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@ JT, Im sure we will disagree as we seem to very often in the current ''for admin suggestions area'', but as Easy^ says FS are happy to put our suggestions forward, listen to & discuss suggestions made by others in a polite and constructive way putting all personal and ingame disputes to one side. Tis a noble thing you are doing bringing friends & enemies together for the greater benefit of the game.

Have to say I am very interested in how this will be implemented, if you have already decided, or are still discussing procedural and technical setup, rules of conduct etc.

I also wonder if a game admin could be invited to the group to comment on viability of coding, memory requirement & access speeds regarding any suggestions made.

Im sure you have lots of volunteers already, probably better versed in diplomacy and Techinal stuff than me, but if I can assist in anyway please dont hesitate to contact me.

The Confederacy is glad to show it's support for this endeavor
Clearly some logistics might be a problem, but we're happy to help in any way we can
Many of us have felt this kind of council has long been needed
We're pleased to be here from it's start

the biggest and hardest change this game needs comes not from the game itself but from the attitude and behaviour of the ppl playing it.

ƒëmmë ƒatalë wrote:the biggest and hardest change this game needs comes not from the game itself but from the attitude and behaviour of the ppl playing it.

Nicely said.

And nice to see various people get together for greater good.

PS: As far as advertising the game goes - something is being done here as I made a banner for admin which will or is being used on various advertising sites so something is being done here by admin already.

~N

ƒëmmë ƒatalë wrote:the biggest and hardest change this game needs comes not from the game itself but from the attitude and behaviour of the ppl playing it.

True indeed - but I think the structure of elements of teh game is an easier target than trying to alters peoples method of playing somehow Ye never know what concensus work will do tho - it will surely open up insight into each other more

ƒëmmë ƒatalë wrote:the biggest and hardest change this game needs comes not from the game itself but from the attitude and behaviour of the ppl playing it.

Some modesty would do you people good.

You are grade A douches, I`ll give you that, but you cant hold a candle to the fact a newbie would have spend a year ascending just to get to a level playing field. You`d have to be completely bonkers to take up this game from scratch today without buying a decent account with $.

If we want new players we`re gonna have to a) learn how to share the sandbox (the houses situation clearly demonstrates we DONT like to share) & b) give up some ground (either by giving up bonuses or severely speeding up and cheapening their acquisition compared to what we had to do).

Personally I think ascensions are the cancer that is killing the game and admin only ever ads more, which tells me he`s all but given up on this game and will just cater to those of us already here for as long as we can make it worth his while.

I would reset ascended and redesign it to slow it down.Then I`d give the "fresh" ascended accounts something like APPs are now for their past "troubles" (n of ascensions and DMU invested in their old accounts), a modest amount, nothing enough to make the advantage obscene. On main I`d drastically cut the bonus ascensions give OR redesign the base races and open up (base race exclusive) paths of advancement that would rival ascending and ideally give them an edge in certain fields.



If all this "council" produces amounts to nothing more than a fresh coat of paint then you might as well not even bother cos you`re just wasting time.

Personally I`m not holding much hope. Its always "me me me" when it comes to in game perks around here, no matter the fancy/noble rhetoric of such discussions. "We want a nicer game, we want new people, kumbaya and all that jazz. But dont even think about touching this update/this house/this bonus, I worked bloody hard for that, why should lazy people be given a hand? In fact admin, can you put in this update that favors me a bit more lolz?" But hey, miracles happen lol. Maybe this time we`re serious an willing to take a hit for the "team" heh.

In reply to your negativity there Brdavs..if all we are after is a fresh coat of paint I do not think any of us would have watsed the last 5 or 6 months discussing this idea. We have a plan and we intend to work that plan to its full potential.

Brdavs wrote:

ƒëmmë ƒatalë wrote:the biggest and hardest change this game needs comes not from the game itself but from the attitude and behaviour of the ppl playing it.

Some modesty would do you people good.

You are grade A douches, I`ll give you that, but you cant hold a candle to the fact a newbie would have spend a year ascending just to get to a level playing field. You`d have to be completely bonkers to take up this game from scratch today without buying a decent account with $.

If we want new players we`re gonna have to a) learn how to share the sandbox (the houses situation clearly demonstrates we DONT like to share) & b) give up some ground (either by giving up bonuses or severely speeding up and cheapening their acquisition compared to what we had to do).

Personally I think ascensions are the cancer that is killing the game and admin only ever ads more, which tells me he`s all but given up on this game and will just cater to those of us already here for as long as we can make it worth his while.

I would reset ascended and redesign it to slow it down.Then I`d give the "fresh" ascended accounts something like APPs are now for their past "troubles" (n of ascensions and DMU invested in their old accounts), a modest amount, nothing enough to make the advantage obscene. On main I`d drastically cut the bonus ascensions give OR redesign the base races and open up (base race exclusive) paths of advancement that would rival ascending and ideally give them an edge in certain fields.



If all this "council" produces amounts to nothing more than a fresh coat of paint then you might as well not even bother cos you`re just wasting time.

Personally I`m not holding much hope. Its always "me me me" when it comes to in game perks around here, no matter the fancy/noble rhetoric of such discussions. "We want a nicer game, we want new people, kumbaya and all that jazz. But dont even think about touching this update/this house/this bonus, I worked bloody hard for that, why should lazy people be given a hand? In fact admin, can you put in this update that favors me a bit more lolz?" But hey, miracles happen lol. Maybe this time we`re serious an willing to take a hit for the "team" heh.

Quite Dispondent arent we

Well the houses should be demolished....or the voting system changed in order to allow better spread of votes - say a max voting power for alliances....the covert updates has thrown the game in the hands of the higher coverts bought...problem is with ascension people cant afford to invest in such coverts while those finished ascending can....so what if they worked to get thiere first. New players in teh game have to be able to compete with the bigger boys on some extent and the covert/sabbing update hands more power to the already strong...

So i suggest:
- Chat about House Voting
- Chat about Covert/Sabbing Update
- Chat about ME distribution (defences and attacks should be the same)
Or just demolish the updates all together and start from scratch since the game as a better balance beofre and then we can work from there to improve things

Thats my positive thinking on the matter - It would be a good start

Brdavs wrote:

ƒëmmë ƒatalë wrote:the biggest and hardest change this game needs comes not from the game itself but from the attitude and behaviour of the ppl playing it.

Some modesty would do you people good.

You are grade A douches, I`ll give you that, but you cant hold a candle to the fact a newbie would have spend a year ascending just to get to a level playing field. You`d have to be completely bonkers to take up this game from scratch today without buying a decent account with $.

If we want new players we`re gonna have to a) learn how to share the sandbox (the houses situation clearly demonstrates we DONT like to share) & b) give up some ground (either by giving up bonuses or severely speeding up and cheapening their acquisition compared to what we had to do).

Personally I think ascensions are the cancer that is killing the game and admin only ever ads more, which tells me he`s all but given up on this game and will just cater to those of us already here for as long as we can make it worth his while.

I would reset ascended and redesign it to slow it down.Then I`d give the "fresh" ascended accounts something like APPs are now for their past "troubles" (n of ascensions and DMU invested in their old accounts), a modest amount, nothing enough to make the advantage obscene. On main I`d drastically cut the bonus ascensions give OR redesign the base races and open up (base race exclusive) paths of advancement that would rival ascending and ideally give them an edge in certain fields.



If all this "council" produces amounts to nothing more than a fresh coat of paint then you might as well not even bother cos you`re just wasting time.

Personally I`m not holding much hope. Its always "me me me" when it comes to in game perks around here, no matter the fancy/noble rhetoric of such discussions. "We want a nicer game, we want new people, kumbaya and all that jazz. But dont even think about touching this update/this house/this bonus, I worked bloody hard for that, why should lazy people be given a hand? In fact admin, can you put in this update that favors me a bit more lolz?" But hey, miracles happen lol. Maybe this time we`re serious an willing to take a hit for the "team" heh.

For Once Brdavs I agree with you..

Alot of suggestions for updates are not set to help everyone or the smaller guys it is set to help a certain alliance or certain person... And it continues to get farther out of reach for newer players...

Hikiru wrote:The Confederacy is glad to show it's support for this endeavor
Clearly some logistics might be a problem, but we're happy to help in any way we can
Many of us have felt this kind of council has long been needed
We're pleased to be here from it's start

Jorgensen wrote:Great JT..

Tekki wrote:Someone from OE will be involved for the next month while I'm away but otherwise we are highly supportive of initiatives that help and promote game play and keep recruit others into the game.

Tekki
1IC of Omegan Empire

What she said

Indeed.

The Magnificents Alliance wishes to join this initiative.

In response to the negative comments, I agree that many of the new updates are bad, and simply make the strong stronger. This is partly down to admin being out of touch, and maybe even giving up on new players while trying to please and keep the old guard playing, but it is also down to so few people contributing in the the 'suggestions' and 'update discussions' area's. I visit these area's quite a lot and just see the same old names over and over again, usually just arguing ( that includes me ).

I think most of the older players and alliances know that the game will slowly die without new blood, and all there effort will go to waste if that happens, so they have 2 options, sell up while accounts still have $$ value ( as many have ), or come up with solutions and present them to admin with a united front.

I dont know if this will work, but there's nothing to be lost by trying and the more alliances who put forward representatives the better the chances of success get.

MEZZANINE wrote:In response to the negative comments, I agree that many of the new updates are bad, and simply make the strong stronger. This is partly down to admin being out of touch, and maybe even giving up on new players while trying to please and keep the old guard playing, but it is also down to so few people contributing in the the 'suggestions' and 'update discussions' area's. I visit these area's quite a lot and just see the same old names over and over again, usually just arguing ( that includes me ).

I think most of the older players and alliances know that the game will slowly die without new blood, and all there effort will go to waste if that happens, so they have 2 options, sell up while accounts still have $$ value ( as many have ), or come up with solutions and present them to admin with a united front.

I dont know if this will work, but there's nothing to be lost by trying and the more alliances who put forward representatives the better the chances of success get.

Agree we have to try and if we are persistent in our intent then we will succeed.

Eärendil wrote:I personally like the idea of this but I also agree with Brdavs on how the vocal majority acts. That is the first thing that needs to be changed.

If you guys are sincere to this, then prove it to the Administrators and perhaps a section will be made, perhaps.

Then we will have to show them wont we

Persistence overcomes resistance.

Brdavs wrote:

ƒëmmë ƒatalë wrote:the biggest and hardest change this game needs comes not from the game itself but from the attitude and behaviour of the ppl playing it.

Some modesty would do you people good.

You are grade A douches, I`ll give you that, but you cant hold a candle to the fact a newbie would have spend a year ascending just to get to a level playing field. You`d have to be completely bonkers to take up this game from scratch today without buying a decent account with $.

If we want new players we`re gonna have to a) learn how to share the sandbox (the houses situation clearly demonstrates we DONT like to share) & b) give up some ground (either by giving up bonuses or severely speeding up and cheapening their acquisition compared to what we had to do).

Personally I think ascensions are the cancer that is killing the game and admin only ever ads more, which tells me he`s all but given up on this game and will just cater to those of us already here for as long as we can make it worth his while.

I would reset ascended and redesign it to slow it down.Then I`d give the "fresh" ascended accounts something like APPs are now for their past "troubles" (n of ascensions and DMU invested in their old accounts), a modest amount, nothing enough to make the advantage obscene. On main I`d drastically cut the bonus ascensions give OR redesign the base races and open up (base race exclusive) paths of advancement that would rival ascending and ideally give them an edge in certain fields.



If all this "council" produces amounts to nothing more than a fresh coat of paint then you might as well not even bother cos you`re just wasting time.

Personally I`m not holding much hope. Its always "me me me" when it comes to in game perks around here, no matter the fancy/noble rhetoric of such discussions. "We want a nicer game, we want new people, kumbaya and all that jazz. But dont even think about touching this update/this house/this bonus, I worked bloody hard for that, why should lazy people be given a hand? In fact admin, can you put in this update that favors me a bit more lolz?" But hey, miracles happen lol. Maybe this time we`re serious an willing to take a hit for the "team" heh.

Good and bad ideas here. We need to fix the housing situation, it is VERY unfair, but clearing ascended?!? Deleting ascensions? What about those of us that worked hard to ascend and build a great ascended? (Not me, I bought this acct with ingame resources) Think about it. It really wouldn't be fair to do that.