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Re: WTH?
Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 9:21 am
by Hitchkok
oh, and by the way, this:
Juliette wrote:Debate is not a clashing of multiple Immovable, Unchangeable Bulwarks of Dogma. Debate is an exchange of ideas. Give and take, to the enrichment of us all.
is wrong. that's discussion you're talking about.
in a debate the involved parties are actually meant to do one thing, and that is to convince the audience of their viewpoint.
not passing judgement on which is more desireable, a discussion or a debate, just noting the difference.
Re: WTH?
Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 9:33 am
by Juliette
Hitchkok wrote:oh, and by the way, this:
Juliette wrote: Debate is not a clashing of multiple Immovable, Unchangeable Bulwarks of Dogma. Debate is an exchange of ideas. Give and take, to the enrichment of us all.
is wrong. that's discussion you're talking about.
Oh hi, did you read the name of that section?
I bet you did. Did you see what it said? O-kay. Back up slowly, and return to the posts where you actually had a point. Thank you.
The rest of you, stop pretending you want the same thing with that section. Half of you don't know what the others want, and the other half doesn't care.
If you can present a workable alternative right here in this thread, I'm listening.
Re: WTH?
Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 9:53 am
by Hitchkok
Juliette wrote:The rest of you, stop pretending you want the same thing with that section. Half of you don't know what the others want, and the other half doesn't care.
If you can present a workable alternative right here in this thread, I'm listening.
here's a workable solution for you:
everything stays as it is.
if someone thinks a thread is not worthy of his time, he doesn't read it.
if someone feels a thread fails to follow logic, he states it respectively.
if someone feels he likes a thread subject and the way it's being discussed, he takes part in it.
quality control is maintained, on a thread-to-thread basis.
no subject is banned due to the way certain people go about it.
as a bonus, a new thread is opened up where people try and give some ideas in applied logic, advice on how a proper debate is conducted, and what is usually considered constructive, and what is just bickering.
we all try to just get along
Re: WTH?
Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 9:54 am
by Thriller
Hitchkok wrote:Juliette wrote:The rest of you, stop pretending you want the same thing with that section. Half of you don't know what the others want, and the other half doesn't care.
If you can present a workable alternative right here in this thread, I'm listening.
here's a workable solution for you:
everything stays as it is.
if someone thinks a thread is not worthy of his time, he doesn't read it.
if someone feels a thread fails to follow logic, he states it respectively.
if someone feels he likes a thread subject and the way it's being discussed, he takes part in it.
quality control is maintained, on a thread-to-thread basis.
no subject is banned due to the way certain people go about it.
as a bonus, a new thread is opened up where people try and give some ideas in applied logic, advice on how a proper debate is conducted, and what is usually considered constructive, and what is just bickering.
we all try to just get along
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Re: WTH?
Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 10:04 am
by Jack
I just want to point out, before I forget
again, that Juliette is the only one that seems to have a problem with the way things currently are.
Re: WTH?
Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 10:10 am
by Thriller
Wakko wrote:The Admin team is currently talking about things, But until the time that something is announced, what was said, will remain in effect until further notice.
Trying to warshall law my thoughts has never suceeded .
Re: WTH?
Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 12:23 pm
by MEZZANINE
Such is the politically correct world we live in, you cant talk about anything without offending someone, or having some bureaucrat saying it's improper because they think you might offend someone. Disappointing that the PC BS has reached SGW but not totally surprising, next the Health&Safety nuts will arrive saying we can only play for limited hours a day, then green meanies will show up saying we burn to much electricity
Mods this bit below is for you to edit, sure it wont take you long
ps Religious nuts dont like to debate because they cant win a debate, all religions have horrible histories, no evidence to support their beliefs and perpetuate ignorance by teaching / indoctrinating made up stories as if they were facts
Re: WTH?
Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 2:08 pm
by Juliette
MEZZANINE wrote:Such is the politically correct world we live in, you cant talk about anything without offending someone, or having some bureaucrat saying it's improper because they think you might offend someone. Disappointing that the PC BS has reached SGW but not totally surprising, next the Health&Safety nuts will arrive saying we can only play for limited hours a day, then green meanies will show up saying we burn to much electricity
Mods this bit below is for you to edit, sure it wont take you long
ps Religious nuts dont like to debate because they cant win a debate, all religions have horrible histories, no evidence to support their beliefs and perpetuate ignorance by teaching / indoctrinating made up stories as if they were facts
Hum, dear.. did you read what this is about, or did you just figure you should interject yourself with a non sequitur?
Re: WTH?
Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 2:57 pm
by Thriller
Yah were not talking about religious failings, were talking about mods giving into them mezz.
Re: WTH?
Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 5:34 pm
by Mister Sandman
This is why a pulpit forum is a good idea.
You can rant to your hearts content, no one will stop you, no one will bother with you. Everyone knows that, similar to what is now common knowledge about the current situation of the debate section, any posts you make here will not be treated with the intelligent respect they deserve, but be served to the side because you just don't wear the right badge.
However you over look the obvious, as religion effects peoples points of view, it is inclusive in every argument/debate.
Re: WTH?
Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:17 am
by Zeratul
Mister Sandman wrote:This is why a pulpit forum is a good idea.
You can rant to your hearts content, no one will stop you, no one will bother with you. Everyone knows that, similar to what is now common knowledge about the current situation of the debate section, any posts you make here will not be treated with the intelligent respect they deserve, but be served to the side because you just don't wear the right badge.
However you over look the obvious, as religion effects peoples points of view, it is inclusive in every argument/debate.
oh, we're not so sure about that...
remember, quite a large portion of the world is in actuality, if not fact, not really religious... (going to church/temple/whatever a couple of times a year does not really count as religious...)
Re: WTH?
Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:23 am
by Juliette
Mister Sandman wrote:This is why a pulpit forum is a good idea.
You can rant to your hearts content, no one will stop you, no one will bother with you. Everyone knows that, similar to what is now common knowledge about the current situation of the debate section, any posts you make here will not be treated with the intelligent respect they deserve, but be served to the side because you just don't wear the right badge.
However you over look the obvious, as religion effects peoples points of view, it is inclusive in every argument/debate.
Sweetheart, I didn't overlook the inability to separate religion from arguments. And, in case you're wondering, that is not what I said you couldn't do either. What I DID say, was that we will no longer host debate on the subject of religion. Why? Because you cannot focus on the discussion at hand.
No "my God is better than yours because I got a book that's two years older" discussions in threads on subjects that are not originally related to that subject. When you're discussing the Israeli-Philistinian conflict, of
course you're going to say "omg it's jews vs muslims". No one said you would no longer be able to do so.
But you're not going to derail the thread and make that the main subject of the discussion.
Seriously. It's dramatic how little you people read the posts which outline the actual change, and instead hype on each others lack of comprehension thereof. You know? Maybe I want to move all religious people into a concentration camp. Wouldn't that be a plausible next step? So why don't you complain about that? It is obvious you guys have quite the imagination..
Anyway. Back to what I said in the beginning. You will EITHER learn to focus your religious debate in a few religious debate threads, or you will move your efforts to a pulpit forum where you can pollute each and every thread with discussions on religion in threads that, when they were first posted, had nothing to do with it.
To illustrate on a slightly more compatible level, perhaps:
When we're talking about cats and dogs, and Billy Bob says "God sure made cats and dogs real pretty, with that fur and those eyes, and paws, they are just like elephants", that is not the start of a nauseating discussion on whether or not God exists and if he does, what name he'd prefer.. drowning out the discussion about the cats and the dogs. It is a comparison between cats, dogs and elephants. Tell Billy Bob you wouldn't compare elephants to cats and dogs due to differences in size and habitat, but don't go and have your God-discussion in every **filtered** thread. Ey?You need to learn to focus on the discussion. Not on your own topics of interest, attempting to steer discussions towards your private show.
And since you lot have the habit of ending up with religious bickering in threads on the most diverse of subjects, the most logical course of action is to ban this kind of derailment until such time when you prove you can handle the subjects maturely.
But I guess you'll just go and attack my example again. Have fun with that.
Re: WTH?
Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:07 am
by Mister Sandman
oh, we're not so sure about that...
remember, quite a large portion of the world is in actuality, if not fact, not really religious... (going to church/temple/whatever a couple of times a year does not really count as religious...)
Lets not make this into a debate shall we. I'm going to refrain but I would urge you to re-read what I said.
@ Juliette
It all may be fine and dandy like candy in what you said, however, there are some instances where the topic demands a religious PoV.
For example the HP thread, that was a religious thread at the beginning. Which was the prime starter for this 'review'.
Other threads also have religious ties and the mindsets play a bigger role, such as with the evolution debates, debates on any sort of moral issue and the list goes on.
Re: WTH?
Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:31 am
by Thriller
TO be fair Juliette
your outline was very vague until your lat post and you did not properly illustrate you wanted to only limit religeous discussion to it's tenants and not their applications.
I'm still against this though, for many of the reasons i have mailed you about
Re: WTH?
Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:48 am
by Psyko
Thriller wrote:Hitchkok wrote:Juliette wrote:The rest of you, stop pretending you want the same thing with that section. Half of you don't know what the others want, and the other half doesn't care.
If you can present a workable alternative right here in this thread, I'm listening.
here's a workable solution for you:
everything stays as it is.
if someone thinks a thread is not worthy of his time, he doesn't read it.
if someone feels a thread fails to follow logic, he states it respectively.
if someone feels he likes a thread subject and the way it's being discussed, he takes part in it.
quality control is maintained, on a thread-to-thread basis.
no subject is banned due to the way certain people go about it.
as a bonus, a new thread is opened up where people try and give some ideas in applied logic, advice on how a proper debate is conducted, and what is usually considered constructive, and what is just bickering.
we all try to just get along
^ Likes this idea
Agreed.
