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[kaboom]

JT yr point is a totally crap and u know it better then the rest of us, u just supporting someone else and that all.

regarding c2 def it fell when he wanted it gone, and it lasted 2 wars so dont tell here it was time cuz those who we were at war those times were able to mass it. there was one failing attempt and 2 different plans to get him. u got it when he didnt want it anymore thats all.

Yea sure Lith

@Easy, if you can take it take it, Farm at your own risk.

He tried that boss why yu think he not lub me no more

[Clarkey]

If you can mass it then mass it, and deal with it.
If you can't mass it then you can't mass it, and deal with it.
If they are playing by the rules, then deal with it.

Basically, deal with it and stop trying to change the game because you can't do something!

[Feri]

Well the whole plague limit/ massive stats arguement was brought up by a player over the plague limit wishing to discuss it, its not for anyone to decide wether someone thinks its right to flame or ridicule someone who thinks its unfair because from some perspective it is

The idea of these meetings is for admins to see where the game is heading and how to keep it alive, not to start flaming threads against people who think differently than you

The biggest problem is still alliance ppt/repair rather than anything else.

ie: you get an Unspeakable account who is ascending to Unknown. You get them to declare war with you, then you fully covert-phase them with successful sabs. Then they build a massive strike - pour everything into that strike and forget def/covert. Have several accounts on standby to feed them strike mercs and uu when needed. That Unspeakable masses his def, whilst another account (c.39) is doing the sabbing and another doing the ACing (ac.38). The Unspeakable then ascends and retains 75% of the naq for the strike weps. Job done

Only problem is the alliance ppt/repair - you need a half hour window. If Feri is the only one who can defend that def, then its infinitely more doable than if you have others watching the alliance logs and able to step in....one person cannot always be online, but with 1IC,2IC,3IC rotating then someone can always step in....

EDIT: and anyone who thinks this is new, there have always been accounts that border on the untouchable - C2 a while ago, all of DD in ascended, and anyone remember ETL, Jake, Iron, and Fox back in 05 with their coverts? Fact is, what Feri is doing is no different to if he had no def: if someone built no def and sniped at people with c.39, then they could do infinitely more damage and be even more untouchable.

Not everyone want to mass people with the slogan "This massing was brought to you by mastercard"

Is it technically possible within the game mechanics for Feri to be massed? Yes

Is it practically possible? No

To mass his def you are going to need 400 mil att supers! (yes the % allows you to have a lower strike, but to join the lottery of beating his personal PPT, Alliance PPT, alliance repair, then you need to be hitting as hard as you can.

Now lets look at how practical it is to put 400mil supers in att, well if I want that many strike weapons...I need some sort of covert, ok let me scrape together any other spare UU I can muster....now to protect my covert I need a def...but wait....where do I magically get the UU to do that? Show me all the accounts that currently have that many trainable UU.

So what's the other option? sabbing? with covert 39 it would take 286mil spies per sab and 15mil would die each time. Covert 38 you need more like 340mil spies with 22mil dying each time. Again while possible, but assuming the sabber has some sort of def, then they'd have to go raiding after every 2-5 hits - at this point you again hope Alliance PPT, personal PPT, other people noticing the attack and start massing you happen.

Lets look at all the people who currently have covert 39...how many of those farmed all the naq needed for it? and please be honest.

Bottom line no one cares what the cost is to mass the top account, it would just be nice if it were possible, the current raid cap doesn't allow for even the most organised alliance to go after it.

As for the aformentioned plague update, whereby officers UP doesn't count, that was actually proposed by someone who would immeadiately be affected by it.

All the problems in this game have been caused by $$ (this is not me saying I've never spent any) but things should have been capped long ago, i.e the amount you can spend per game week on the ingame market, limit to 1 x USS per month

I wonder how many people would build enormous defs in the 100s of trills if there were no alliance repair/PPTs and they actually had to defend their stats themselves ?

Actually no need to wonder, look at stats before the alliance repair/PPT were invented, no one built that big.

Fact is these huge defs were made worth building by updates some people wanted and asked admin for, for their own benefit. Now the same people dont want updates others are asking admin for.

Its a huge double standard and this is the kind of selfish BS thats killing the game.

You know I don't mind accusations if they are true, but if alliance repair and ppt are the issues people have then HEY lets talk about that.

Those updates were NOT asked for by anyone in mH especially not myself.

TL among others have been the ones who wanted and use these updates the most...
I on the other hand have always been one of the outspoken against alliance repair and ppt as they make it too much about alliance protecting you and not enough about the individual player.

I am ALL for removing alliance repair and ppt and furthermore anyone who has fought with mH knows that the malarky that is being said about omg someone always watching the logs sadly just isn't true.

Am I saying we just aren't organized for it? probably. We have never as effectively implemented the alliance repair or timed ppt used as TL, OE, DDE etc...

but dont try and blame nobody massing me on things like alliance repair or alliance ppt.
The same people that asked for alliance repair and ppt are the same ones asking for the plague limiting updates and complaining about so called unmassable stats when it hasn't even been attempted.
And it was discussed some by someone who is over plague, but the initial complaints about it were not from someone over plague.


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[jedi~tank]

And for the record, DDE didnt ask for any of the alliance repairs, bank size increase,alliance ppt's... nor did we promote it nor were we in favor of it , we just rolled with it and adapted to it.

edit: Now ya'll think back as to why these updates were requested in the first place.

[Robe]

TL most certainly did not ask for whats has been dubbed by many as the "Empire House Updates".

In our recent war with Mayhem we were more active in game and therefore made better use the Alliance Functions.

Personally I would also be delighted to see the Alliance Defence Repairs and Alliance PPT removed from the game.

Although I think the number of Alliance Attack Repairs could be increased so that small alliances were better equipped to mass some of the bigger defences being built in the game (over 100t).

[jedi~tank]

I don't really see why a small alliance would care much for taking down a 100t Def =/ Most of them i'm sure would just ignore it.

Sniper alliances of hired guns or multi's to harrass..a common tactic being employed vigorously these days.

[Iƒrit]

lets get one fact straight complaining/crying and criticizing are two separate things

[Robe]

There is a good reason why many players that care about the game (and not their own self interest) are going to the admin meetings and posting in forums suggesting that its time to review the plague.

The prime reason being is that is no longer able to prevent players from building massive accounts that the average player or alliance has no chance of competing with.

We should all be considering the game from the position of a new player or an emerging alliance.

The game needs to remain competitive in order to retain the interest of all players and not just a select few...

[~Coyle~]

There is a good reason why many players that care about the game (and not their own self interest) are going to the admin meetings and posting in forums suggesting that its time to review the plague.

The prime reason being is that is no longer able to prevent players from building massive accounts that the average player or alliance has no chance of competing with.

We should all be considering the game from the position of a new player or an emerging alliance.

The game needs to remain competitive in order to retain the interest of all players and not just a select few...

[jedi~tank]

There is a good reason why many players that care about the game (and not their own self interest) are going to the admin meetings and posting in forums suggesting that its time to review the plague.

The prime reason being is that is no longer able to prevent players from building massive accounts that the average player or alliance has no chance of competing with.

We should all be considering the game from the position of a new player or an emerging alliance.

The game needs to remain competitive in order to retain the interest of all players and not just a select few...

Exactly, that meet I am addressing represents a select few.

@Earindil..indeed..when these things come up its always by someone that feels threatened by someone. Besides with the way Feri is set up he is doing HIS alliance good by attracting new and average players because he is in a position to provide and protect...POINT!

[dresnov]

Isn't the admin to blame at the end of the day?
He's the one that releases the updates after its all said and then.

If he does what group A says...and ignores the rest....its not the people that complains fault but his for not standing his ground and releasing updates to keep them few happy instead of releasing updates thats healthy for the game.

Id like to see an Update that is JUST FOR new players and players that are Before LG.
Something that helps them in understanding the game easily and something that helps them grow faster until LG.


I may be wrong but I havn't seen any UPDATE that helps new players out significantly.

[jedi~tank]

Im not so sure Admin can be to blame for everything Dresnov, we the players are the caretakers and we arent doing a very good job of it with all this tit for tat **Filtered** and the constant trying to get a mechanical egde because a foe has it..another way to say it.."he has 5 cookies and I only got 4" bla bla bla..anyways this thread has run its course I believe. Feel free to dump and burn it or leave I dont care.

[Couzens]

Not everyone want to mass people with the slogan "This massing was brought to you by mastercard"

Is it technically possible within the game mechanics for Feri to be massed? Yes

Is it practically possible? No

To mass his def you are going to need 400 mil att supers! (yes the % allows you to have a lower strike, but to join the lottery of beating his personal PPT, Alliance PPT, alliance repair, then you need to be hitting as hard as you can.

Now lets look at how practical it is to put 400mil supers in att, well if I want that many strike weapons...I need some sort of covert, ok let me scrape together any other spare UU I can muster....now to protect my covert I need a def...but wait....where do I magically get the UU to do that? Show me all the accounts that currently have that many trainable UU.

So what's the other option? sabbing? with covert 39 it would take 286mil spies per sab and 15mil would die each time. Covert 38 you need more like 340mil spies with 22mil dying each time. Again while possible, but assuming the sabber has some sort of def, then they'd have to go raiding after every 2-5 hits - at this point you again hope Alliance PPT, personal PPT, other people noticing the attack and start massing you happen.

Lets look at all the people who currently have covert 39...how many of those farmed all the naq needed for it? and please be honest.

Bottom line no one cares what the cost is to mass the top account, it would just be nice if it were possible, the current raid cap doesn't allow for even the most organised alliance to go after it.

As for the aformentioned plague update, whereby officers UP doesn't count, that was actually proposed by someone who would immeadiately be affected by it.

All the problems in this game have been caused by $$ (this is not me saying I've never spent any) but things should have been capped long ago, i.e the amount you can spend per game week on the ingame market, limit to 1 x USS per month

This has a easy anwser...

Get 1 account to sabb
Get 1 account to mass
Get 1 account to AC

or combine some of it... thats how yu bring a def down thats to big for just one person

Cos its a game with aliances and houses and aliance wars and house wars

But you need ppl willin to play the game to loose recources to get what they want. its in the game description @ the login page.

lol @ your reply, if you cannot see the flaw in your own "answer" i'm not going to point it out

I'll tell you what, you get the 3 best players you can find, and try it - be sure to come back and let us know how badly you failed though, yeah?

Lmao , yu dont need the 3 best players if you cant see the fault/funny in you'r reply im sure others will laugh @/and or point it out to you

you all r complainin (mostly same ppl) but thats all you do complain have a go @ it serious the NO CAN DO attitude wont get you results. or is it the ppl complainin who dont wanna loose recources and or there precious rank to do annything about it ?

Again its pretty clear

Player 1 sabbs it down
Player 2 masses the rest down
Player 3 ac's

Or combine some of it. ITS A WAR GAME WITH ALIANCE'S. someone got rank 1 if your aliance boss wants it, TAKE IT ! know your enemy watch when yu can have a go and take it down. dont wine like someone who allready lost. or dont wanna spend recources to do it. cos someone sure as hell spend recources to take rank 1
and instead of worry'n that someone takes it down he now has to worry bout ppl who dont wanna spend annything or burn recources that they talk the admin into takin it down.

Sorry i am not up to date with things so i wasnt going to post but i saw this post, yes we play this game for fun and with/for friends and most participate in alliances etc... but even though im in an alliance doesnt mean i want/need them to help me mass someone else in this game, i play this game for myself as an individual and want to be able to at least have a shot at massing someone not sitting back going oh i cant mass him i need 2 other people to help me, now im on about this in general not this specific subject cos i dunno what feri stats are etc, or anyone else you might be on about, and atm i dont know if it can be massed or not and i actually like feri but im just saying in general that you shouldnt have to rely on 2-3 people to be able to mass someone else not everyone likes to play/war in a group all the time some like some individual attention here and there

[Iƒrit]

what I don't get is why people are personalizing the criticizing going on....

IMO....
Plague should be used to keep growth down so others can catch up (that's called balance). Clearly the game has developed to a point where the plague mechanics need to be reviewed, what do you expect in a game that never resets. I don't think people are out to get anyone specific, but to restore balance, and certain people are being used as examples

[dresnov]

Im not so sure Admin can be to blame for everything Dresnov, we the players are the caretakers and we arent doing a very good job of it with all this tit for tat **Filtered** and the constant trying to get a mechanical egde because a foe has it..another way to say it.."he has 5 cookies and I only got 4" bla bla bla..anyways this thread has run its course I believe. Feel free to dump and burn it or leave I dont care.

Yea true..BUT....he has to take ALOT of the blame for whats going on atm.
And again true we are the caretakers of the game..but he only listens to a small few caretakers...and dismisses the rest.
Instead of listing to them all and taking the best info he sees and working with that, instead he helps those coming up asking him for more and better quality cookies.