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Thriller wrote:You really want to discuss the question of whether harry potter, LOTR and by extension our imagination destroys our culture/civilization /values? Seriously? Your smatter than that hitchcok.

What's with you religiouse types and double standards. Does Cognitive dissonnance have to be precondition to organised religeon?

Hitchkok wrote:

Thriller wrote:"We cannot and should not cater to the idiocy of absolute morons who believe a **Filtered** book is real"

If i explain it, it ruins the joke that is sandman

read the quote carefully and consider other threads where beleif in books have been discussed.

you've got your point across. sandman doesn't accept it, and franckly, i think he's right.
i don't see any way to decide it short of Julliete herself explaining what she meant.
until that time comes, maybe we can return to topic?

CCTheCapedCrusader™ wrote:lol LOTR is for adults target audience harry THRASH potter is for kids

Juliette wrote:Muddled, like good and evil are in the real world.
So in fact, it's a good book. Just would suck to derive your life's worth from it.
It is, after all, a book. Imagination..

Mister Sandman wrote:

CCTheCapedCrusader™ wrote:lol LOTR is for adults target audience harry THRASH potter is for kids

there are many more factors including LOTR depth into fantasy and its world, the clear contrast between good and evil.

Where HP it is all muddled, and it is inclusive of the real world.

Thriller wrote:Your just talking about creative liscense, for all purposes; harry potter = good, volderdork= bad.

LOL wut? There is know distinction, Harry potter still uses magic, occultism magic. What makes this such a touchy subject is, it is based in the 'real world'. Where other books e.g. LoTR have a complete clear 'world'

But since you can't see the forest for the trees there is not point arguing with you about your selective demonizing of anything you perceive as a threat to your idea of the almighty.

It is not selective demonising, however, there is a active threat turning children towards the occult. As stated previous. (Look back)
Practising of self demonisation ect ect harms society.

Enjoy your witch hunts while they last. Christians have a long history of them from the spanish inquisition.... salem....communists.... harry potter. So you are really only continuing the precedent, on some lvl i can respect your consistency.

Also thanks for quote

I laugh at what you said. Why? witch Hunts so you speak of, are not limited to 'Christianity' Take for example, communist:- which hunt of the Americans duh! not Christians.
Infact the Christian doctrine is close to the ideal of communism.

Witch Hunts under atheism:- Eliminating the educated people. - Mao, Stalin ect..

The terrorism Witch Hunt: again America and most of the world.

This is not mentioning that 'witch hunts' happen if you are Christian, in some countries.

I can go on.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:like many words the word "occult" has a few meanings, but from what i've been able to defer, the word "occult"'s true meaning is "hidden".

The word occult comes from the Latin word occultus (clandestine, hidden, secret), referring to "knowledge of the hidden".

i think a distinction between occult (referring to occult as meaning something "supernatural") and witchcraft should be made.

long story short, if you mean "witchcraft" dont use the word "occult"...its confusing the hell out of me

Mister Sandman wrote:

Thriller wrote:Your just talking about creative liscense, for all purposes; harry potter = good, volderdork= bad.

LOL wut? There is know distinction, Harry potter still uses magic, occultism magic. What makes this such a touchy subject is, it is based in the 'real world'. Where other books e.g. LoTR have a complete clear 'world'

But since you can't see the forest for the trees there is not point arguing with you about your selective demonizing of anything you perceive as a threat to your idea of the almighty.

It is not selective demonising, however, there is a active threat turning children towards the occult. As stated previous. (Look back)
Practising of self demonisation ect ect harms society.

Enjoy your witch hunts while they last. Christians have a long history of them from the spanish inquisition.... salem....communists.... harry potter. So you are really only continuing the precedent, on some lvl i can respect your consistency.

Also thanks for quote

I laugh at what you said. Why? witch Hunts so you speak of, are not limited to 'Christianity' Take for example, communist:- which hunt of the Americans duh! not Christians.
Infact the Christian doctrine is close to the ideal of communism.

Witch Hunts under atheism:- Eliminating the educated people. - Mao, Stalin ect..

The terrorism Witch Hunt: again America and most of the world.

This is not mentioning that 'witch hunts' happen if you are Christian, in some countries.

I can go on.

Thriller wrote:

Mister Sandman wrote:

Thriller wrote:Your just talking about creative liscense, for all purposes; harry potter = good, volderdork= bad.

LOL wut? There is know distinction, Harry potter still uses magic, occultism magic. What makes this such a touchy subject is, it is based in the 'real world'. Where other books e.g. LoTR have a complete clear 'world'

I want to be cool and be involved in a direct response within a quote ....first off there is a a KNOWN distinction not know distinction which I think you meant to say NO distinction. There is as Harry Potter can love and Voldemort is unable to, and therefore he is bad and Harry is good. Magic is simply the medium by which they duel, it's fantastical nature has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the morals of the story, it is simply a plot device. LoTR is not a clear world, it is terribly wrought with magic, Tom Bombadil is a clear and effortless personification of Magic, he controls nature effortlessly, and Gandalf along with the rest of the Istari or Wizards, are magical in nature. The Great Rings are all magical, and are used to benefit or destroy the world around the wielders. Sauron was a shapeshifter and the lead Nazgul was The WITCH KING of Angmar...do not say that there is no mystical properties in LoTR, it is far from a clear world, one could argue that it is more deeply entrenched with magic than Harry Potter.

But since you can't see the forest for the trees there is not point arguing with you about your selective demonizing of anything you perceive as a threat to your idea of the almighty.

It is not selective demonising, however, there is a active threat turning children towards the occult. As stated previous. (Look back)
Practising of self demonisation ect ect harms society.

It is most assuredly a selective attack, they are singling out a single book because it is very wide spread, and highly popular, and although it will never out sell the bible, with the younger generation it has far more appeal, and is therefore seen as a more influential factor amongst young children, even if it preaches that love is the be all end all of existence. The magical aspect is the factor that is chosen to be important, not the morals, or lessons, just the magic. That my friend is selective, and therefore your assertion that it turns children to pagan religions is unfounded.



Enjoy your witch hunts while they last. Christians have a long history of them from the spanish inquisition.... salem....communists.... harry potter. So you are really only continuing the precedent, on some lvl i can respect your consistency.

Also thanks for quote

I laugh at what you said. Why? witch Hunts so you speak of, are not limited to 'Christianity' Take for example, communist:- which hunt of the Americans duh! not Christians.
Infact the Christian doctrine is close to the ideal of communism.

Witch Hunts under atheism:- Eliminating the educated people. - Mao, Stalin ect..

The terrorism Witch Hunt: again America and most of the world.

This is not mentioning that 'witch hunts' happen if you are Christian, in some countries.

I can go on.


Yes you certainly can go on, but just as you go on the list of Christian's persecuting their fellow man simply for being a little difference also goes on. Organized religion has caused more deaths than anything else in Human History, just look at the crusades for examples of brain washing. If you go and fight these children of Abraham in the desert, you will automatically be granted a place in Heaven and all of your sins shall be forgiven. Not that God granted these people the right to live, separate from our influence but still under his direction, since they have their own prophets amongst whom Jesus Christ is also counted, 'tis simply that Muhammad is the singular most important to their faith, as Jesus is to the Christians. Stop your bastardized logic of two wrongs make it justified, that has never, nor ever will be the case. Think on your own before telling other people how to think.

Yah okay, so its okay to blatantly persecute people because "they do it too". Notice how you didnt refute the fact of your subjective persecution, you merely legitimized it through a comparison to people you view as your persecutors; all is fair in war mentality(cognitive dissonance). You know the crusades finished up about 700 years ago.

It's okay though right? forget about all those innocent women and men burned at the stake, drowned, hung, disembowled to protect your right to worship yahweh.

Also Harry potter based in the real world? Are you on crack?
you let me know when you see flying invisible horses and people transporting themselves through chimneys, and i'll make sure you get the help you need.


You can't have rational conversation with nutjob know it alls.