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Posted: **Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:32 am**

the email woutertje007@hotmail.co.uk doesnt exists. if it doesnt then he has never sent any $ to it , even tho it has to be registered and validated to paypal.

Posted: **Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:32 am**

Thanks Lith.

And since you can't register a paypal account with an unverified e-mail, you should get the warning that your 'trade partner' is not found.
Since no actual trade could have been done on Paypal, Paypal will not be able to do anything in this regard either.

Posted: **Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:40 am**

Well yes they can't as this is against the norm of scammers selling accounts and getting payment for nothing

Good luck mate, I would tell admin he assisted a scam though

Posted: **Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:46 am**

[BoT] Jason wrote:Well yes they can't as this is against the norm of scammers selling accounts and getting payment for nothing

Good luck mate, I would tell admin he assisted a scam though

if Ace doesnt provide evidence then he ll earn that scumy tag unless he send payment to Cali within 24-48 hrs.
if nothing then im willing to start a petition that wo ever of this comunity can sign it and we can send it to admin so he can fix his mistake.

Posted: **Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:57 am**

Lithium wrote:if nothing then im willing to start a petition that wo ever of this comunity can sign it and we can send it to admin so he can fix his mistake.

That is BS. Good-hearted and well-intended.. but BS nonetheless. Jay has specified his reply clearly.

Posted: **Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:05 pm**

what has he replied ?

Posted: **Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:07 pm**

Lithium wrote:what has he replied ?

He has not replied to this particular case. It is, however, no different from other scam reports.
The reply is the same thing as always:

Kingdom Games, StarGateWars, the forum admin, the game admin, TAKE ABSOLUTELY NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR CURRENCY TRADES outside of the game itself. We simply cannot monitor/validate/track/prove/disprove/confirm or deny the details, or if they happened.
Many are scams - and just because they are here, or are by recognizable players/people, does not change this.
IF YOU TRADE FOR REAL CURRENCY, AND GET SCAMMED OR DONT GET WHAT YOU THOUGHT YOU SHOULD, WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING TO HELP YOU, so do not even ask...The answer is "Sorry. We cannot help you. You just lost your money."

Posted: **Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:12 pm**

Juliette wrote:
Lithium wrote:what has he replied ?
He has not replied to this particular case. It is, however, no different from other scam reports.
The reply is the same thing as always:
Kingdom Games, StarGateWars, the forum admin, the game admin, TAKE ABSOLUTELY NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR CURRENCY TRADES outside of the game itself. We simply cannot monitor/validate/track/prove/disprove/confirm or deny the details, or if they happened.
Many are scams - and just because they are here, or are by recognizable players/people, does not change this.
IF YOU TRADE FOR REAL CURRENCY, AND GET SCAMMED OR DONT GET WHAT YOU THOUGHT YOU SHOULD, WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING TO HELP YOU, so do not even ask...The answer is "Sorry. We cannot help you. You just lost your money."

none is asking for admin to give teh acc back. if admin has changed ascended details then he has been lied or has done a mistake. its a trade that went wrong and admin should not fix/change anything in favor of one. If he was lied/mislead-ed then all he can do is to revert back only the ascended details.

Posted: **Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:17 pm**

This is true. Calibretto contacted me on MSN about it, and I spoke to Uzumaki Naruto or "Ace". Ace said he would pay him, as it says here.

Ace wrote:well i would of payed him the full amount earlier but i had to wait till payday and god damn paypal was being an ass!!!!!!

Ace wrote:i told him that he would get the full amount on the 28th which is 2moro, we both agreed on this

Ace wrote:payment has been sent as gift to Calibretto $1100

The fact that Ace did not pay Calibretto should mean the account is returned to Cali, and the account reset to what it was before the selling.

Just saw this now, hopefully that helps out some.

Posted: **Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:21 pm**

Noobert wrote:The fact that Ace did not pay Calibretto should mean the account is returned to Cali, and the account reset to what it was before the selling.

You know as well as I do that that is not going to happen.

And if it does, I will open suit for 3 accounts I sold before for which I did not receive payment.
Floodgate.
Not likely to open, not even for a painful case like this. Good luck though.

Lithium wrote:none is asking for admin to give teh acc back. if admin has changed ascended details then he has been lied or has done a mistake. its a trade that went wrong and admin should not fix/change anything in favor of one. If he was lied/mislead-ed then all he can do is to revert back only the ascended details.

Looks like my boss just did.

Posted: **Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:02 pm**

Juliette wrote:
Noobert wrote:The fact that Ace did not pay Calibretto should mean the account is returned to Cali, and the account reset to what it was before the selling.
You know as well as I do that that is not going to happen. And if it does, I will open suit for 3 accounts I sold before for which I did not receive payment.
Floodgate.
Not likely to open, not even for a painful case like this. Good luck though.

Lithium wrote:none is asking for admin to give teh acc back. if admin has changed ascended details then he has been lied or has done a mistake. its a trade that went wrong and admin should not fix/change anything in favor of one. If he was lied/mislead-ed then all he can do is to revert back only the ascended details.
Looks like my boss just did.

Not the same thing Juliette, this is a huge account with great ascended stats, I do not mean insult, but I am sure your accounts do not match this. On top of this, if Ace wishes to trade with the community and not be branded as a scammer, then I would hope that he is able to explain the reasons behind this. Though, you are completely right, this isn't down to Jason but the integrity of Ace. Otherwise, he is a scammer and should be blacklisted.

Correct, if Jason assisted in giving login details to something that does not belong to somebody, then he has done wrong. If not and Ace has somehow hacked the ascended account, then again...it's Ace in the wrong.

Posted: **Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:12 pm**

Field Marshall wrote:Not the same thing Juliette, this is a huge account with great ascended stats, I do not mean insult, but I am sure your accounts do not match this. On top of this, if Ace wishes to trade with the community and not be branded as a scammer, then I would hope that he is able to explain the reasons behind this. Though, you are completely right, this isn't down to Jason but the integrity of Ace. Otherwise, he is a scammer and should be blacklisted.

The value should not factor into this. If admin wants to make a private arrangement with Cali and Ace, then that's his prerogative, but the principle stands. Admin cannot be held accountable for cash trades gone wrong. Whether I buy 10T, or 1Q Naq, it's all outside Admin's scope.
He can deviate from that policy, but if he does, it still opens the floodgate. At what value would one pass the threshold for admin's dealings? That's a can of worms admin did not want to open before, which is why we have had the very present "caveat emptor" since years now.

You're completely right about not matching it, though. The three combined would never have matched up.

Field Marshall wrote:Correct, if Jason assisted in giving login details to something that does not belong to somebody, then he has done wrong. If not and Ace has somehow hacked the ascended account, then again...it's Ace in the wrong.

Again. Admin cannot be held accountable for trades gone wrong. Possession of the MAIN account is leading, since precedent is many sales in which only the Main details were passed to the buyer. This has been public knowledge for at least 3 years, around the same time the caveat emptor was published.

Again. Not admin's responsibility.

Posted: **Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:18 pm**

Juliette wrote:
Field Marshall wrote:Not the same thing Juliette, this is a huge account with great ascended stats, I do not mean insult, but I am sure your accounts do not match this. On top of this, if Ace wishes to trade with the community and not be branded as a scammer, then I would hope that he is able to explain the reasons behind this. Though, you are completely right, this isn't down to Jason but the integrity of Ace. Otherwise, he is a scammer and should be blacklisted.
The value should not factor into this. If admin wants to make a private arrangement with Cali and Ace, then that's his prerogative, but the principle stands. Admin cannot be held accountable for cash trades gone wrong. Whether I buy 10T, or 1Q Naq, it's all outside Admin's scope.
He can deviate from that policy, but if he does, it still opens the floodgate. At what value would one pass the threshold for admin's dealings? That's a can of worms admin did not want to open before, which is why we have had the very present "caveat emptor" since years now.

You're completely right about not matching it, though. The three combined would never have matched up.
Field Marshall wrote:Correct, if Jason assisted in giving login details to something that does not belong to somebody, then he has done wrong. If not and Ace has somehow hacked the ascended account, then again...it's Ace in the wrong.
Again. Admin cannot be held accountable for trades gone wrong. Possession of the MAIN account is leading, since precedent is many sales in which only the Main details were passed to the buyer. This has been public knowledge for at least 3 years, around the same time the caveat emptor was published.

Again. Not admin's responsibility.

Prehaps but as you know, Jason does have a sense of morality...I think he'd be annoyed if he assisted in this if it is infact truth...I'll try and catch him Friday in the meet and direct him to this, see if he remembers anything.

Posted: **Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:56 am**

Unfortunately, Admin couldn't do anything:

[16:36:37] Common channels with adminGone: #theplace
[16:38:23] <Field_Marshall> Mr Jason, hope you are well...basically, we've been led to believe that you might have accidently reset an ascended password/details for an account that should never have been reset. It relates to a $$ sale, Ascended was kept as guarantee. $$ was never exchanged, password never given. However, the person with the account now has FULL access to ascended and the original logins now fail.
[16:47:09] <adminGone> ok so how'd that happen? and have an ID? is it yours?
[16:49:50] <Field_Marshall> No it's Calibretto's, he has emailed you and given full authority for me to speak on his behalf due to the fact that he cannot login during admin meets. The email sent at Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:22:10 +0200 and I was copied in.
[16:49:55] <Field_Marshall> Main: ID 71521, and was named Calibretto or Bucephalus
[16:50:05] <Field_Marshall> Ascended: id=2095Realm: PD Overseer: Portgas D [] Race: Ajna Rank: 1,872
[16:50:23] <adminGone> is it just asc in question or main too? and how did the other dude get the logins?
[16:51:08] <Field_Marshall> He offered to pay for the account, main passwords/logins were given voluntarily.
[16:51:20] <Field_Marshall> He has since somehow got access to ascended account too.
[16:51:25] <Field_Marshall> No logins given.
[16:51:36] <adminGone> the asc account can always be reset to the main details
[16:51:46] <Field_Marshall> I presume, he has asked you to reset the account/change passwords OR hacked it somehow...
[16:52:06] <Field_Marshall> Ok, this I didn't know.
[16:52:13] <adminGone> i do not remember doing any acct changes recently, but if a asc users ssays 'make it like main' and the account is the mains' account, i do it
[16:52:18] <adminGone> as it is the asc account of the main acct
[16:52:38] <adminGone> what i can do -- if it works -- is clone the asc acct and make a 'mainless' acct
[16:53:41] <Field_Marshall> The issue was that he didn't want the buyer to have access to ascended until he recieved payment...I don't think a clone would solve anything.
[16:53:51] <adminGone> ohhh
[16:53:55] <adminGone> so a potential scam
[16:54:01] <adminGone> in an accutn sale
[16:54:08] <adminGone> or 'non payment' for an outside of game agreement
[16:54:14] <adminGone> i think you see where this is heading
[16:54:58] <Field_Marshall> Indeed and that's fair enough because I didn't know about the ascended reset to main details.
[16:55:13] <Field_Marshall> Thank you for your time and concern, it was a long shot

I guess we now await only on Ace's honesty...it would seem, considering that he didn't reply to this thread, even though I gave him the link that he has now disappeared and a usual active player has been very busy of late.

Posted: **Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:09 pm**

You should have continued. You could have said something like "Is the outcome not the same though? The account was stolen. Scammed, or otherwise the account was stolen. Does that not give grounds for return?"

Either way..Jason should return it, especially an account of that size. The downside is though that he probably won't for that very reason he stated.

You could continue to pester him for a while, and he'll eventually give in (hopefully?).

Ace's honesty? There is no honesty needed. The account was not paid for, so the account should rightfully go back to the original owner. Otherwise what is the point of the Market to begin with?

You could try presenting the case to Jason as "I spend X amount of money on this game, and I do not get any help with retrieving my account?" blah blah blah..

If you truly want the account, you'll do anything to get it back. :smt047

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