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Re: Israel deporting humanitarian activists

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:21 pm
by Thriller
Brdavs wrote:Its central-ish for me actually. :razz:



Oh and the fact that you`ve never been invaded and overrun, on your wet island only like 4 guys in history were daft enough to try and take, makes the batty boy services you render to the yankers nowadays even worse.

Atleast the east europeans have soviet traumas to point at when they scurry under the uncle sams skirt, whats your excuse? :razz:


didn't the Normans conquer england... or are you being coy?

Re: Israel deporting humanitarian activists

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:24 pm
by Kit-Fox
We dont scurry under uncle sams skirt when we are attacked & never have. Perhaps you forget that we defend the Falklands all on our own, which was the last time the UK actually went to war. Since then no formal declarations of war have been made, instead we have participated in UN/NATO operations as per our requirements. In fact we over fulfill our requirements covering for nations such as central/eastern EU members who wont even donate tropps to UN/NATO missions. So i'd keep damned quiet if I were you or we might decide not to bother providing 50% of the nuclear deterrent for the EU.



Thriller > Normans didnt conquer 100% of the british isles. The southern 'states' (and i say states becuase at that time in history they were seperate to the rest of the UK leadership) of cornwall & devon held out as did significant parts of wales (and those are the ones we can prove, there might have been more for all we know, the normans did a rush job instead of establishing their rule everywhere). No one has sucessfully invaded & conquered the entire island, we're just too violent ;)

EDIT: Even the current actions in Iraq & afghanistan were done without a formal declaration of war by our parliment & ratified by the queen as required by the regulations set down for a formal war declaration by the UK

Re: Israel deporting humanitarian activists

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:51 pm
by Thriller
I believe your monarchy are of Norman ancestry? correct.

Also i think they would have conquered the entire thing if it were not for Scotland and Ireland.... Just like with the Romans...

looks like you saxxons can't fight for beans..... :razz:

Re: Israel deporting humanitarian activists

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:57 pm
by Kit-Fox
Nope the Monarchy are of German/Russian ancestry thanks to the close reationship we had with both before WW1.

The Norman Kings are no more. For a while yeah we had Norman monarchy but its all gone now.

Also the Saxons held off not only the Normans but also the Romans, ok not over the whole of the UK, but over decent sized bits of it. Two of the most violent 'empires' of the time. We were not overrun, like a fair bit of Europe was by Russia.

Re: Israel deporting humanitarian activists

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:05 pm
by Thriller
Kit-Fox wrote:Nope the Monarchy are of German/Russian ancestry thanks to the close reationship we had with both before WW1.

The Norman Kings are no more. For a while yeah we had Norman monarchy but its all gone now.

Also the Saxons held off not only the Normans but also the Romans, ok not over the whole of the UK, but over decent sized bits of it. Two of the most violent 'empires' of the time. We were not overrun, like a fair bit of Europe was by Russia.


From what i read, original English(saxxon) land ownership was down to only 5% after the Normans invaded. I'm too sure about the with romans but i know they did take a substantial portion of what was to be england.

they didn't step a foot into scotland...(im from scottish decent :razz: )

Re: Israel deporting humanitarian activists

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:05 pm
by jedi~tank
They can do what they want its their country. ;)

Re: Israel deporting humanitarian activists

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:15 pm
by Kit-Fox
For reference when I say the UK i mean England, Wales & Scotland all of which make the UK.

And the Normans came down into England through Scotland which was their first landing place ;)

& I'm of English, Welsh, Scottish & Irish descent ;) So I can be as nasty as I like about all 4 :P hehehehehe

Re: Israel deporting humanitarian activists

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:16 pm
by Thriller
Kit-Fox wrote:For reference whe n I say the UK i mean England, Wales & Scotland all of which make the UK.

And the Normans came down into England through Scotland which was their first landing place ;)

& I'm of English, Welsh, Scottish & Irish descent ;) So I can be as nasty as I like about all 4 :P hehehehehe


I was talking about the romans

Re: Israel deporting humanitarian activists

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:19 pm
by Kit-Fox
Whoops, easy to confuse tho, yeah the Romans tried to get into Scotland, got their collective asses whupped and ran back down into England then build Hadrians Wall.

They did just make it into Scotland but didnt stay tho after taking a pasting thanks to the extensive forests of the time :)

Re: Israel deporting humanitarian activists

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 10:08 pm
by [KMA]Avenger
Thriller wrote:I believe your monarchy are of Norman ancestry? correct.




nope, they are of German/Jewish stock, and just for the record, they are usurpers. they changed their name after WW1 broke out because of the anti German sentiment running so high they rightly feared for their necks lol.
anyways, their real surname is Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.

Re: Israel deporting humanitarian activists

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 12:08 am
by Brdavs
Kit-Fox wrote:We dont scurry under uncle sams skirt when we are attacked & never have. Perhaps you forget that we defend the Falklands all on our own, which was the last time the UK actually went to war. Since then no formal declarations of war have been made, instead we have participated in UN/NATO operations as per our requirements. In fact we over fulfill our requirements covering for nations such as central/eastern EU members who wont even donate tropps to UN/NATO missions. So i'd keep damned quiet if I were you or we might decide not to bother providing 50% of the nuclear deterrent for the EU.


EDIT: Even the current actions in Iraq & afghanistan were done without a formal declaration of war by our parliment & ratified by the queen as required by the regulations set down for a formal war declaration by the UK


Nuclear detterant? Agains whome? Cold war is over. Russians are selling us gas now & buying our products.

Lets not even get started on the war on terror thing coocked up by bush&blair and the gods they communed with lol... fact is US says jump, UK and the eastern bananarepublics send more troops to the ME to secure oil wells. Both occupations are based on SC resolutions and participation at this point is totaly voluntary not compulsary as per the NATO agreement. Whose utilization in the first place was shoddy at best.

Either way, some of us see the thing as a tool of US ipmerialistic politics. You may be onboard but I`d rather NATO disbands as it has no more purpose. In its place, EU army defending and looking after the EU interests, not those of the white house. Without the UK ofc., they`d rather be US lackeys than equal/privelaged partners on their own continent. :razz:

Re: Israel deporting humanitarian activists

Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 4:52 am
by Hitchkok
Anti-Semitism Is Salonfahig Again

Leon de Winter


[spoiler]It's a fascinating phenomenon: Why do people and organizations that present themselves as progressive team up with reactionary Muslims? The Free Gaza group is just such a Leftist-Islamist alliance. Well, Gaza is already free. Israel withdrew from the narrow strip five years ago. And there is also no need for any humanitarian aid. Well over a million tons of humanitarian supplies entered Gaza from Israel over the last 18 months, equaling nearly a ton of aid for every man, woman and child in Gaza.

But Gaza's population voted in democratic elections to be ruled by a party whose hatred of Jews is the cornerstone of its existence. Anyone who doubts this should read the Hamas manifesto on the Internet. The fact that Gaza is completely "judenrein" isn't enough for Hamas. It wants Israel to be "judenrein" too. The Israeli blockade for "strategic goods" is therefore not designed to punish ordinary Palestinians but to prevent Hamas from obtaining heavy weapons and building bunkers. It's as simple as that.

Contrary to Gaza, Chechnya, for example, isn't free. The Russians have crushed the struggle for independence of the Chechens by carpet-bombing their capital. And what about a Kurdish state? The Turks and Iraqis have inflicted unspeakable horrors on the Kurds. And yet, there are no Free Kurdistan flotillas sailing toward Turkey, and Russian officials don't have to fear to be arrested in European capitals for war crimes.

ere are some more facts -- lousy, stubborn facts. Let's look at the infant mortality rate in Gaza. It is a key number that says a lot about the state of hygiene, nutrition, and health care. In Israel the infant mortality rate is 4.17 per 1,000 births, which is about the same as in Western countries. In Sudan the rate is 78.1, that is, one in 13 infants die at birth. In Gaza, infant mortality per 1,000 births is 17.71. Yes, that's higher than in Israel, but much lower than in Sudan. And Turkey's infant mortality rate? Well, that's 24.84. Yes, more infants die at birth in Turkey than in Gaza.

Here is another fact. Life expectancy at birth is 73.68 years in Gaza. And in Turkey, Gaza's new protector, life expectancy is only 72.23 years. If the Israelis really wanted to make the lives of Palestinians short and nasty, then they are obviously doing something wrong.

The progressives don't care for any other group of poor or suppressed Muslims. They only cry for the "victims" of the Jews. Why is that so?

One reason is Yasser Arafat, whose genius was to redefine the Palestinian cause in neo-Marxist and anti-imperialist rhetorics. He created a new context for his people: The struggle against colonialism and racism. He was a classic corrupt warlord with an amazing talent to play the Western media and politicians. The progressives adopted the Palestinians as their favorite, quintessential victims of imperialism and colonialism as epitomized by the Zionist state.

But there is another reason why Western progressives hate Israel but are indifferent toward human rights abuses in Turkey, Iran, or Russia. It's because of the Holocaust.

Europeans, who represent much of what goes for world opinion, have grown tired of carrying the guilt for the destruction of the Continent's Jews. They have started to long for some form of historical release. That comes in the form of Israel's military response to Islamist attacks and terror. The Europeans couldn't suppress the chance to defame the Jews and redefine Israel's defense measures as either "disproportionate" or outright aggression -- war crimes in other words.

In progressive European eyes, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict became a conflict without comparison, a unique phenomenon of European victims creating Palestinian victims, which seemed to diminish the weight of the ordinary European mass-slaughter of the Jews.

Watching Israel's demonization, the attack on its right to defend itself as Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu said, it becomes clear that there is a deep need among Europeans to call the Jews murderers. This is why the Palestinians, as "victims" of the Jews, are more important than the numerous Muslim victims of Muslim extremists; this is why millions of other Muslims living under worse conditions than the Palestinians hardly get any mention in the media; this is why Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghetto or Auschwitz. By calling the Israeli Nazis, the original Nazis have been legitimized. It feels as if the Europeans, led by the progressives, want the Arabs to finish the job. Enough with the Jews. It is what it is -- we see Europe's liberation from the legacy of the Holocaust.

For decades, our progressive, peace-loving Western activists have been fooled and manipulated by Arab tyrants and now by Turkish and Iranian Islamists. They have allowed themselves to assist in efforts to destroy one of the greatest adventures in modern times: the creation of the State of Israel.

What we have witnessed with the Gaza flotilla is the perfect execution of a masterful piece of Islamist theater. The media's wild indignation, an orgasm of hypocrisy, marks the next chapter in the long story of European hatred toward the Jews. It is salonfahig again to be an anti-Semite.[/spoiler]