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lads ye have turned this into a personal vendetta with no allowances for anyone else to disuss the matter so before I leave this sorry excuse for a thread on what should have being a damn good debate on a facinating topic:

- Quotes alone support no argument - only works as a supliment to an opinion
- EU referendum on Lisbon....we said yes the second time (I am Irish by the way and made a well informed decision along with my fellow citizens - we can look beyond the propoganda ya know!)
- EU is not the stage for a New World governance yet - its an experiemt to see whether governance over multiple states would work
- Diversity is key to intregration
- And for the love of god please stop pushing your opinions on each other and be constructive in your discussion.


United we stand, divided we fall.
Aesop
Greek slave & fable author (620 BC - 560 BC)





JUst saw this in my personal mail box and I think it belongs here and not in my personal mail unless ye want to get personal (joking ):

[KMA]Avenger wrote:Subject: world government - it's worth a shot

Lord Yojimbo wrote:A lot of hot air and misintrepreted buzz words being used here....

stop peddling and start discussing!
IMF:

Bailed out Greece did it not? That is its purpose - to supply loans when needed - with no intregrated system of lending we would have no way in countering insolvency in global terms

As for the global financial system it is rife with corruption due to lax regulation - tougher and harder regulation comes with more paperwork but with less risk - which do you wnat to see? We are dependent on this system so best method of change is from inside and not to demolish it in one go - gradual change....

EU:

Free movent of trade not good enough to stimule the UK economy? We irish have to pay the EU as well but we get benefits out of it being a massively exporting nation with free trade within the bloc

Also the EU can act as an Trade Bloc internationally and effect trade policies globally with its clout incomparision to an individual waning UK economy or a small Irish economy...

Free movement of people is a right within the EU and I am all for it..as an Irish man I seen a massive inflx of people in the good tiomes and a mass exodus in the bad times...people need to live so they need to seek work where they can...it will add to the diversity of each individual nation within the bloc

The Experiment:

The EU is the expirment which could lead to a international federation (why not?) at some stage - mistakes have being made but we still have a functioning bloc in terms of trade and economic policy - problems lay in:

- regulation of banks and future develeoment in growth sectors
- developement and co-hesion of foreign policy
- reduction in red tape
- military intergration and whether it should happen or whether it should remain in the hands of NATO
- and a more direct accountablility of EU politian to the general populace
- CAP and CFP need to be redressed (common agricultural and fishing policies)

Thes are the major road blocks that face us in this expirement.....time will show us if we are really ready for diversity in intregration...

The EU made some bad mistakes but it doesnt mean its an evil organisation...its the first real endevour of its kind in the world.
And I hope they will learn from their mistakes....

The EU should have respected the first vote of the Irish indeed but there was a severe lack of information provided by both sides in regards to the issues and alot of scare mongering expecially from the NO side...so lets put it this way - we could have voted NO - It was our free decision to make again if we really felt that Lisbon was a major problem but we didnt - We had our say and we said YES!

THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION BY THE WAY Be nice in your responces

you dont believe the EU is evil?

can i ask if you are religious or if you believe in the bible at all?

My responce:

Ive no set beliefs mate - im open to learning and new philosophies and I dont dismiss any current belief systems - why didnt you post this in the main thread? What Has my religious beliefs got to do with it?

Im posting this in the main thread since it belongs there and not in my personal mail box

^ I'm sorry, ill move it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn-enjcgV1o

Thriller wrote:^ I'm sorry, ill move it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn-enjcgV1o

Tis cool dude but it has lost its interesting side - I just get frustrated when a good topic comes up for discussion and instead of inspring thought and opinions it turns into a heated and destructive exercise

@ video

Look it's all better now

I am planning on making a more detailed post outlining what i would ike to see in a world government.

I was also hoping hitch might put some input in aswell

the more the better topics like this dont tend to get much hits these days

Lord Yojimbo wrote:A lot of hot air and misintrepreted buzz words being used here....

stop peddling and start discussing!
IMF:

Bailed out Greece did it not? That is its purpose - to supply loans when needed - with no intregrated system of lending we would have no way in countering insolvency in global terms

As for the global financial system it is rife with corruption due to lax regulation - tougher and harder regulation comes with more paperwork but with less risk - which do you wnat to see? We are dependent on this system so best method of change is from inside and not to demolish it in one go - gradual change....

EU:

Free movent of trade not good enough to stimule the UK economy? We irish have to pay the EU as well but we get benefits out of it being a massively exporting nation with free trade within the bloc

Also the EU can act as an Trade Bloc internationally and effect trade policies globally with its clout incomparision to an individual waning UK economy or a small Irish economy...

Free movement of people is a right within the EU and I am all for it..as an Irish man I seen a massive inflx of people in the good tiomes and a mass exodus in the bad times...people need to live so they need to seek work where they can...it will add to the diversity of each individual nation within the bloc

The Experiment:

The EU is the expirment which could lead to a international federation (why not?) at some stage - mistakes have being made but we still have a functioning bloc in terms of trade and economic policy - problems lay in:

- regulation of banks and future develeoment in growth sectors
- developement and co-hesion of foreign policy
- reduction in red tape
- military intergration and whether it should happen or whether it should remain in the hands of NATO
- and a more direct accountablility of EU politian to the general populace
- CAP and CFP need to be redressed (common agricultural and fishing policies)

Thes are the major road blocks that face us in this expirement.....time will show us if we are really ready for diversity in intregration...

The EU made some bad mistakes but it doesnt mean its an evil organisation...its the first real endevour of its kind in the world.
And I hope they will learn from their mistakes....

The EU should have respected the first vote of the Irish indeed but there was a severe lack of information provided by both sides in regards to the issues and alot of scare mongering expecially from the NO side...so lets put it this way - we could have voted NO - It was our free decision to make again if we really felt that Lisbon was a major problem but we didnt - We had our say and we said YES!

THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION BY THE WAY Be nice in your responces

Ill elabourate in more detail soon there is a footy match to watch at the mo

Lord Yojimbo wrote:lads ye have turned this into a personal vendetta with no allowances for anyone else to disuss the matter so before I leave this sorry excuse for a thread on what should have being a damn good debate on a facinating topic:

- Quotes alone support no argument - only works as a supliment to an opinion
- EU referendum on Lisbon....we said yes the second time (I am Irish by the way and made a well informed decision along with my fellow citizens - we can look beyond the propoganda ya know!)
- EU is not the stage for a New World governance yet - its an experiemt to see whether governance over multiple states would work
- Diversity is key to intregration
- And for the love of god please stop pushing your opinions on each other and be constructive in your discussion.


United we stand, divided we fall.
Aesop
Greek slave & fable author (620 BC - 560 BC)





JUst saw this in my personal mail box and I think it belongs here and not in my personal mail unless ye want to get personal (joking ):

[KMA]Avenger wrote:Subject: world government - it's worth a shot

Lord Yojimbo wrote:A lot of hot air and misintrepreted buzz words being used here....

stop peddling and start discussing!
IMF:

Bailed out Greece did it not? That is its purpose - to supply loans when needed - with no intregrated system of lending we would have no way in countering insolvency in global terms

As for the global financial system it is rife with corruption due to lax regulation - tougher and harder regulation comes with more paperwork but with less risk - which do you wnat to see? We are dependent on this system so best method of change is from inside and not to demolish it in one go - gradual change....

EU:

Free movent of trade not good enough to stimule the UK economy? We irish have to pay the EU as well but we get benefits out of it being a massively exporting nation with free trade within the bloc

Also the EU can act as an Trade Bloc internationally and effect trade policies globally with its clout incomparision to an individual waning UK economy or a small Irish economy...

Free movement of people is a right within the EU and I am all for it..as an Irish man I seen a massive inflx of people in the good tiomes and a mass exodus in the bad times...people need to live so they need to seek work where they can...it will add to the diversity of each individual nation within the bloc

The Experiment:

The EU is the expirment which could lead to a international federation (why not?) at some stage - mistakes have being made but we still have a functioning bloc in terms of trade and economic policy - problems lay in:

- regulation of banks and future develeoment in growth sectors
- developement and co-hesion of foreign policy
- reduction in red tape
- military intergration and whether it should happen or whether it should remain in the hands of NATO
- and a more direct accountablility of EU politian to the general populace
- CAP and CFP need to be redressed (common agricultural and fishing policies)

Thes are the major road blocks that face us in this expirement.....time will show us if we are really ready for diversity in intregration...

The EU made some bad mistakes but it doesnt mean its an evil organisation...its the first real endevour of its kind in the world.
And I hope they will learn from their mistakes....

The EU should have respected the first vote of the Irish indeed but there was a severe lack of information provided by both sides in regards to the issues and alot of scare mongering expecially from the NO side...so lets put it this way - we could have voted NO - It was our free decision to make again if we really felt that Lisbon was a major problem but we didnt - We had our say and we said YES!

THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION BY THE WAY Be nice in your responces

you dont believe the EU is evil?

can i ask if you are religious or if you believe in the bible at all?

My responce:

Ive no set beliefs mate - im open to learning and new philosophies and I dont dismiss any current belief systems - why didnt you post this in the main thread? What Has my religious beliefs got to do with it?

Im posting this in the main thread since it belongs there and not in my personal mail box

that didn't ask my question...and if you don't want to answer, well i cant answer why i'm asking.

Let me just state, there is a world government.

We are monitored everyday of our lives.

It is just like the Truman Show.

We are taught what they want to teach us,

So basically, we are in communist china, just we feel better about our situation.

well, that statement was VERY unexpected from you mate


@Thriller, you do realise that by calling me names you are engaged in "group think" don't you?

I also forgot the government isnt a government persay,

its them big oil companies... its obama practising what hitler did in the past

with the obama youth - i.e hitler youth

Concentration camps... Taking away our guns
Internet filters...
Censorship,

Thanking Satan for all his success. or in other words, yes we can.

Just wait for the invasion of Iran... Iraq to Iran...

See the average family and curse the name of Goldstein as master of all traitors,

And everyone will think we were always at war with Iran, and Iraq was our ally.


However, Ill sit on this forum, and rant and rave about it, and do nothing to 'fix' it.


They wont do anything, this is because, they have done this on purpose, they will just wait until you say you were wrong and purge, then give you a better job, better life. As long as you say, I love bb.

Eventually they will kill you, no doubt about that, but until then. You shall love bb.

In short, if you want to do anything the 'world order' one has to be a revolutionary get the proles with you and over throw the order, in order to make a new one. Such is humanity.

[KMA]Avenger wrote:

Lord Yojimbo wrote:lads ye have turned this into a personal vendetta with no allowances for anyone else to disuss the matter so before I leave this sorry excuse for a thread on what should have being a damn good debate on a facinating topic:

- Quotes alone support no argument - only works as a supliment to an opinion
- EU referendum on Lisbon....we said yes the second time (I am Irish by the way and made a well informed decision along with my fellow citizens - we can look beyond the propoganda ya know!)
- EU is not the stage for a New World governance yet - its an experiemt to see whether governance over multiple states would work
- Diversity is key to intregration
- And for the love of god please stop pushing your opinions on each other and be constructive in your discussion.


United we stand, divided we fall.
Aesop
Greek slave & fable author (620 BC - 560 BC)





JUst saw this in my personal mail box and I think it belongs here and not in my personal mail unless ye want to get personal (joking ):

[KMA]Avenger wrote:Subject: world government - it's worth a shot

Lord Yojimbo wrote:A lot of hot air and misintrepreted buzz words being used here....

stop peddling and start discussing!
IMF:

Bailed out Greece did it not? That is its purpose - to supply loans when needed - with no intregrated system of lending we would have no way in countering insolvency in global terms

As for the global financial system it is rife with corruption due to lax regulation - tougher and harder regulation comes with more paperwork but with less risk - which do you wnat to see? We are dependent on this system so best method of change is from inside and not to demolish it in one go - gradual change....

EU:

Free movent of trade not good enough to stimule the UK economy? We irish have to pay the EU as well but we get benefits out of it being a massively exporting nation with free trade within the bloc

Also the EU can act as an Trade Bloc internationally and effect trade policies globally with its clout incomparision to an individual waning UK economy or a small Irish economy...

Free movement of people is a right within the EU and I am all for it..as an Irish man I seen a massive inflx of people in the good tiomes and a mass exodus in the bad times...people need to live so they need to seek work where they can...it will add to the diversity of each individual nation within the bloc

The Experiment:

The EU is the expirment which could lead to a international federation (why not?) at some stage - mistakes have being made but we still have a functioning bloc in terms of trade and economic policy - problems lay in:

- regulation of banks and future develeoment in growth sectors
- developement and co-hesion of foreign policy
- reduction in red tape
- military intergration and whether it should happen or whether it should remain in the hands of NATO
- and a more direct accountablility of EU politian to the general populace
- CAP and CFP need to be redressed (common agricultural and fishing policies)

Thes are the major road blocks that face us in this expirement.....time will show us if we are really ready for diversity in intregration...

The EU made some bad mistakes but it doesnt mean its an evil organisation...its the first real endevour of its kind in the world.
And I hope they will learn from their mistakes....

The EU should have respected the first vote of the Irish indeed but there was a severe lack of information provided by both sides in regards to the issues and alot of scare mongering expecially from the NO side...so lets put it this way - we could have voted NO - It was our free decision to make again if we really felt that Lisbon was a major problem but we didnt - We had our say and we said YES!

THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION BY THE WAY Be nice in your responces

you dont believe the EU is evil?

can i ask if you are religious or if you believe in the bible at all?

My responce:

Ive no set beliefs mate - im open to learning and new philosophies and I dont dismiss any current belief systems - why didnt you post this in the main thread? What Has my religious beliefs got to do with it?

Im posting this in the main thread since it belongs there and not in my personal mail box

that didn't ask my question...and if you don't want to answer, well i cant answer why i'm asking.

Afer 27 hours up this might not be the clearest responce so...lets give it a shot

In have my own beliefs (not religious in the normal sense but i do believe in a god ( - am still discovering some elements of my spirituality at the moment actually) and not ones directed from any belief system aka religion in place - how much more info do you need - as for asking me about my religion....am I a souless evil co-olabrator? the relevence and motivation behind such a question is well......is questionable....

we live in a world of cyber activity compounding normal life - there is bound to be some monitoring of services and information - I dont completely agree with it either. Its how this information is used that raises questions and is questionable...

However as long as there are corporations and governments pushing thier agendas we will always have data recorded for various uses in order to help achieves each corporations or goverments agenda so we just have to trust in our electorial vote and our right to protest if we should see the system being abused...it is a system concieved by humans after all

Thats one way of making changes and forcing agendas down a more moral path.

Give me solid sustaining proof of both sides - There is no cumulative eveidence to support the future as a NWO or a fractured planet....we already have a world order in place eitehr way but one in discord and not in unison. I would not sacrifice morals for unity though so as long as we as a whole including the ones in power hold on to thier core common beliefs....an endevour like a world goverment with sub branches could well work but with accountibility on every level in place.

Im a pro global governance if the economic system is revamped over time and the policial system becomes more accountable to the people....

Call it Immature or Optomistic - I try not to be Cynical - and keep your arguments positive

Im going to bed

Dr. House wrote:I think someone is forgetting about the UN.

Just to clarify - I'm talking about an actual Government, not a Council.
You know, one that actually governs, has the ability to legistlate and enforce laws, to tax and distribute tax revenue, to set priorities and to see that its policies are actually being realised.
Now, sure, with seven billion people, we're talking about decantralisation and distribution of power to some extent, but more along the lines of the USA federal government, and not the EU.


I haven't read much further, I will later, and respond then.

Whether you want believe it or not there is a private group of men (the elite), who create and run secret societies and private organizations funded by their ultra-rich wealthy families that have been manipulating global markets from behind the scenes for generations. These societies and organizations secretly feed information, policies and agendas to the power structures of society. They want a global system, where one small central authority of individuals dictates policies that will be distributed down to the rest of the world.

for the sake of your eyes i have placed the rest inside a spoiler.
[spoiler]This is history repeating itself; time and time again elites have tried to have control of the known world. In today's world the real decision makers are The United Nations, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and The Builderberg Group. Its roots begin with Cecil Rhodes, founder of the diamond company De Beers, which today markets 40% of the world's rough diamonds and at one time marketed 90%. He was an ardent believer in colonialism and imperialism.

Cecil Rhodes believed that the Anglo-Saxon race was destined to greatness. In his last will and testament, Rhodes said of the British, "I contend that we are the first race in the world and that the more of the world we inhabit the better it is for the human race." At his death he was considered one of the wealthiest men in the world. In his first will, of 1877, (before he had accumulated his wealth), Rhodes wanted to create a secret society that would bring the whole world under British rule. The exact wording from this will is: "To and for the establishment, promotion and development of a Secret Society, the true aim and object whereof shall be for the extension of British rule throughout the world, the perfecting of a system of emigration from the United Kingdom, and of colonisation by British subjects of all lands where the means of livelihood are attainable by energy, labour and enterprise, and especially the occupation by British settlers of the entire Continent of Africa, the Holy Land, the Valley of the Euphrates, the Islands of Cyprus and Candia, the whole of South America, the Islands of the Pacific not heretofore possessed by Great Britain, the whole of the Malay Archipelago, the seaboard of China and Japan, the ultimate recovery of the United States of America as an integral part of the British Empire, the inauguration of a system of Colonial representation in the Imperial Parliament which may tend to weld together the disjointed members of the Empire and, finally, the foundation of so great a Power as to render wars impossible, and promote the best interests of humanity."

The secret society is known as 'The Rhodes Trust', an organization bent on world domination. This is recorded by Carroll Quigley, the historian for the secret society, and author of several books. Having access to and studying all the recorded secret documents of every event the society played a part in. He learned how they were the major players in world events since and including WW I. In his books he explains in great detail about the workings of this society. How they expanded its control by organizing first round table groups then around them the front groups. The role of these front and round table groups where to penetrate into the governments, media centers, and educational systems of all the countries in the world. In other words to penetrate all the power centers of society and take them over from the inside, without anyone being aware they were controlling influence.

In the United States they formed powerful tax exempt foundations. Like the Carnegie Endowment Fund for International Peace, The Rockefeller Foundation, Ford Foundation and many other groups like these. These people were on record saying, they had to have a new world government, and envisioned that being in-bodied in the International League of Nations. It was their very reason they encouraged and funded The United States into WW I. Their reasoning being the crisis of WW I would condition Americans into thinking about making big changes in their system. "Cause after all we certainly don't want another WW I." (fear angle). They thought by being in WW I that would grant them as major participant at the table to later carve up the world and create a new world government known as the League of Nations.

The earliest origin of the Council stemmed from a working fellowship of about 150 scholars, called "The Inquiry", they were tasked to brief Woodrow Wilson about options for the postwar world when Germany was defeated. Through 1917–1918, this academic band, including Wilson's closest adviser and long-time friend "Colonel" Edward M. House, as well as Walter Lippmann, gathered at 155th Street and Broadway at the Harold Pratt House in New York City, to assemble the strategy for the postwar world. The team produced more than 2,000 documents detailing and analyzing the political, economic, and social facts globally that would be helpful for Wilson in the peace talks. Their reports formed the basis for the Fourteen Points, which outlined Wilson's strategy for peace after war's end.

These scholars then traveled to the Paris Peace Conference, 1919 that would end the war; it was at one of the meetings of a small group of British and American diplomats and scholars, on May 30, 1919, at the Hotel Majestic, that both the Council and its British counterpart, the Chatham House in London, were born.

In all of the British dependencies, these organizations (the front groups), were called The Royal Institute of International Affairs, changed to Chatham House in 1919. And in the United States they choose the name Council on Foreign Affairs, which held exactly the same relationship to this inner society of Cecil Rhodes. It was built in 1921 and headquartered at 58 East 68th Street in New York City, with an additional office in Washington, D.C..

At the end of WWI the International League of Nations was formed as the precursor to the United Nations, under the vision of Woodrow Wilson and his 14 points. It was the first attempt at the 'New World Order', global government based on the model of collectivism. It was the brain child of the elitists, who's ancestors were the very people still working on a project of global takeover. However, The United States Senate refused to consent to the ratification of the Treaty of Versailles, making it invalid in the U.S. and effectively hamstringing the nascent League of Nations envisioned by Wilson.

Wilson said, in his book, "The New Freedom" published in 1913; "Since I entered politics, I have chiefly men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in The United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, Are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."

After a number of notable successes and some early failures in the 1920s, the League ultimately proved incapable of preventing aggression by the Axis powers in the 1930s. In May 1933, Franz Bernheim, a Jew, complained that his rights as a minority were being violated by the German administration of Upper Silesia, which induced the Germans to defer enforcement of the anti-Jewish laws in the region for several years until the relevant treaty expired in 1937, whereupon they simply refused to renew the League's authority further and renewed anti-Jewish persecution.

Hitler claimed these clauses violated Germany's sovereignty. Germany withdrew from the League, soon to be followed by many other aggressive powers. The onset of World War II showed that the League had failed its primary purpose, which was to avoid any future world war. The United Nations replaced it after the end of the war and inherited a number of agencies and organizations founded by the League.

The earliest concrete plan for a new world organization was begun under the aegis of the U.S. State Department in 1939. Franklin D. Roosevelt first coined the term 'United Nations' as a term to describe the Allied countries. The term was first officially used on January 1st 1942, when 26 governments signed the Atlantic Charter, pledging to continue the war effort. On April 25th 1945, the UN Conference on International Organization began in San Francisco, was attended by 50 governments and a number of non-governmental organizations involved in drafting the Charter of the United Nations. The UN officially came into existence on October 24th 1945 upon ratification of the Charter by the five permanent members of the Security Council; France, the Republic of China, the Soviet Union, the United Kingdom and the United States, and by a majority of the other 46 signatories. The first meetings of the General Assembly, with 51 nations represented, and the Security Council, took place in Westminster Central Hall in London in January 1946.

The UN is a step forward for the elite globalists, formed as a precursor to their one world government. It purposes is to streamline all the governments of the world in creating a global council that unifies all the rules and all regulations for the world. Seeing as a majority of governments participating are dictatorships, of one form or another, you can't mix that all up and expect to get a freedom loving governmental unit; you'd expect a global dictatorship. Since its creation, there has been controversy and criticism of the UN organization. In the United States, an early opponent of the UN was the John Birch Society, which began a "get US out of the UN" campaign in 1959, charging that the UN's aim was to establish a "One World Government."

Another private organization, The Trilateral Commission, established to foster closer cooperation among the United States, Europe and Japan. It was founded in July 1973 at the initiative of David Rockefeller, who was Chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations at that time. The Trilateral Commission is widely seen as an off-shoot of the Council on Foreign Relations.

Additionally the Bilderberg Group is a secret society, founded in 1954. It holds an annual, unofficial, invitation-only conference of approximately 140 guests, most of whom are people of influence in the fields of politics, banking, business, the military and media. The names of attendees are made available to the press. The conferences are closed to the public and the media, and no press releases are issued.

Inside these societies/organizations you find some of the most powerful and influential people in history. These people are not elected into office, but are holding the most important parts of society. The members house the tops (owners, managers, C.E.O.s, Presidents, Board of directors, ect.) of organizations in the media, education, banks, governments, and more. This is important because the soul purpose of the United Nations, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and Bilderberg Group is to create a 'New World Order', a global government based on the model of collectivism. This includes the elimination of sovereign nations. It has been known for many years that this is their objective and has been heavily criticized by people all around the world, since there creation. These elitist running the policy and events, behind the curtains, are determined to destroy sovereignty all around the globe, and they don't deny having massive control over the geopolitical arena.

My sources are:
Wikipedia and G. Edward Griffin

Is it worth a shot?
No **Filtered** way![/spoiler]

That secret society is called the Illuminati and it is a tool that will be used by The one who conquers wondrously with peace but will bring hell on earth in his one world government.

Jedi~Tank wrote:That secret society is called the Illuminati and it is a tool that will be used by The one who conquers wondrously with peace but will bring hell on earth in his one world government.

+1

Jedi~Tank wrote:That secret society is called the Illuminati and it is a tool that will be used by The one who conquers wondrously with peace but will bring hell on earth in his one world government.

actually the founder of the secret society called Illuminati was Johann Adam Weishaupt, a known Jesuit, or a member of The Society of Jesus. A group not known for conquering wondrously with peace. Higher standing members swear an oath.

[spoiler=Jesuit Oath]"I, ..........., now, in the presence of Almighty God, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the blessed Michael the Archangel, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the holy Apostles St. Peter and St. Paul and all the saints and sacred hosts of heaven, and to you, my ghostly father, the Superior General of the Society of Jesus, founded by St. Ignatius Loyola in the Pontificate of Paul the Third, and continued to the present, do by the womb of the virgin, the matrix of God, and the rod of Jesus Christ, declare and swear, that his holiness the Pope is Christ's Vice-regent and is the true and only head of the Catholic or Universal Church throughout the earth; and that by virtue of the keys of binding and loosing, given to his Holiness by my Savior, Jesus Christ, he hath power to depose heretical kings, princes, states, commonwealths and governments, all being illegal without his sacred confirmation and that they may safely be destroyed."

"Therefore, to the utmost of my power I shall and will defend this doctrine of his Holiness' right and custom against all usurpers of the heretical or Protestant authority whatever, especially the Lutheran of Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and the now pretended authority and churches of England and Scotland, and branches of the same now established in Ireland and on the Continent of America and elsewhere; and all adherents in regard that they be usurped and heretical, opposing the sacred Mother Church of Rome. I do now renounce and disown any allegiance as due to any heretical king, prince or state named Protestants or Liberals, or obedience to any of the laws, magistrates or officers."

"I do further declare that the doctrine of the churches of England and Scotland, of the Calvinists, Huguenots and others of the name Protestants or Liberals to be damnable and they themselves damned who will not forsake the same."

"I do further declare, that I will help, assist, and advise all or any of his Holiness' agents in any place wherever I shall be, in Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, England, Ireland or America, or in any other Kingdom or territory I shall come to, and do my uttermost to extirpate the heretical Protestants or Liberals' doctrines and to destroy all their pretended powers, legal or otherwise."

"I do further promise and declare, that notwithstanding I am dispensed with, to assume my religion heretical, for the propaganda of the Mother Church's interest, to keep secret and private all her agents' counsels from time to time, as they may entrust me and not to divulge, directly or indirectly, by word, writing or circumstance whatever; but to execute all that shall be proposed, given in charge or discovered unto me, by you, my ghostly father, or any of this sacred covenant."

"I do further promise and declare, that I will have no opinion or will of my own, or any mental reservation whatever, even as a corpse or cadaver (perinde ac cadaver), but will unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may receive from my superiors in the Militia of the Pope and of Jesus Christ."

"That I may go to any part of the world withersoever I may be sent, to the frozen regions of the North, the burning sands of the desert of Africa, or the jungles of India, to the centers of civilization of Europe, or to the wild haunts of the barbarous savages of America, without murmuring or repining, and will be submissive in all things whatsoever communicated to me."

"I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants' heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus."

"In confirmation of which, I hereby dedicate my life, my soul and all my corporal powers, and with this dagger which I now receive, I will subscribe my name written in my own blood, in testimony thereof; and should I prove false or weaken in my determination, may my brethren and fellow soldiers of the Militia of the Pope cut off my hands and my feet, and my throat from ear to ear, my belly opened and sulphur burned therein, with all the punishment that can be inflicted upon me on earth and my soul be tortured by demons in an eternal hell forever!"

"All of which, I, .........., do swear by the Blessed Trinity and blessed Sacraments, which I am now to receive, to perform and on my part to keep inviolable; and do call all the heavenly and glorious host of heaven to witness the blessed Sacrament of the Eucharist, and witness the same further with my name written and with the point of this dagger dipped in my own blood and sealed in the face of this holy covenant."

(He receives the wafer from the Superior and writes his name with the point of his dagger dipped in his own blood taken from over his heart.)

Superior:

"You will now rise to your feet and I will instruct you in the Catechism necessary to make yourself known to any member of the Society of Jesus belonging to this rank."

"In the first place, you, as a Brother Jesuit, will with another mutually make the ordinary sign of the cross as any ordinary Roman Catholic would; then one cross his wrists, the palms of his hands open, and the other in answer crosses his feet, one above the other; the first points with forefinger of the right hand to the center of the palm of the left, the other with the forefinger of the left hand points to the center of the palm of the right; the first then with his right hand makes a circle around his head, touching it; the other then with the forefinger of his left hand touches the left side of his body just below his heart; the first then with his right hand draws it across the throat of the other, and the latter then with a dagger down the stomach and abdomen of the first. The first then says Iustum; and the other answers Necar; the first Reges. The other answers Impious." (The meaning of which has already been explained.) "The first will then present a small piece of paper folded in a peculiar manner, four times, which the other will cut longitudinally and on opening the name Jesu will be found written upon the head and arms of a cross three times. You will then give and receive with him the following questions and answers:-"

Question:- From whither do you come?

Answer:- The Holy faith.

Q.:- Whom do you serve?

A.:- The Holy Father at Rome, the Pope, and the Roman Catholic Church Universal throughout the world.

Q.:- Who commands you?

A.:- The Successor of St. Ignatius Loyola, the founder of the Society of Jesus or the Soldiers of Jesus Christ.

Q.:- Who received you?

A.:- A venerable man in white hair.

Q.:- How?

A.:- With a naked dagger, I kneeling upon the cross beneath the banners of the Pope and of our sacred order.

Q.:- Did you take an oath?

A.:- I did, to destroy heretics and their governments and rulers, and to spare neither age, sex nor condition. To be as a corpse without any opinion or will of my own, but to implicitly obey my Superiors in all things without hesitation of murmuring.

Q.:- Will you do that?

A.:- I will.

Q.:- How do you travel?

A.:- In the bark of Peter the fisherman.

Q.:- Whither do you travel?

A.:- To the four quarters of the globe.

Q.:- For what purpose?

A.:- To obey the orders of my general and Superiors and execute the will of the Pope and faithfully fulfill the conditions of my oaths.

Q.:- Go ye, then, into all the world and take possession of all lands in the name of the Pope. He who will not accept him as the Vicar of Jesus and his Vice-regent on earth, let him be accursed and exterminated."[/spoiler]

Jesuits were notorious for playing both sides of a war, And thus the Thirty year war.