Thriller wrote:It's not stupid just because you two don't get it
Its stupid attempt at trolling. So if you are not going to post anything relevant please spare me reading your text.
KnowLedge wrote:wow ok, let me note that what you refer to is Christain belif. In Hinduism, deeds are actually given some value along with praying/worshiping.
Deeds are given value in the Christian faith. We do not live in a Black and White world. "Good" and "Evil" are hard to define. What may be 'Good' deed to do can be 'evil' in another instance.
Ephesians 2:8-9 (New International Version)
8For it is by
grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast.
In addition, in Hinduism, deeds are meaningless unless you follow that religion.
Which Brings me to, Works(deeds) without faith are dead; Faith without works(deeds) are dead.
also, here is what i dont understnad in those. you say that "without faith, it is impossible to please god". What i need help understanding is why must we please god? what is so imporetent about this being. he gives us powers and gets the work done?
If you do not believe in him, it is impossible to please God. Follow the logic?
1. God created us for this end, and hence has given us a conscience that universally demands that we should live to please God. He has made this our unalterable law and rule of action. We never fulfil the demands of conscience except as we live to please God.
2. His pleasure is always wise and good. He says, "I will do all my pleasure." It would not be right in any other being to say that; but in God it is right, for what else could he do? Nothing pleases him that is not wise and good. He never desires or wishes anything that is not wise and good.
3. To thus live to please God is true benevolence to him; it is to will his good, his highest happiness and well-being. This is the real idea of love to God. It is devotion to his good; or in other words, it is devotion to his gratification or pleasure; it is good-willing to God, willing his infinite happiness and satisfaction. It is aiming to satisfy all his wishes in regard to us; to meet and fulfill all his desires respecting us.
To please him is to gratify his fatherly heart. To please him we must meet his views respecting our obligation; we must meet his wishes, we must obey his will, must adjust ourselves to all that he wishes us to be and do.
He is then pleased with us; he is not grieved but gratified. Now to live with this continual aim to be all that God, under the circumstances wants us to be, is to live and walk so as to please God.
4. To please him is to gain his approbation; and this is not only a good to him, but it is a good to us. The love of approbation is natural to us, and especially the approbation of the good. And to have the approbation of God is of supreme importance to us.
It is a comfort to him to be able to approve the life that we live, as it is a comfort to parents to be able to approve the lives of their children. And it is a comfort to us to secure his approbation, as it is a comfort to children to secure the approbation of their parents. Nay, the comfort of receiving the approbation of God is infinitely more sweet, consoling, and joyous, than the approbation of all other beings together.
5. It follows, that to gain his approbation is to secure our own happiness. Hence to live to please him is the only sure way of pleasing ourselves. We cannot be satisfied with ourselves unless we are conscious of aiming to satisfy God. While we are conscious of not aiming to meet his approbation, we cannot secure our own approbation. To aim at pleasing him, then, in all we do, is a condition of securing our own happiness; and more than this, this aim will be sure to secure our own highest satisfaction.
6. It is right to aim in all things at pleasing God, because his pleasure is the most worthy end for which we can live. It is not living for an abstraction. Some people have thought that the end proposed was rather an abstraction than a reality.
But do you account it an abstraction to live to please your mother or your father, your wife, or your dearest friend? That is anything but an abstraction. Your wife, or husband, or friend, would account their own pleasure anything but an abstraction.
I have been amazed sometimes, to hear some people talk of the end of being as an abstraction, as if it were a mere idea, and not the profoundest reality in the universe. What! the end of sentient beings, and especially of moral beings, their highest satisfaction and perfect happiness, an abstraction! Verily, I pity the individual who regards the good pleasure of God as an abstraction--or the good pleasure of any good being.
7. To intend to please God is always safe. It is not safe to make the pleasure of any other being universally our aim. But God is infinitely wise and infinitely good, and we never need to fear to aim at fulfilling all his pleasure.
8. It is of no use to live to please ourselves. We never can please ourselves by making this our aim or end. We please ourselves in fact all the less by how much the more singly we aim to please ourselves. We cannot approve of living to please ourselves, and practically treating our own pleasure as the highest good.
Therefore we always violate the laws of our own nature, the laws of our conscience and higher reason, whenever we live to please ourselves. There is always an inward upbraiding, an inward struggle, a mutiny, a self-condemnation, when we live to please ourselves.
9. It is not right to make the pleasure of any other being than God our supreme end. This is idolatry. To live to please any other being than God, is to make that being our god, is to practice downright idolatry, is to place another in the very throne belonging to Jehovah.
10. It is not safe for us to live to please any other being than God; nor is it safe for them. To make another being our god, is to expose that being to destruction. God is a jealous God, he will not give his glory to another; and if we give another the throne of our hearts, it may prove the destruction of that idol, as well as our own destruction.
11. It is essential to peace with self, to peace with God, that we live, and walk, and aim in all things, to meet his pleasure.
http://www.gospeltruth.net/1861OE/61013 ... asegod.htmfrom my point of view, THis law that "without faith, you can not please god" is a very self centered law made by god.
The question is what do we live for?
It isnt a law persay its more like the way the universe runs. You cannot truly please someone if you didnt have faith in them.
What im tryign to say is that "god forces us to worship him by saying that "if u worship me, u go to heaven, if not then there is nothing i can do about you.""
now this perticular system is what i find "cheap". The fact that if u worship him, ur good.. and if not, then ur 'dead'
The fact is,
you are already saved by God's grace, tis whether you accept that grace or not. It isnt the worship part, or good deeds, or anything like that.
That is like a mother saying to her child if you behave i'll buy you that lolly.
A system built on that is ultimately flawed. Does God care if you worship him? Yes, however it is only because he cares for you. You are his son, ; for the ladies his daughters.
The thing is, without God you arnt really 'alive'.