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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:25 am
by Nigatsu_Aka
Lajh wrote:Come_Forth wrote:Ok so if : = divide then the problem would look like this 0 - 0 x 2 x 0 x (0 x 0.5) - 0^5 / 0 so it would be 0/0 which is not negative zero.
0-0=0
0x2=0
0x.5=0
0^5=0
Zero minus zero is zero not negative zero, and zero divided by zero is not -0. I do not see how the answer could be -0.
ok how much is -0?
its like calculating infinity. infinity + infinity = 2 infinities
0:0 cannot be calculated.
and infinity is infinity, it cannot be estimated either.
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:25 am
by Come_Forth
H E L L S I N G wrote:guys, negative zero doesn´t exist, just like positive zero, zero is zero .. basta!
Now that I googled negative zero this came up on wikipedia, I do not trust wikipedia too much, but this is one example it had ( -0) - ( + 0) = - 0
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:27 am
by Lajh
H E L L S I N G wrote:guys, negative zero doesn´t exist, just like positive zero, zero is zero .. basta!
yup, i started this discussion because i was learning maths and have never seen such BS like today (and the last few years) by maths. we are talking about minus infinity in school, WTH, give me minus infinity apples
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:29 am
by Come_Forth
Wikipedia wrote:-0 is the representation of negative zero or minus zero, a number that exists in computing, in some signed number representations for integers, and in most floating point number representations. In mathematical terms there is no concept of a negative (or positive) zero, and -0 is identical to, and represented as, 0. In science, -0 may be used to denote a quantity which is less than zero, but which is too small in magnitude to be rounded down to -1. In statistical mechanics, certain systems in a state of population inversion may be considered to have an absolute temperature of -0.
So if I understand this right 0=-0?
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:31 am
by Tivadar
Lajh wrote:H E L L S I N G wrote:guys, negative zero doesn´t exist, just like positive zero, zero is zero .. basta!
yup, i started this discussion because i was learning maths and have never seen such BS like today (and the last few years) by maths. we are talking about minus infinity in school, WTH, give me minus infinity apples
lol ... well minus infinity is more likely then minus zero .. zero is like the border between minus and plus ... so it is just NOTHING ... it cannot be negative nor positive, as far as i know ...
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:31 am
by Nigatsu_Aka
Ok, if you think that infinity or minus infinity is hard to comprehend, try explaining why between 2 integer numbers are an infinity of small decimal numbers.
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:32 am
by Tivadar
Come_Forth wrote:Wikipedia wrote:-0 is the representation of negative zero or minus zero, a number that exists in computing, in some signed number representations for integers, and in most floating point number representations. In mathematical terms there is no concept of a negative (or positive) zero, and -0 is identical to, and represented as, 0. In science, -0 may be used to denote a quantity which is less than zero, but which is too small in magnitude to be rounded down to -1. In statistical mechanics, certain systems in a state of population inversion may be considered to have an absolute temperature of -0.
So if I understand this right 0=-0?
LOL .. no, just as i said, mathmatically there is NO NEGATIVE ZERO, if so .. it is just ZERO!
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:33 am
by Lajh
Come_Forth wrote:Wikipedia wrote:-0 is the representation of negative zero or minus zero, a number that exists in computing, in some signed number representations for integers, and in most floating point number representations. In mathematical terms there is no concept of a negative (or positive) zero, and -0 is identical to, and represented as, 0. In science, -0 may be used to denote a quantity which is less than zero, but which is too small in magnitude to be rounded down to -1. In statistical mechanics, certain systems in a state of population inversion may be considered to have an absolute temperature of -0.
So if I understand this right 0=-0?
so i was right afterall, -0 = 0
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:34 am
by Tivadar
Nigatsu_Aka wrote:Ok, if you think that infinity or minus infinity is hard to comprehend, try explaining why between 2 integer numbers are an infinity of small decimal numbers.
gah ... i hate maths ... i suck in it.. is wrote test just friday, so please stop, lol, my brain hurrts
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:35 am
by Come_Forth
Lajh wrote:Come_Forth wrote:Wikipedia wrote:-0 is the representation of negative zero or minus zero, a number that exists in computing, in some signed number representations for integers, and in most floating point number representations. In mathematical terms there is no concept of a negative (or positive) zero, and -0 is identical to, and represented as, 0. In science, -0 may be used to denote a quantity which is less than zero, but which is too small in magnitude to be rounded down to -1. In statistical mechanics, certain systems in a state of population inversion may be considered to have an absolute temperature of -0.
So if I understand this right 0=-0?
so i was right afterall, -0 = 0
I guess so
Most of this thread should be made into a different thread since this is not about sgw anymore lol
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:40 am
by Nigatsu_Aka
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0_(number)#Etymology
A very interesting history of 0.
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:40 am
by Envy
lol ,
Now u ask this qeustion and I watched that war declared thingy on main it came up this.
6 players total | page 1 of 1
I don't know why but the most of the war was from the prevouse owner of the account GoD .
althougt I also gonna show on who I declared war on .
1 players total | page 1 of 1
maybe thats the reason why they don't declare war on me
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:53 am
by Lord Apollo
-0 * i =
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:20 pm
by V|per
Lol, let it go, you guys just weren't born as mathematicians.
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:21 pm
by Come_Forth
V1per wrote:Lol, let it go, you guys just weren't born as mathematicians.
Lol I am more of a philosophy guy, I can only do practical math.