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Re: Mod abusing her power
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:34 am
by ƒëmmë ƒatalë
Earendil wrote:Tetrismonkey wrote:If a user wishes the Ombudsman to help them get there point accross, let them, he is, afterall, there elected offical.
So, by your logic, the mayor of my small (very small) town should have the ability to deal with federal matters in the local NSA branch because he was elected by the towns people.
@ Clarkey. His warning
has nothing to do with any verbal warning that HE may of gotten. (which you know) and the last verbal warning in his usernotes is for spamming threads outside of the Temple.
no, only if that was your mayors elected job..
Ombs on here are elected to mediate and police issues between forum users and mods/admins are they not?
Re: Mod abusing her power
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:58 am
by Zeratul
as earendil has pointed out repeatedly, issues with mods are to be taken to the section GM first, then to the admin team... not to the ombudsmen first...
in this case, since it is a GM, the correct procedure would be to take it to the admin team, which was not done... after that has been done, and only after that, is it to be taken to the ombudsmen...
Re: Mod abusing her power
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 12:37 pm
by Jack
Earendil wrote:http://talk.gatewa.rs/viewtopic.php?f=132&t=162008
Earendil wrote:First off, the ombudsman is for challenging warnings only. If you have an issue with a moderator then follow contact that mod, if that does not work, contact their section head and then lastly, if need be contact the Admin team about the problem.
~Earendil
That is BS, I don't care what that post says. The Ombudsman office was created to be someone the users feel safe going to when they have an issue regarding the forums and would rather not deal with a mod or admin. No where was it stated(before now) that the Oms is only there to be an appeals judge. If that was the case, then the title would be Appeals Judge and the section would be called the Supreme Court of the Forum or whatever, it is not. It's called the Ombudsman and the Ombudsman's corner. Wikipedia wrote:An ombudsman (conventional English plural: ombudsmen) is a person who acts as a trusted intermediary between an organization and some internal or external constituency while representing the broad scope of constituent interests. 'Ombudsman', which is an indigenous Danish, Norwegian, and Swedish term, is etymologically rooted in the Old Norse word umbuðsmann, which essentially means 'representative'.
Re: Mod abusing her power
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 3:05 pm
by RoKeT
RoKeT wrote:That is not why this issue is here jesus you guys know how to derail a thread so I ask again to Ear and Z since you guys obviously are admins and I like you both please don't ignore my post, why does everyone ignore my damn posts... let me quote
RoKeT wrote:okay so that wat do you think mr Admin, considering i've had a few mods, and users think Joe is going to far, that she is abusing her powers and that she is starting to treat users like scumb... I love Uni I really do I htink she is a sweetheart IN PM'S not on forums, when she is in public eye it's like she enjoys making users look bad, like she has to flaunt her mod hood... so wat do you think I should do... honestly... I have spoken with Uni through PM's many times, I have written it here and no one talked Uni looked at it and said nothing... so I went where I knew she would respond... wat woudl you do Ear if every time you said anything the only time it gets done is when Ombudsman takes it...
Why can't anyone answer my question?
Re: Mod abusing her power
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 3:20 pm
by Ra
What's wrong with a little abuse from Juliette? In moderation of course..
Re: Mod abusing her power
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:12 pm
by Angnoch
I believe it has been thoroughly explained Roket....by admins and the section GM for misc but as a re-cap I will go ahead and detail it again so everyone can quit yapping and move on with their interweb lives.
*clears throat*
In the spam temple a few Non-english threads will be allowed, as long as those threads conform to the rest of the forum and temple rules, anywhere else on the forums and said thread will be shut down, dumped and warning handed out. Pretty clear cut no? you need more explanation?
Now on to the issue of Juliette abusing her powers, I see no one but yourself spouting off at the mouth about mod abuse. That is not to diminish you in any way, but until you can give a clear cut example, not some out of context quote that you are choosing to misinterpret as an abuse of her power and station you have no legs to stand on. As to whether the admin is looking into the situation or not is quite frankly an internal matter, and since two of them have posted here you can be quite certain they are well aware of your baseless accusations and are likely checking them for validity as the staff is their concern not the ombudsman. Your lack of respect for procedure is very likely to distance yourself and hurt your case anyway, and instead of acting out and lashing out every time you misconstrue something perhaps taking a step back, realizing this is not real life, and you can take a breath before posting something. Yes your concerns are indeed worthy of note as are any users, but you need to refine your accusations, present evidence in a clear concise manner, and not take things out of context. You say that Juliette always wins her debates against you, the reason is because you do not think rationally when you post, you REACT emotionally, rather than acting logically. You need to relax a little bit Roket.
any more questions that I can fix while I am here? no?
ok now turn to your nearest window...open it.....take a deep breath....exhale....breath again.....exhale.....hit that fancy power button on your computer.....walk out your front door.....go outside....take a walk go for a run do something besides sit at the computer and obsess over someone hundreds upon hundreds of miles away from you, most likely in a place you will never visit....
Re: Mod abusing her power
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 4:49 am
by RoKeT
I dissagree it is out of context? I don't see how her saying it was allowed in that post... but if I put one I get warned or threatened a warning... I don't see how that isn't double standards, and I don't see how a mod can do double standards, I have breathed... and I did do it the right way, I don't PM Uni because she is awesome in PM's and caring and kind, although the truth remains that she still uses hers stronger, if no one agrees with me, why did Tetris say to me that he agree'd she goes to far, why has about 20 users said that mods are abusing powers, I think Ang you are running off the mouth without thinking, so before posting you should probably get your facts straight... now if I posted this here before and she simply read it rolled her eyes and walked away... I went to Ombudsman because I tried taking the right steps, so how did I not? Exactly Ang I like you but do your research mate, before you run your mouth now Admin can you answer me, if I do the right step and I am simply ignored, where should I go, if Admin just won't listen to reason, if they always stick up for there mods, should I go to Jason, would that even work, or is this just a lost cause and I just wait until Admin and modship changes...
Re: Mod abusing her power
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:30 am
by Clarkey
RoKeT wrote:I dissagree it is out of context? I don't see how her saying it was allowed in that post... but if I put one I get warned or threatened a warning... I don't see how that isn't double standards, and I don't see how a mod can do double standards, I have breathed... and I did do it the right way, I don't PM Uni because she is awesome in PM's and caring and kind, although the truth remains that she still uses hers stronger, if no one agrees with me, why did Tetris say to me that he agree'd she goes to far, why has about 20 users said that mods are abusing powers, I think Ang you are running off the mouth without thinking, so before posting you should probably get your facts straight... now if I posted this here before and she simply read it rolled her eyes and walked away... I went to Ombudsman because I tried taking the right steps, so how did I not? Exactly Ang I like you but do your research mate, before you run your mouth now Admin can you answer me, if I do the right step and I am simply ignored, where should I go, if Admin just won't listen to reason, if they always stick up for there mods, should I go to Jason, would that even work, or is this just a lost cause and I just wait until Admin and modship changes...
My advice to you is to calm down, and PM the admins now about this. Ask one question at a time and ask the nexdt question once you get the first one answered.
making a spectacle of the issue here in the open is only going against you.
i'm fed up of reading the same whining, i'm sure others are.
PM the admins, be mature and polite, don't make accusations, just ask a question at a time.
I'm pretty sure you will then get a better response. Also give them time to respond as well, because believe it or not the admins do have to discuss issues like this between themselves, and seeing as they are 3 individual people they may not be online together to discuss it together.
I recommend you take my advice because otherwise it just looks like you are the one running off your mouth.
Trust me, I been in many of these situations myself and i can honestly say PM first is the best way to go, it looks better on you if you go that route first.
Re: Mod abusing her power
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:33 am
by RoKeT
Clarkey I understand that, but i've gone through PM's and nothing is ever done... I find if I take it to Ombudsman, or make it public alot more is done, so why would I go about something that doesn't get things done... when I can go the route that is quicker and more efficient and damn dude calm down that is the second time you have insulted me on these forums, please knock it off considering i've always had your back no matter how much you've screwed up... So fall back dude
Re: Mod abusing her power
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:37 am
by Clarkey
RoKeT wrote:Clarkey I understand that, but i've gone through PM's and nothing is ever done... I find if I take it to Ombudsman, or make it public alot more is done
Judging by this thread not a lot has been done.
RoKeT wrote:and damn dude calm down that is the second time you have insulted me on these forums, please knock it off considering i've always had your back no matter how much you've screwed up... So fall back dude
Me calm down? When was i not calm?
How did I insult you?
I hope you aren't suggesting just because you've "had" my back that I have to always "have" your back?
I was giving you good advice. I said believe me because i've been through this a LOT more times than you, and I have always found contacting the admins via PM is the best way to go. You don't have to take my advice, but I will offer it anyway, just don't accuse me of insulting you!
Re: Mod abusing her power
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:39 am
by RoKeT
This thread is getting no where because it was moved from Ombudsman this thread is now a joke, truthfully and I knew it would be...
Re: Mod abusing her power
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:41 am
by Angnoch
thank you for reitirating Clarkey, there is a procedure for a reason, and I did do my research Roket, none of the admins were PM'd regarding the issue, it has been clearly stated that a few of these in the temple and ONLY in the temple are allowed, so you posting a thread in another language any where else is entirely warnable where as Jo's was in the temple and therefore allowed, to an extent. I am getting fed up with trying to deal with situations that can be headed off with a PM to an admin, and patiently waiting a response, nothing is done instantly, so even if the admins find that she was abusing her power it might take them some time to come to that conclusion, they have to weigh every single action she takes as a moderator and figure out where she is being heavy-handed if she is being to harsh. I have not seen a single iota of anything more than circumstantial evidence against her, and all of it coming from you, one might say you are in fact bias against her, you have a personal issue with her. No one is saying that however because despite what you might perceive as the staff "closing" ranks, we actually do care about issues like this, its just much easier to deal with if there is something more than the victimized user and mod doing a he said she said kind of arguement. You say that 20 users and Tetris support you....I didn't see any where that they were saying she was abusing her powers, simply that this definitely was a situation that needed attention, which I wholeheartedly agree with. A definitive example of her abusing her powers would be highly useful in such a case, but as the only things you can post are snippets of conversations, thus removing the context of the thread or PM scenario in which they were said, you are limiting their effectiveness as evidence. In order to properly judge her modding one would need access to her for an extended period in order to ask why this why not this why that way etc... So PM the admins, don't expect an immediate response, chill out a little bit, and try not baiting people who are trying to remain objective and offering you some advice.
Re: Mod abusing her power
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:43 am
by RoKeT
My thread was in the Temple as well bud
and you know damn well that that wasn't taken out of context if you did your research I undesrtand you are trying to help and I know Jo isn't Biast I have no problem with her, what I do have a problem with is the way people turn the other cheek when something like this happens... and no your right no one has written here, because they dont' want to risk watever they don't I don't know, but i know for a fact i've been written before... so it doesn't matter lol this case won't get anywhere like they never do... Uni just know that I will continue to make it aware and I will continue to fight ya if I have to until I feel like you are not being abusive... I know your a sweet heart then do it man, do it when you in public I know your not like that i've spoken iwth you many times in private... well good day to you all...
Re: Mod abusing her power
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:45 am
by Angnoch
and it is still there, and no warnings were issued to you for it....
Re: Mod abusing her power
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:50 am
by Clarkey
RoKeT wrote:This thread is getting no where because it was moved from Ombudsman this thread is now a joke, truthfully and I knew it would be...
The thread would not be a joke if you take my advice. I assure you the thread would still be the same if it was in the Oms section.... why would it not be?