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Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 7:47 pm
by Saber
I am guessing that de ascention will not be based on a 1 shot attack chance but more of a massing type of thing.

Oh and by people quiting I didn't mean they will threaten I mean if all your work over the past year is gone in a sec(or day). They will just flat out quit and not come back I know I would.

My guess is forum is has been holding off on this for a while due to the fact he isn't sure himself on what to do with someone deascended. Plus he needs to make sure for sertain their are no bugs or glitches.

Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:05 am
by MGZ
Favre wrote:I am guessing that de ascention will not be based on a 1 shot attack chance but more of a massing type of thing.


Hasn't that been the general agreement of how it should be for a while now?

Favre wrote:They will just flat out quit and not come back I know I would.


Crybabies

ZS Agent281 ~Prophet~ wrote:How about this then-

Don't ascend!!

There were risks and there has always been talk of descention to the best of my knowledge. Everyone should know that there are risks to this game. Besides every update some one threatens to quit.

If you are afraid to lose everything too bad. Put it on perma vacation, but I want some form of excitement on ascension. Right now there is nothing to do on that server.


Hallelujah, someone talking sense

Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:44 am
by pijanc
I like the idea that descention should also weaken the attacker so he/she could descend only one person at a day.

Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:41 am
by MGZ
well if descension requires a massing effort (as most people agree it should), then the turn requirement would somewhat limit someone to one descension for a good while

however, there is always the possibility of a coordinated effort at descending someone (a large group of friends masses the target down, leaving the kill open for the last person) which gives your idea merit.

Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:10 pm
by Saber
Just so everyone knows I am in no way against it I just don't think that your account should be completely wiped out IE your main. If you take it form the series their are different stages on the ascention path and when you are deascended you are able to regain the knowledge you once had. If you deascend someone perhapes they go down to some were between prior and messia since when they have been deascended you can't be a god. Priors are not ascended beings they are just advanced humans.

Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:24 pm
by Hensenshi
The entire point of descension is to damage their main account. Quit **Filtered** around. That is the point of descension. If you can't damage them seriously in main, why even bother? If you're so afraid of being descended, then work your ascended account up, or don't ascend. If you're ascended and you've got a weak ascended account then that's your fault for not building it up.

Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:00 pm
by Saber
In my opinion taking away 25% of your bonus is a big damage that is almost as if you damage 20% of their stats and naq production.

And as I said before I have nothing against it and am not saying it shouldn't be put in.

Also when daneil jackson was deascended he returned to his original form with nothing wrong but a lose of memory which he got back. So if you lost ascention statues fully then that is damaging your 24% of their account plus everything the used the first time. If this is what happenes they should lose all ascended weapons which get turned into their race of their choosing.

I just don't feel they should lose their army they have been building for however long let it be a year or a month.

Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:29 pm
by Hensenshi
Favre wrote:In my opinion taking away 25% of your bonus is a big damage that is almost as if you damage 20% of their stats and naq production.

And as I said before I have nothing against it and am not saying it shouldn't be put in.

Also when daneil jackson was deascended he returned to his original form with nothing wrong but a lose of memory which he got back. So if you lost ascention statues fully then that is damaging your 24% of their account plus everything the used the first time. If this is what happenes they should lose all ascended weapons which get turned into their race of their choosing.

I just don't feel they should lose their army they have been building for however long let it be a year or a month.


I said they keep their untrainable UU and lifers, but lose everything else.

Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:23 pm
by Saber
Oh I thought you ment just lifers so who knows. So lets just leave it up to forum and see what happens.

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:19 am
by Grand Admiral Martin
Hensenshi wrote:The entire point of descension is to damage their main account. Quit **Filtered** around. That is the point of descension. If you can't damage them seriously in main, why even bother? If you're so afraid of being descended, then work your ascended account up, or don't ascend. If you're ascended and you've got a weak ascended account then that's your fault for not building it up.


isnt the point of decension to destroy their ascened accoumt?

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:48 am
by MGZ
your ascended and main accounts are linked. the main "shell* is still the same being as the ascended version, just reset so the strength is brought up. so just as main can boost your ascended account, ascension can bring down your main account

it's not enough to simply destroy an ascended account some people don't even care about theirs. therefore destroying an ascension account should take away to bonuses to main to encourage EVERYONE who ascends to actually play that server.

to sum up, I'll say what others have said before me.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO LOSE YOUR MAIN BONUSES, PLAY ASCENSION.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO RISK LOSING STUFF ON MAIN BECAUSE OF ASCENSION, DON'T ASCEND!

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 1:37 pm
by Hensenshi
Emperor Martin wrote:
Hensenshi wrote:The entire point of descension is to damage their main account. Quit **Filtered** around. That is the point of descension. If you can't damage them seriously in main, why even bother? If you're so afraid of being descended, then work your ascended account up, or don't ascend. If you're ascended and you've got a weak ascended account then that's your fault for not building it up.


isnt the point of decension to destroy their ascened accoumt?


I can destroy your ascended account right here, right now(not threatening to, just explaining this here), Omega showed exactly how to do so to Extremer's account. He went from #3 in influence to having under 50k planets. Descension isn't needed to destroy an ascended account. The point of descension is to destroy the main account that is linked to the ascended account.

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:32 am
by *~Starry~*
MGZ wrote:to sum up, I'll say what others have said before me.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO LOSE YOUR MAIN BONUSES, PLAY ASCENSION.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO RISK LOSING STUFF ON MAIN BECAUSE OF ASCENSION, DON'T ASCEND!



if we already see this forum... I think it's too late to tell us..."DON'T ASCEND!"

i personally don't care... I have spent over 1000 turns on this one guy... but by no means is he descending any time soon... after massing him for another 10 months, maybe.

But It's not all that easy. (I have tried... again... and again... and again to descend somebody [hint: The same guy]... and still haven't succeeded)

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:52 am
by Grand Admiral Martin
MGZ wrote:to sum up, I'll say what others have said before me.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO LOSE YOUR MAIN BONUSES, PLAY ASCENSION.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO RISK LOSING STUFF ON MAIN BECAUSE OF ASCENSION, DON'T ASCEND!


thats easily saidbut there are 1500 players on the ascended server and te majority dont play

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:38 pm
by Saber
But It's not all that easy. (I have tried... again... and again... and again to descend somebody [hint: The same guy]... and still haven't succeeded)


That is because deascention hasn't come out yet.