G&R points for not ascended accounts

[Quina Quen]

The reason I am opposed to this is twofold: Firstly, because I believe (but am not sure) that if and when descension happens, then if a player is descended from the ascended server, they will lose their bonuses in the main server (please correct me if I am wrong).

Now, if this is to happen, it hardly seems fair for somebody else to benefitting from an ascension function (G&R) to gain bonuses which CANNOT be removed from them because it is a non-ascension bonus.

Fair point indeed - I'll shut up

[Dark Phoenix]

i think you should have the choice weather or not to change your race name. hell, system lords are in essence gou'uld, so why dont they just give em an option? also wtih the bonuses, i think you should have the choice when you ascend "take ascended bonus" or "keep existing one" and each time you ascend you get that choice. however if you ascend 4 times, then ascend a fith and chose to take the ascended one, you would have to only get the 5%, this would be to stop people being gou'uld, asceding 4 times, with their bank bonus and Income bonus then ascending the fith, using those bonuses and taking 25% all round bonuses. would take a bit of programming tho

[Spoon]

i think you should have the choice weather or not to change your race name. hell, system lords are in essence gou'uld, so why dont they just give em an option? also wtih the bonuses, i think you should have the choice when you ascend "take ascended bonus" or "keep existing one" and each time you ascend you get that choice. however if you ascend 4 times, then ascend a fith and chose to take the ascended one, you would have to only get the 5%, this would be to stop people being gou'uld, asceding 4 times, with their bank bonus and Income bonus then ascending the fith, using those bonuses and taking 25% all round bonuses. would take a bit of programming tho

You can already do that to a degree by just changing back from a system lord to a goauld by the race change option.

[12agnar0k]

i dont liek the idea, the diea is that ascension gives you bonuses on the normal plane of existence , as you are given bonuses by your ascended self, there is no reason for peopel who choose not to ascend to get bonuses because they cant get then from anywhere, no higher powers giving it ot them ,

if you want the bonuses you have to ascend ,

if you dotn want to play in the ascension server, dont play in the ascension server, put it on vacation.

all you poepel wanting these bonuses with otu ascending are just lazy, too lazy to rebuild your accs from scratch

[Wolf359]

i think you should have the choice weather or not to change your race name. hell, system lords are in essence gou'uld, so why dont they just give em an option? also wtih the bonuses, i think you should have the choice when you ascend "take ascended bonus" or "keep existing one" and each time you ascend you get that choice. however if you ascend 4 times, then ascend a fith and chose to take the ascended one, you would have to only get the 5%, this would be to stop people being gou'uld, asceding 4 times, with their bank bonus and Income bonus then ascending the fith, using those bonuses and taking 25% all round bonuses. would take a bit of programming tho

You can already do that to a degree by just changing back from a system lord to a goauld by the race change option.

If you change from one of the "ascended races" to one of the original races then you lose your bonus and adopt the old race bonus.

[Anubis]

I also have to disagree with this.
Like said in other posts G&R are ment for ascension and bonusses should only be gained by ascending coz you can loose your ascended bonus aswell (when that feat is added on ascended server) where an non ascended account wont be able to loose its bonusses.

[Bahamut]

i would like once more to repeat my self

my points wasn't donated i gathered them

i have arround 10k now

i don't wont to ascend!

i don't wont to handle another account?

am i a lonely wolf int his matter?

no i'm not

there is a lot of players that simply don't wont to ascend


as many of u told those point where primaly created for ascension, but then i would like to repeat my self there are many other improvments that originally had one purpose and ended up as something else

in last year there was a lot of ideas implemented

MOTHERSHIP - apophis idea
Technology - my idea

and lot of others

G&R points?

yes they where maybe primaly idea for ascension, but i don't think i'm lonely in this when i say i don't wont to ascend and handle ascension account, i mean where is the problem in customazing original account, Wolf u say it is to late there is a lot of ascended accounts.

well because of that we need this kind of account as myopininon is that ascension was to cheap especially other levels(3rd,4th.5th etc) of ascension to many living god for now

to many game mods new whole story, before ascension was implemented
to many ppl had advantage with info that was distributed before ascension was presented to comunity.

so this would only allowed us that aren't LIVING GODS to decide our way of playing, i'm also here from begining , i also supported this site with real cash, so there isn't so much differnce between me and u that ascended, my choice is not to ascend and i would only like there is option of little customization of main account and also this idea would bring more fun in game because u wouldn't be able to know what custom upgrades some account took, there is also technology called ascended blesing and with that account who have 5 ascensions get +25% to all plus ascended blesing gives them chance of doubling deffense.
so if someone has 20 000 000 000 def action, ascended blesing gives them a chance to have 40 000 000 000 def action.

so as i see full ascended accounts have to big advantage over not ascended accounts with over +100% on their account total + ascended blesing.

and that basicly means that not ascended accounts can't touch those ascended ones

a little recalculation of those benefits wouldn't be bad it would only bring more fun to game and it would motivate ppl to run for G&R points

[~Phoenix~]

The reason I am opposed to this is twofold: Firstly, because I believe (but am not sure) that if and when descension happens, then if a player is descended from the ascended server, they will lose their bonuses in the main server (please correct me if I am wrong).

Better bloudy not.

[Bahamut]

I also have to disagree with this.
Like said in other posts G&R are ment for ascension and bonusses should only be gained by ascending coz you can loose your ascended bonus aswell (when that feat is added on ascended server) where an non ascended account wont be able to loose its bonusses.

yes but that why not ascended account would gain only one perk per time

only one skill upgraded at time not all

and well first perk could unlock one tech (what ever player choose) and he would need to buy that upgrade (for let's say 50 bil)

each other is to be increased by 15 or 25 bil so it couldn't be done in 2 weeks

but also that is why there should be ability for player to chose, either he will go with ascension or he will continue without ascension.

[Wolf359]

so as i see full ascended accounts have to big advantage over not ascended accounts with over +100% on their account total + ascended blesing.

Isn't that part of the point?? You achieve ascension, therfore your follower in the real world (main) becomes a prior/prophet etc and gains an advantage?

My understanding is that once you achieve Living God you have a 25% bonus to everything - any subsequent ascensions, someone told me you got +1% - so NOBODY has +100% on their account.

I believe I have stated that there is room for compromise - and have made a suggestion (which may not be perfect) - as someone already mentioned - if this had been introduced at the same time as ascension - there would probably be no problem - I would have used it myself! But, it is too far down the line now - besides, as previously mentioned - what is stopping already ascended players taking advantage of these new bonuses you propose and becoming even more powerful.

Ultimately - with your idea:

1 - How many of thee non-ascension bonuses will a player by limited to?

2 - How will they compare to Ascended bonuses? Same? Half?

3 - Will there be the possibility of losing these bonuses? (only afir)

4 - Will the account start from scratch (like ascended) once these bonuses have been achieved? (only fair).

5 - are the bonuses you talk about additional to the existing race bonus, or instead of? (additional would make them more powerful than priors.

But I still say that G&R should remain solely for ascension.

[Bahamut]

+25% on all (income,atack,defense,covert) that is +100% i had on mind

1 - How many of thee non-ascension bonuses will a player by limited to?

well (if when)

similar as for ascension

i gues if +25% on all is top limit for ascended accounts ' guess fair would be +5% on one tech by upgrade

so when u use first 1000 g&r points u would get chance to upgrade one (ONLY ONE: either income or attack) skill for 5%

2 - How will they compare to Ascended bonuses? Same? Half?

well ascended acounts have +25% on all total right?
and regular customized account would have posibilty of 5×5%

3 - Will there be the possibility of losing these bonuses? (only afir)

well no as it would unlock extra technology that player would choose and would need to pay for it to get it, and i'm talking about load of naq.

4 - Will the account start from scratch (like ascended) once these bonuses have been achieved? (only fair).

well no as it would only enable one extra technology upgrade per time

5 - are the bonuses you talk about additional to the existing race bonus, or instead of? (additional would make them more powerful than priors.

yes i as i said above those are aditional bonuses to ones allready existing it would enable customization of account

for example





so as u see above i have no possibiltiy of upgrading any tech!

with this idea, each amount of G&R points would alow one tech upgrade per level.

so i as goauld have +25% to income and with this idea i could have something like this

+35% to income
+10% to atack
+5% to covert

there should be also limit on base race enhancment

so goa'uld could get only +10% to income, asgards +10% on def, tauri +10% on atack and replis +10% on covert and all other non race start enhancments well they can upgrade them full if they decide

[Wolf359]

Thanks for that - I can see clearly what you mean now - whereas an ascended player may achieve 25% on all stats after 5 ascensions, a non-ascended user of G&R may achieve 5 increments of 5% increase any any one of the stats (via a tech upgrade).

In that case - this could be worth looking at further!

[Bahamut]

yes and i don't know if i mentioned that like first upgrade would cost let's say

50 or 60 bilion of naq and each other to go higher for 15 or 25 bil

so it wouldn't be so cheap, to do that it would aquire soem skills

also when if u choose customization of account ascension should be disabled

also race change after that point should be disabled

so ascended acounts would have total +100% via enhancments, and customized accounts would have total +50% via enhancments

[Quina Quen]

Big up the Dragon - He knows his stuff

[Bahamut]

Big up the Dragon - He knows his stuff

heh

i wasn't when i started this one lol

but back to topic does any1 has some idea about tech upgrade names?

i could use some help with that i still have my own battle with english