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The Xeno wrote:We're pretty screwed after all, if our president is Satan on earth - and Saddam Huissien is a martyr defending the oil against greedy America.
Therefore, I reject that world view on the grounds that, even if it is the truth - I am no worse off by denying it.*

This is exactly why I refuse to take you or your opinions seriously. When it comes to addressing 9/11 or even the word conspiracy this is the conclussion you always seem to jump to. Indeed I agree we do have completely different percieved outlooks on these events and whats behind them. But the difference in approaching, discussing and debating them is even more disturbingly different. While I address people who pass judgement on a person labeling him of her as a conspiracy theorist, you would rather blow it up into an entire conspiracy debate. That outside of your personal beliefs and understanding of something, there is no truth and no room for questioning, almost as if you were living in a box of recycled answers which you and only you could possibly ascribe to in todays world and reality. Again I have to admit, this is why I am so unable to accept your method for arguement. Not just because it's overwhelmingly hard to see where your going with it all and where you'll end up next. But rather because you draw on a myriad of examples which technically have nothing to do with the topic at hand outside of the relevance of the word 'conspiracy' and what your taking from it.

There is no reason to be bias in todays world dispite whatever you've learned to believe, I would rather you stop trying to mask your vendetta against conspirators in such a diminishingly effective fashion. Don't talk about how and why you will never believe in something you can't understand or want to think about. Because thats like starting an arguement and demanding that no one agrees with you because you don't even acknowledge their arguements just because you can't and refuse to try and understand where they are coming from, the evidence to support their claims and their conclusions based on them. All because you observe it as being completely beside the 'real world truth' and not another perspective of it.

I think you refered to it being like mathematics, in the sense that you're asked to believe an answer to a problem which you know is wrong. Well I garantee you, there is no possible way for any person, expert, resercher or conspirator who simply observed what happend that day or the crappy investigative work done after wards. To say that they know beyond a shadow of a doubt what happened, how it happened and why it happened. I would put forth it's more simply a matter of algebra.

9/11
1 + X(Y) = 4
They said X = 1 and Y = 2

If X(being the muslims with connections to bin laden on both hijacked planes) and Y(being the actual reason for the wtc collapse) were the answers the world was asked to believe after 9/11. And in the truth of mathematics where numbers never lie, where I'm telling you that you can still get the end result of 4 (which will be the collapse of the buildings lets say). But you refuse to believe that X actually equals 0 (there were no muslims involved with any connection to bin laden) and Y actually equals 4 (the buildings never could have collapsed completely from fire from two air liners crashing into them even though they were designed to withstand just that...). Doesn't that make you unwilling to think out of 'your' box? I think so..

As I said, just draw your own conclussions, but for god's sake, don't just ignore the information or shun it all together just because someone else is saying "CONSPIRACY!". That is childish and an unrealistic way of actually trying to understand something and find the truth. Even IF that means you don't know everything and have to admit some things you rather not. Thats what I would like to think we're all capable of, wouldn't you?

This isn't all directed at Xeno guys...

Wait...could it be possible the video disturbed folks? Say maybe people who lost loved ones in the attack? No no, not like that's possible. It MUST be a conspiracy right??

For gods sake, find something believable to conspire about. Like who shot JFK? Was it the grassy knoll? But my god, give 9/11 a break. Or wait...were those bombings in England and Spain part of the conspiracy too?

No one was talking about the video, since anyone up until now hasn't seen it. But thanks for pretending to care and pay attention anyways Ra....

Åpophis ™ wrote:The 9/11 we know who did it, but who ordered them to do it/funded them, is the thing I wonder of...

LoL you belive i'm one of those who believe in ALL conspiracies ?
No I'm not, I just can put on for example the laden plane, the impact on pentagon, the strange leaving of CIA boss after his remindings again&again there was PROVES of WMD in Irak while the pics were like 12 years old and was proved not any was there...
What I believe in 100% is iraq conspiracy, for 9/11 one, I'm skeptical, coz of especially the laden plane

now sorry i got to sleep damint

that alone tells me you know nothing of the American gov. the CIA was hampered during the Clinton administration and during George W. Bush it was completely rendered useless. More than 30% of the section chiefs resigned their posts in protest of the cut-backs they were forced to accept.
The Laden family and Bush family have had ties to each other for years lest you forget that Osama was disinherited by his family so nothing suspicious there.
The hole in the Pentagon was not big enough for a plane to have crashed into it huh? I didnt realize that a MILITARY FALLOUT SHELTER, which is what the Pentagon was originally designed for to survive a nuclear war, could not take a plave hitting one section of it and I would say that this hole is more than big enough for a plane

Åpophis ™ wrote:UH OH didn't you posted a thing about a guy saying another similar video was fake because gov didnt kill the author? Ooooooh strange the video has been REMOVED from youtube, strange for a fake thing that noones give crap bout it eh??

My mistake...

Sun God Ra wrote:Wait...could it be possible the video disturbed folks? Say maybe people who lost loved ones in the attack? No no, not like that's possible. It MUST be a conspiracy right??

For gods sake, find something believable to conspire about. Like who shot JFK? Was it the grassy knoll? But my god, give 9/11 a break. Or wait...were those bombings in England and Spain part of the conspiracy too?

PSHAW! EDITED FTW.

thanks for the edit Appy

Angnoch wrote:Appy I know that your a joking around but dude saying something like that is totally ignorant of the people that suffered during 9/11

this whole thread is ignorant to the suffering of someone on 9/11. But I suppose I'll edit

Angnoch wrote:

Åpophis ™ wrote:The 9/11 we know who did it, but who ordered them to do it/funded them, is the thing I wonder of...

LoL you belive i'm one of those who believe in ALL conspiracies ?
No I'm not, I just can put on for example the laden plane, the impact on pentagon, the strange leaving of CIA boss after his remindings again&again there was PROVES of WMD in Irak while the pics were like 12 years old and was proved not any was there...
What I believe in 100% is iraq conspiracy, for 9/11 one, I'm skeptical, coz of especially the laden plane

now sorry i got to sleep damint

that alone tells me you know nothing of the American gov. the CIA was hampered during the Clinton administration and during George W. Bush it was completely rendered useless. More than 30% of the section chiefs resigned their posts in protest of the cut-backs they were forced to accept.
The Laden family and Bush family have had ties to each other for years lest you forget that Osama was disinherited by his family so nothing suspicious there.
The hole in the Pentagon was not big enough for a plane to have crashed into it huh? I didnt realize that a MILITARY FALLOUT SHELTER, which is what the Pentagon was originally designed for to survive a nuclear war, could not take a plave hitting one section of it and I would say that this hole is more than big enough for a plane

Well shows what you know about the actual damage to the pentagon. Gee - could it be that the reason they have construction vehicles there is to supervise the demolition of the compromised parts of the pentagon, do to fire? Hmm.

He's talking about the hole, not the entire section.........

Here are some pictures for you, to refresh your memory.
Wow look at all those windows not broken by the wing sections. Hmm..
Oh wait thats so stupid of me, I mean there is so much smoke it has to be hard to see the hole.
Oh pfft.. Silly me I almost forgot, the fuselage made of a carbon fiber composite actually punched a twelve foot hole through over 25 feet of brick and steel reinforced concrete.

yes they refreshed my memory quite well mate a simulation an after clean-up pic and a during the fire pic. Oh and that simulation has the plane coming in level to the ground the terrorist Pilots did not have training in landing planes so that sim is false at best they approached at a degree of an angle which would allow more force on a single spot

That sim lines the plane up perfectly with the reported path of the 'hole'. So no matter how much you think you know about flying or what they were capable of. That is the only way the fuselage could have gone through and through. An thats all I'm giving you because I don't even think it could have made that hole, so you're on your own... mate.

Agnoch. Dude, they went to florida flight school. That might be a bit of a problem on your first lesson when you don't know how to land.

wow Appy read the reports they did not want to learn to land the planes they just wanted to be able to fly them the instructor came right out and said that but he was getting paid so he didnt ask any questions

Angnoch wrote:wow Appy read the reports they did not want to learn to land the planes they just wanted to be able to fly them the instructor came right out and said that but he was getting paid so he didnt ask any questions

bet that sold to the newspapers well too.

cmon guys stop watching American Idol for a minute and define Manifest Destiny these plans have been in place for 50 years or more. Bush Jr is just a puppet.
Not over yet there is an election coming up, think they wont do or ALLOW or fund something else horrific to maintain republican control. PLEASE

OIL OIL OIL

Ask the folks in the gulf coast as they watch the government take there destroyed homes for 1.69 in taxes owed and begin building refineries.