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Forum wrote:ok - everyone who gained from this, had the goods removed.
if they 'spent' naq, bank used.
if they trained untrained, lifers used.
turns were ok.


fyi - 62 people affected....and fixed. (select sum(xyz) where ... got all of the trades -not just one per person...)

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I don't see anything fixed, everything is still here.
Also, a lot of other people have gained from this. I highly doubt any of them will forward though, who wouldnt want additional units,naq n turns.

I think stats should be reset to the time right before the ''fixes'' were added or whatever other sulition you see as better

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Okay, I've lost my stuff, but I have 1 question. Is there a perticular reason for me to lose another 1 million UU I didnt gain from the bug? I lost everything I gained yesterday, but I've noticed 1 million UU or more additionally gone from my account. If thats my punishment for clicking the button that is fine, but at least I want an explanation.
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i can only say i used the database to find all trades 'reclaimed' with a starting time impossible to have done so....ie - they took back stuff after the 48hours a trade lasts....that is how it was filtered.

the total of the 'returned' goods is below - some can certainly claim testing, but if you wish to see who tried to benefit (opposed to test) your guess is as good as mine ... all of these were reversed, though....


ID 4749 'reclaimed' via exploit 17700000001 Naq
ID 4749 'reclaimed' via exploit 10100 Units
ID 10526 'reclaimed' via exploit 88550000006 Naq
ID 10526 'reclaimed' via exploit 420000 Units
ID 10526 'reclaimed' via exploit 1002 Turns
ID 12450 'reclaimed' via exploit 121929013349 Naq
ID 12450 'reclaimed' via exploit 2126232 Units
ID 12450 'reclaimed' via exploit 18671 Turns
ID 13668 'reclaimed' via exploit 1 Naq
ID 13668 'reclaimed' via exploit 664000 Units
ID 13668 'reclaimed' via exploit 12918 Turns
ID 18948 'reclaimed' via exploit 134744100000 Naq
ID 18948 'reclaimed' via exploit 897000 Units
ID 18948 'reclaimed' via exploit 1 Turns
ID 21888 'reclaimed' via exploit 5000000000 Naq
ID 21888 'reclaimed' via exploit 910000 Units
ID 21888 'reclaimed' via exploit 25000 Turns
ID 25624 'reclaimed' via exploit 1091000 Units
ID 27015 'reclaimed' via exploit 150001 Units
ID 27845 'reclaimed' via exploit 20300000001 Naq
ID 27845 'reclaimed' via exploit 6401 Units
ID 27845 'reclaimed' via exploit 8000 Turns
ID 31632 'reclaimed' via exploit 519009433000 Naq
ID 31632 'reclaimed' via exploit 4986724 Units
ID 31632 'reclaimed' via exploit 18769 Turns
ID 38010 'reclaimed' via exploit 2000000001 Naq
ID 43370 'reclaimed' via exploit 276370841478 Naq
ID 43370 'reclaimed' via exploit 30543364 Units
ID 43370 'reclaimed' via exploit 19640 Turns
ID 46701 'reclaimed' via exploit 5 Naq
ID 46701 'reclaimed' via exploit 777004 Units
ID 46701 'reclaimed' via exploit 6975 Turns
ID 48299 'reclaimed' via exploit 12000000 Units
ID 48299 'reclaimed' via exploit 95000 Turns
ID 52844 'reclaimed' via exploit 1 Naq
ID 52844 'reclaimed' via exploit 58000 Units
ID 52844 'reclaimed' via exploit 152 Turns
ID 57981 'reclaimed' via exploit 30410000003 Naq
ID 57981 'reclaimed' via exploit 41000 Units
ID 58854 'reclaimed' via exploit 508122390774 Naq
ID 58854 'reclaimed' via exploit 3836116 Units
ID 58854 'reclaimed' via exploit 9548 Turns
ID 65411 'reclaimed' via exploit 70000 Units
ID 67883 'reclaimed' via exploit 512608090555 Naq
ID 67883 'reclaimed' via exploit 4011480 Units
ID 67883 'reclaimed' via exploit 9989 Turns
ID 68276 'reclaimed' via exploit 117000000000 Naq
ID 68276 'reclaimed' via exploit 1863401 Units
ID 68276 'reclaimed' via exploit 42000 Turns
ID 68603 'reclaimed' via exploit 1255802877268 Naq
ID 68603 'reclaimed' via exploit 13225770 Units
ID 68603 'reclaimed' via exploit 2621 Turns
ID 68636 'reclaimed' via exploit 124900000005 Naq
ID 68636 'reclaimed' via exploit 3131540 Units
ID 70230 'reclaimed' via exploit 322300000001 Naq
ID 70230 'reclaimed' via exploit 393786 Units
ID 70230 'reclaimed' via exploit 3000 Turns
ID 70315 'reclaimed' via exploit 504229535497 Naq
ID 70315 'reclaimed' via exploit 4713939 Units
ID 70315 'reclaimed' via exploit 5599 Turns
ID 82229 'reclaimed' via exploit 980000003 Naq
ID 86119 'reclaimed' via exploit 1 Naq
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ID 48299 'reclaimed' via exploit 12000000 Units
ID 48299 'reclaimed' via exploit 95000 Turns

Yup, that is me. After noticing I've gained that, I've trained all units into attack soldiers (I have no attack weapons), so nobody could raid me and I wouldnt benefit on additional income, I've emailed you the second after and I'm happy that I've had everything removed. This was all yesterday it was all fine and I'm happy with it. The only thing that gets me confused is that after all the reclaiming I've had approx. *1.3 million army size just like before the server movement, and after today I logined, I've had *0.5 million, considering my UP is around 250k, and I didnt check until I came home, I've lost around 1 million miners. I have not untrained those, they're not in broker, also if I remember correct, I've had over 12 million miners, but I'm below 12 million now, so it must've been done by administration. With all due respect, if this is the punishment for clicking a button administration put there to click, I am fine with it. Even though I didnt even try to benefit from it, I've did everything I can to prevent making even bigger mess. Just letme know why my troops are gone as they cannot be gone without a reason.

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I think you are missing what badnews is sayn... he also "reclaimed" the brokers and he still has the stuf that he gained by doing so.. If that is the case.. not all of the "abuses" were put back to normal.. or maybe not all were detected and seing how some got 30mil uu in this..
a roll back for the server would be wise..
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seems to be quite a few from Omegs...

hmm...
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honestly, this is all i took... if you did not have the untrained, took lifers instead. did not touch miners at all (or attack solds....)
it might be a mystery, memory, war, another 'playing' with your account, or maybe something to do with crop circles, but was not me :)

Legoless wrote:ID 48299 'reclaimed' via exploit 12000000 Units
ID 48299 'reclaimed' via exploit 95000 Turns .......Just letme know why my troops are gone as they cannot be gone without a reason.

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Okay, I believe you that you didnt take. If there was another on account, I dont know, you can check logins, my IP is always the same. If it was other check what did he do, but even so I dont know how he could have got my password. Maybe it was because the UU were trained into attack, so I wouldnt get income, but I was online after the reclamation happened. I had them removed from untrainedSold (which put me way below 0 UU), which seemed like a right thing, so I reassigned all attack troops I trained and everything was back as it should be. I had correct army and went to bed. Then I login today and apparently there is one million missing from lifer count. :? Also, lifers are usually never gone from account, so this is more a mystery if you cant explain it.

P.S. In any case you have a backup of last time before movement, you can check there and you'll see my army was what I say it was.
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I know a lot of you will look up the IDs anyway... so I thought I might save you the time ;)

ID 4749 'reclaimed' via exploit 17700000001 Naq - Minion Lord Fox [ Ω Allegiance ]

ID 4749 'reclaimed' via exploit 10100 Units - Minion Lord Fox [ Ω Allegiance ]

ID 10526 'reclaimed' via exploit 88550000006 Naq - God Midnight Masochist [ The Magnificents ]

ID 10526 'reclaimed' via exploit 420000 Units - God Midnight Masochist [ The Magnificents ]

ID 10526 'reclaimed' via exploit 1002 Turns - God Midnight Masochist [ The Magnificents ]

ID 12450 'reclaimed' via exploit 121929013349 Naq - Eros [ Alpha Allegiance ]

ID 12450 'reclaimed' via exploit 2126232 Units - Eros [ Alpha Allegiance ]

ID 12450 'reclaimed' via exploit 18671 Turns - Eros [ Alpha Allegiance ]

ID 13668 'reclaimed' via exploit 1 Naq - Nano Prime Memento [ The Order ]

ID 13668 'reclaimed' via exploit 664000 Units - Nano Prime Memento [ The Order ]

ID 13668 'reclaimed' via exploit 12918 Turns - Nano Prime Memento [ The Order ]

ID 18948 'reclaimed' via exploit 134744100000 Naq - dark ifrit [ FAHQ ]

ID 18948 'reclaimed' via exploit 897000 Units - dark ifrit [ FAHQ ]

ID 18948 'reclaimed' via exploit 1 Turns - dark ifrit [ FAHQ ]

ID 21888 'reclaimed' via exploit 5000000000 Naq - Fleet Commander disturbed_one [ Ω
Allegiance ]


ID 21888 'reclaimed' via exploit 910000 Units - Fleet Commander disturbed_one [ Ω Allegiance ]

ID 21888 'reclaimed' via exploit 25000 Turns - Fleet Commander disturbed_one [ Ω Allegiance ]

ID 25624 'reclaimed' via exploit 1091000 Units - xr88 [ The Hive ]

ID 27015 'reclaimed' via exploit 150001 Units - Sinath [ Dirty Dozen ]

ID 27845 'reclaimed' via exploit 20300000001 Naq - Dark Bahamut [ Alpha Allegiance ]

ID 27845 'reclaimed' via exploit 6401 Units - Dark Bahamut [ Alpha Allegiance ]

ID 27845 'reclaimed' via exploit 8000 Turns - Dark Bahamut [ Alpha Allegiance ]

ID 31632 'reclaimed' via exploit 519009433000 Naq - Zeta [ THE DARK DOMINIUM ]

ID 31632 'reclaimed' via exploit 4986724 Units - Zeta [ THE DARK DOMINIUM ]

ID 31632 'reclaimed' via exploit 18769 Turns - Zeta [ THE DARK DOMINIUM ]

ID 38010 'reclaimed' via exploit 2000000001 Naq - Agewen [ Alpha Allegiance ]

ID 43370 'reclaimed' via exploit 276370841478 Naq - Su [ Alpha Allegiance ]

ID 43370 'reclaimed' via exploit 30543364 Units - Su [ Alpha Allegiance ]

ID 43370 'reclaimed' via exploit 19640 Turns - Su [ Alpha Allegiance ]

ID 46701 'reclaimed' via exploit 5 Naq - Threat [ Bad Wolf Project ]

ID 46701 'reclaimed' via exploit 777004 Units - Threat [ Bad Wolf Project ]

ID 46701 'reclaimed' via exploit 6975 Turns - Threat [ Bad Wolf Project ]

ID 48299 'reclaimed' via exploit 12000000 Units - Legoless [ Ω Allegiance ]

ID 48299 'reclaimed' via exploit 95000 Turns - Legoless [ Ω Allegiance ]

ID 52844 'reclaimed' via exploit 1 Naq - Prodigy Legate Dosral [ ►First Realm ]

ID 52844 'reclaimed' via exploit 58000 Units - Prodigy Legate Dosral [ ►First Realm ]

ID 52844 'reclaimed' via exploit 152 Turns - Prodigy Legate Dosral [ ►First Realm ]

ID 57981 'reclaimed' via exploit 30410000003 Naq - Sinister

ID 57981 'reclaimed' via exploit 41000 Units - Sinister

ID 58854 'reclaimed' via exploit 508122390774 Naq - Magius [ Alpha Allegiance ]

ID 58854 'reclaimed' via exploit 3836116 Units - Magius [ Alpha Allegiance ]

ID 58854 'reclaimed' via exploit 9548 Turns - Magius [ Alpha Allegiance ]

ID 65411 'reclaimed' via exploit 70000 Units - Supreme Commander AeroMonk [ Dragons Legacy ]

ID 67883 'reclaimed' via exploit 512608090555 Naq - timistar

ID 67883 'reclaimed' via exploit 4011480 Units - timistar

ID 67883 'reclaimed' via exploit 9989 Turns - timistar

ID 68276 'reclaimed' via exploit 117000000000 Naq - badnews

ID 68276 'reclaimed' via exploit 1863401 Units - badnews

ID 68276 'reclaimed' via exploit 42000 Turns - badnews

ID 68603 'reclaimed' via exploit 1255802877268 Naq - EvilDick [ TCW ]

ID 68603 'reclaimed' via exploit 13225770 Units - EvilDick [ TCW ]

ID 68603 'reclaimed' via exploit 2621 Turns - EvilDick [ TCW ]

ID 68636 'reclaimed' via exploit 124900000005 Naq - vodkaman [ TO Division 1 ]

ID 68636 'reclaimed' via exploit 3131540 Units - vodkaman [ TO Division 1 ]

ID 70230 'reclaimed' via exploit 322300000001 Naq - bsm [ La Cosa Nostra ]

ID 70230 'reclaimed' via exploit 393786 Units - bsm [ La Cosa Nostra ]

ID 70230 'reclaimed' via exploit 3000 Turns - bsm [ La Cosa Nostra ]

ID 70315 'reclaimed' via exploit 504229535497 Naq - Egnver

ID 70315 'reclaimed' via exploit 4713939 Units - Egnver

ID 70315 'reclaimed' via exploit 5599 Turns - Egnver

ID 82229 'reclaimed' via exploit 980000003 Naq - General big dads [ SPECIAL FORCES ]
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ah - that is it then.
when you went to negative due to me subtracting the 'reacquired units', i noted the negative amount. turn changed, and it reset your negative to zero. (a feature ;) )
but - i then added the negative to lifers (ie subtracted) so it made it 'right' ... because you got 'free' units when they went negative and the game simply bumped them up to zero....
it is all correct -the only issue is when you checked your stats, the correction was only 1/2 complete...

Legoless wrote:Okay, I believe you that you didnt take. If there was another on account, I dont know, you can check logins, my IP is always the same. If it was other check what did he do, but even so I dont know how he could have got my password. Maybe it was because the UU were trained into attack, so I wouldnt get income, but I was online after the reclamation happened. I had them removed from untrainedSold (which put me way below 0 UU), which seemed like a right thing, so I reassigned all attack troops I trained and everything was back as it should be. I had correct army and went to bed. Then I login today and apparently there is one million missing from lifer count. :? Also, lifers are usually never gone from account, so this is more a mystery if you cant explain it.

P.S. In any case you have a backup of last time before movement, you can check there and you'll see my army was what I say it was.
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ok - i went through the reclaims line by line, looking for those i may have missed due to how i filtered... found a couple with big naq, now fixed too, but there were no 'millions of units gained' (per above reports) that were not fixed....
in short - no reset, issue is dealt with.
if you think you know someone who benefited and has not been corrected, either they are false bragging about 'beating the game' (ie cheating) or are just pulling your leg and trying to make you feel bad.
if you beleive this is not the case, post their ID here, and what you think they gained, and i will triple check it...
i have all the logs :)
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I am really sorry to bug you for all of this. We all look like children always reporting to you etc...as also I did with this BUG.
The thing is the consequences this bug has created werent entirely fixed mr. admin (Jason I believe it...and my pardons as I dont know how to call you...blame my ignorance :/ )
The bug wasnt fixed and this is 99%
- Firstly some ppl I know as via game as via RL have tried it....and still have their resources...one of them is badnews and I encuraged him to even said it on the forums although it was a hard job for him putting himself on the line like that...but he is being what we would all like a typical SGW player to be...an honest person.So his and also some other ppls that I know things werent removed. :/ I am 100% positive
- Secondly some of the players I dont personally know have gained exactly the amount of UUs etc they "abused" and this werent small amounts but huge like for example 30 mils. (20-50 mils jump is hardly possible but it is :D but that in the same day he has "abused the broker with the exactly the same amount of UUs is highly unlikely...on top of that if you have taken from him 30 mils of UU that would mean he had 80 mils of UU....and that would be even more strange....

I am again really sorry for even bothering you with this...And to have to go "tell on sgw community etc" like this.
My opinon is: I dont blame the players...it is only human that some try to "cheat" or to "see what happens if" :D (although they are using the best brokers for it hehe). So I dont blame them...

But what bothers me are two things:

A) PPL gained stuff and I know about it :), me knowing someone gained what I worked hard for months to get...is really demoralising...as for others in sgw community I believe...and I believe ppl have doubts if it allways be like this...some taking advantage...and the ones honest..or just to say not curious :) to be "punished" as if you have 50 mils of UU and someone has 20 and he gains that via not legal way...in a single day...it makes you wonder why the bother.

B) I think it is for admins to sort this kind of things...not only fairly...but also in a way ppl will trust him 100%. Thats why I suggest a reset to the way it was before the updates...I know it is a pain...even for me it is...as I also raided etc...but I rether live with it...then to see things as they are and to see ppl losing faith...as even I admit I have lost it some..although I still believe you are the man and will fix this as it should be ;)

P.S. Again sorry for the long post and sorry for the bother, and sorry for all those that I have "inderectly mentioned in this thread I dont blame you for abusing things...(it is even possible I am wrong and if soo REALLY sorry) ;) AND WOULD LIKE TO REMIND YOU ALL IF THIS DOESNT GET FIXED SOON A ROLL BACK TILL THE TIME BEFORE THE UPDATE WILL BE EVEN HARDER TO ACCEPT

Best Regards: SVARUN
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Forum wrote:ah - that is it then.
when you went to negative due to me subtracting the 'reacquired units', i noted the negative amount. turn changed, and it reset your negative to zero. (a feature ;) )
but - i then added the negative to lifers (ie subtracted) so it made it 'right' ... because you got 'free' units when they went negative and the game simply bumped them up to zero....
it is all correct -the only issue is when you checked your stats, the correction was only 1/2 complete...


Okay, but you're missing something here. Once I saw the negative amount (after I did the stupid thing, I kept refreshing base page until it gets sorted), I reassigned all the trained soldiers to make it positive again. I have no attack soldiers anymore and I had about 100k UU out like before I went to bed. Apparently the next turn my lifer count was reduced, which I still dont know why, because uu count wasnt negative. Check actions, you will see me reassigning attack soldiers. Otherwise, what happened with 1 million of my UU then? Shouldnt my lifer count be lower for 12 million, not 1? I'd much rather have my account rolled back to before the server change.
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yeah what he said.. if you roll back now we lose only a day maybe 2 if you do that in like 4 days we loose a whole week.. so in this case the sooner the better.... Also if your "program" or script didnt fix all the things back how can you be sure it found all the "abuses"?
why not be certain about it.. i remember seeing the things(like a guy with 1k army and 40bil stirke on MS) form the last major bug(the UP one) like a month after it was officialy "fixed"
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