and stuff like that...
Re: will the EU collapse?
Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 4:31 am
by Hitchkok
Legendary Apophis wrote:I'm sure Radiance and many others would agree with me on that, not everything said/made/thought by nazi system was bad and to avoid at any cost. Even the worst system can say/do/think of good things. I'm sure even Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Pinochet...said interesting and worth considering things despite their beyond unacceptable managing of their country.
i agree, i just want to point out that what was unacceptable with the nazi regime
wasn't the way they managed germany.
Re: will the EU collapse?
Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 5:05 am
by Juliette
[KMA]Avenger wrote:Nazi's are in control of the EU today
Would it be a bad thing to say that perhaps, things would be better if they were?
(I ask this question carefully, because obviously the Nazi's weren't great or anything in
all things.. but by comparison, can any system say it had better governance, bigger growth, a more rapidly increasing employment?)
*grin*
Edit: I see I'm not alone in this.
Re: will the EU collapse?
Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 5:08 am
by [KMA]Avenger
Hitchkok wrote:[KMA]Avenger wrote:In 1940, Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels ordered the creation of the “large-scale economic unification of Europe,” believing that “in fifty years’ time [people would] no longer think in terms of countries.” Just 53 years later, the European Union in its current form was established.
if pops and EU supporters dont prove Goebbels correct in the above quote, and that Nazi's are in control of the EU today, nothing does!
you see, that's the kind of statements that make people reluctant to keep a discussion with you going.
what?
seriously, i'm confused now!!!
MANY top Nazi's and MANY top globalists predicted after the 2nd WW that Germany would rise again and that Nazi's will take over Europe through economic means next time round...
they've ll been proved right, all i did was make a point that there are WAAAAAY to many parallels between the EU and Nazi philosophy to be either accidental or a coincidence, and you think that merits me as being not worth speaking with?
you guys wouldn't know the truth if it was inscribed on a gold bar and dropped at your feet!
WHOOPS!!! did i say that out-loud?!?!
@OB:
Nazi's were great at certain things...is that your question/statement?
if so, then let me ask you this...how "gret" would they have been had Prescott Bush not funnelled billions of dollars into Germany so they could have their "great public works" and rise from the ashes of bankruptcy after the 2nd WW at the behest of the bankers and Rome?
Re: will the EU collapse?
Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 5:11 am
by Legendary Apophis
Offensive Bias wrote:[KMA]Avenger wrote:Nazi's are in control of the EU today
Would it be a bad thing to say that perhaps, things would be better if they were?
(I ask this question carefully, because obviously the Nazi's weren't great or anything in
all things.. but by comparison, can any system say it had better governance, bigger growth, a more rapidly increasing employment?)
*grin*
Edit: I see I'm not alone in this.
Their theory of races and all of that aside, I don't think they would be adapted to nowadays economy and such...
They based most of their economy on war factor and militarian industry. Industrial focus, not third sector focus.
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@ nazi control on EU
Right wing is currently in control of EU (at least EU parliament) doesn't mean that they are necessarly nazis.
Re: will the EU collapse?
Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 5:39 am
by Hitchkok
[KMA]Avenger wrote:Hitchkok wrote:[KMA]Avenger wrote:In 1940, Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels ordered the creation of the “large-scale economic unification of Europe,” believing that “in fifty years’ time [people would] no longer think in terms of countries.” Just 53 years later, the European Union in its current form was established.
if pops and EU supporters dont prove Goebbels correct in the above quote, and that Nazi's are in control of the EU today, nothing does!
you see, that's the kind of statements that make people reluctant to keep a discussion with you going.
what?
seriously, i'm confused now!!!
MANY top Nazi's and MANY top globalists predicted after the 2nd WW that Germany would rise again and that Nazi's will take over Europe through economic means next time round...
they've ll been proved right, all i did was make a point that there are WAAAAAY to many parallels between the EU and Nazi philosophy to be either accidental or a coincidence, and you think that merits me as being not worth speaking with?
let me explain.
the nazi remark is a gross exagaration and a gross logical fallacy. the fac there are parralles does not mean the EU and the third reich are the same. some major differences are tolerence toward homosexuals, retards (i was going to write mentally impaired, but then realised i'm not american
), and anyone not blond, blue eyed, and over 6 feet tall.
i never said you were not worth speaking to.
but i stand by my statement that remarks which are gross exagerations and gross logical fallacies make people reluctant to keep a discusion going.
Offensive Bias wrote:[KMA]Avenger wrote:Nazi's are in control of the EU today
Would it be a bad thing to say that perhaps, things would be better if they were?
(I ask this question carefully, because obviously the Nazi's weren't great or anything in
all things.. but by comparison, can any system say it had better governance, bigger growth, a more rapidly increasing employment?)
*grin*
Edit: I see I'm not alone in this.
yes it would. and don't ake me explain why, youre clever enough to figure it out.
and yes, you are alone, as no one else said the nazi regime is better than the current state.
Re: will the EU collapse?
Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 5:46 am
by Legendary Apophis
I didn't indeed. I just said that not everything coming from nazis were horrible things to reject by any means. Same could be said from other dictators I listed.
I didn't say they could or would be better than what we see now.
As for having a good governance, I would strongly disagree. Economic results were good, that stops there.
Re: will the EU collapse?
Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:29 am
by [KMA]Avenger
Hitchkok wrote:let me explain.
the nazi remark is a gross exagaration and a gross logical fallacy. the fac there are parralles does not mean the EU and the third reich are the same. some major differences are tolerence toward homosexuals, retards (i was going to write mentally impaired, but then realised i'm not american
), and anyone not blond, blue eyed, and over 6 feet tall.
i never said you were not worth speaking to.
but i stand by my statement that remarks which are gross exagerations and gross logical fallacies make people reluctant to keep a discusion going.
i'm not talking about the Nazi philosophy regarding the Aryan race and the ideal Aryan should have blond hair, blue eyes and so on. i am talking about the Nazi philosophy regarding Europe and the Nazi goal of a united Europe, be it through force of arms or through treaties, binding agreements and financial ties.
those are 2 separate and distinct ideals.
and how is it a gross exaggeration?
i mean come on, Nazi's at the end of the war said this would happen. financial tycoons and industrial giants which had direct connections to the Nazi's, either in idealogical or financial support also said it would happen and you deny there is any connection worth looking into?
i dont get it! they said it would happen and its happened. a rose by any other name is still a rose, if you see what i'm saying?
those very same bankers that bankrolled Hitler and the Nazi regime are the same bankers who Brvdas suggested Greece turn to for a loan at the IMF...thats not fallacy, thats in the congressional record in the US and also historical fact because Prescott Bush (GWB's grandfather) was caught channelling funds to the Nazi's.
thats right, the Bush's are traitors!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/se ... ndworldwari'm looking for the quotes and the name of the American senator who testified to congress about the American industrial and financial power brokers looting the US while it was still going through the great depression and sending the funds to Hitler and the Nazi's, might take me a few days because i've forgotten where i put the info. as soon as i find the quotes i'll post them.
Re: will the EU collapse?
Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:43 am
by Juliette
If they were good enough to get the funding, then that is part of their system. Apparently the system is self-sufficient if a fat host is around. Good stuff! The rest of the world is filled with moneybags. Won't miss a few billion for our government. The ijit who says Nazi's were worse than anything else should read something different from their regular history books. American death camps. Soviet, and now Russian murder trains. British concentration 'labour to death' camps. French political corruptness. Arabian terror support. Israeli murder on foreign ground. Iranian slave labour. Indian child labour. Pakistani two-faced terror support and terror fighting. Philippinian death squads. Disappearing global oil funds.
Did I mention these are ongoing situations?
And you tell me I am clever enough to figure out why I cannot ask my questions? The only reason I could think of why such questions would be wrong, is simple. You support them. Why else would you not be outraged? Why else would you not cheer and agree? Oh, there is that other reason. A combination of ignorance and fear. "It cannot be so! It must be a lie. Our government is good. It protects us, it guides us. It leads us to glorious fields of honour.." And death.
Nazi's were worse? Only in the industrialisation of the human destruction. In other aspects, they were ideal. Now you can all go and read just the last line of this and say; "See? She's crazy."
Curving back to our original topic.. no, the EU will not collapse. It would require a united front against them, and there's no need for them. No contemporary system that functions better, anyway.
Re: will the EU collapse?
Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:53 am
by Legendary Apophis
Offensive Bias wrote:[-( If they were good enough to get the funding, then that is part of their system. Apparently the system is self-sufficient if a fat host is around. Good stuff! The rest of the world is filled with moneybags. Won't miss a few billion for our government. The ijit who says Nazi's were worse than anything else should read something different from their regular history books. American death camps. Soviet, and now Russian murder trains. British concentration 'labour to death' camps. French political corruptness. Arabian terror support. Israeli murder on foreign ground. Iranian slave labour. Indian child labour. Pakistani two-faced terror support and terror fighting. Philippinian death squads. Disappearing global oil funds.
Did I mention these are ongoing situations?
I don't see how french corruption can be compared to what nazis did with their Hitler youths and other totalitarian means.
I would rather commite suicide than lose french political system over nazi system.
And you tell me I am clever enough to figure out why I cannot ask my questions? The only reason I could think of why such questions would be wrong, is simple. You support them. Why else would you not be outraged? Why else would you not cheer and agree? Oh, there is that other reason. A combination of ignorance and fear. "It cannot be so! It must be a lie. Our government is good. It protects us, it guides us. It leads us to glorious fields of honour.." And death.
I didn't get it...
Nazi's were worse? Only in the industrialisation of the human destruction. In other aspects, they were ideal. Now you can all go and read just the last line of this and say; "See? She's crazy."
Ideal...oh well that was pretty much like China is nowadays. Difference being it was different political party, but same control, dictatorship, obsession with military sector, job for everyone, etc...
Ideal for YOU maybe. But definitely NOT for everyone. If you want to be a good pet to your almighty leading-by-terror government (which was the case in Germany), then it's your stance. Same as people missing the USSR, or cubans liking Castro's system, it's their stance, doesn't mean it' the best.
Curving back to our original topic.. no, the EU will not collapse. It would require a united front against them, and there's no need for them. No contemporary system that functions better, anyway.
Re: will the EU collapse?
Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:56 am
by [KMA]Avenger
Offensive Bias wrote:[-( If they were good enough to get the funding, then that is part of their system. Apparently the system is self-sufficient if a fat host is around. Good stuff! The rest of the world is filled with moneybags. Won't miss a few billion for our government. The ijit who says Nazi's were worse than anything else should read something different from their regular history books. American death camps. Soviet, and now Russian murder trains. British concentration 'labour to death' camps. French political corruptness. Arabian terror support. Israeli murder on foreign ground. Iranian slave labour. Indian child labour. Pakistani two-faced terror support and terror fighting. Philippinian death squads. Disappearing global oil funds.
Did I mention these are ongoing situations?
And you tell me I am clever enough to figure out why I cannot ask my questions? The only reason I could think of why such questions would be wrong, is simple. You support them. Why else would you not be outraged? Why else would you not cheer and agree? Oh, there is that other reason. A combination of ignorance and fear. "It cannot be so! It must be a lie. Our government is good. It protects us, it guides us. It leads us to glorious fields of honour.." And death.
Nazi's were worse? Only in the industrialisation of the human destruction. In other aspects, they were ideal. Now you can all go and read just the last line of this and say; "See? She's crazy."
Curving back to our original topic.. no, the EU will not collapse. It would require a united front against them, and there's no need for them. No contemporary system that functions better, anyway.
i did so enjoy reading that post sweety
anyways, it was Louis T McFadden head of the house banking and currency commission during the mid 30's i believe, that gave congressional evidence that money was transferred from both the federal reserve and the bank of England to both the Nazi's and the soviets. its a VERY lengthy testimony so i wont be posting it because you would have to read the whole thing as there is no abridged version of the testimony that i can find.
Re: will the EU collapse?
Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:55 am
by Captain Teague