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Re: changes to ascension

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:48 pm
by wmd9999
Sinister wrote:so... a LG+20 will get a 44% boost to there main account? EVERYONE will speed ascend to get the bonus. I dont see how that would help the ascended server. Unless the extra ascentions give no bonuses to main, in which case everything i typed should be ignored :)



i was wondering that myself because if you do get a 44% bonus people will get there and set there account on vacation mode and still get 22% bonuses!! this is ridiculous. vacation in only one server is no longer fair. if on vacation mode in one after 1-2 days the other account goes in vacation people hiding on vacation mode in ascension is wrong. needs to be on both or none at all. people are abusing this feature. if you have time to bank naq on main you should have enough time to log in once a day or so on ascended. this to me needs to be addressed

Re: changes to ascension

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:19 pm
by Biscuit
~Zekk~ wrote:they will be able to after the update is complete.

right now AG is the 10th ascension and last, and forum is adding 10 more...so...yeah.



~Zeke~



Wow!
Sinister wrote:so... a LG+20 will get a 44% boost to there main account? EVERYONE will speed ascend to get the bonus. I dont see how that would help the ascended server. Unless the extra ascentions give no bonuses to main, in which case everything i typed should be ignored :)


I would like to know this as well and what will be the new tags on main for AG+1 to AG+10 unless they just stay AG :?

Re: changes to ascension

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:36 pm
by Gandalf the White
Mojo, Forum's post said APP's are being increased across all ascentions with those past 10 being given much more still. It means you, Sinister and STI can do your 250k UP ascentions and get even further ahead of everyone else than you already are.

As for SW, since there is no 30 limit, I'm sure there are 2 inactive DD/Omega accounts that will hand their login details over to the top accounts and continually hit each other ad infinitum thus keeping the SW locked up never to be seen again. If anyone can't see that that is what will happen they need their head examined. If I happen to have given DD and Omega a brilliant idea I apologise profusely to the server.

22% for vacation is ridiculous - bonuses should go. Come to think of it...won't the chances of ascended blessing reach 40-50%? That should go too if you're on vacation

Re: changes to ascension

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:43 pm
by Sinister
I think logging in under another account is against the rules. again, i could be wrong. And ALL DD members play ascention. ;)

Re: changes to ascension

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:08 am
by ~Krys~
mojo i am tiresome of your futile protests
you protest so much it now has no meaning :)

this update helps you and everyone else
this updates will help stabilize the server

we will be able to descended people esaier
SW is reduced in what it does
also using ur account as the basis of loss is ridiculous

percentage way is the only way to go as you losing 1% planets would still hurt you similar to me losing 1% of mine

Re: changes to ascension

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:14 am
by Maulwurf05
Nothing new to say, but I have to agree with Mojo's post.

@dirtnap: so you wouldn't mind some noob coming along, hitting you with the SW and you have no real way to repay? I don't know your details, but my account isn't all that good and I wouldn't want to get hit by the it...

Also, if you are in vac mode in ascension, then you shouldn't get any bonus in main. Simple as that.

Re: changes to ascension

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:24 am
by TheRook
A solution to the current undescendable situation (millions and millions of life force)

I suggest that all ascended battles work purely on Ascended Life Force Reserves.

Your Ascended life force Reserves vs theres with all the modifiers you get normally now (repulsion etc)

Obviously to make it a bit tougher to descend people DOUBLE all of the life force reserve amounts for example those at 100k life force reserves would be at 200k and so on.

This will remove people having 100mill+ life force and being undescendable... obviously they can stil lsave up the life force for upgrades... but unless they work on their life force reserves they can be descended without too many problems (obvisouly the doubling of the reserves makes it a bit tougher)

also I like the super weapon sale it has helped me grow lots... and that extra growth has spurred me on to pay a lot more attention to the ascended server and for that reason alone it should stay.

Also those that dont log onto the ascended server after ascending (and being untouchable) should get removed from vac automatically after 10 days... then they will either have to go on ascended vac and lose half the main bonus or play the ascended server either way it fixes the problem!

if anybody has other suggestions or has more experience in ascended want to work/improve on my suggestions please go ahead

The only way to improve ascended is to suggest solutions not to complain about things not being good.

Any good coder will use the better solution if someone else gives them a better/more effective way of doing things.


edit: also those extra 10 ascension shouldn't give any more main bonuses(ascended blessing/mercs etc) and should be purely for helping your ascended account.

TheRook

Re: changes to ascension

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:29 am
by TheRook
Dirtnap wrote:percentage way is the only way to go as you losing 1% planets would still hurt you similar to me losing 1% of mine


me losing 1% of my planets would be about 150-200k

I would be pissed if 1% lost me 7.5mill even if its still 1%

Re: changes to ascension

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:34 am
by Mojo Rising
Any good coder will use the better solution if someone else gives them a better/more effective way of doing things.


And therein lies the problem. Better/more effective solutions have been suggested on a NUMBER of occasions, to no avail.

To Dirtnap: It is obvious that none of the updates that Admin has made to the server thus far have negatively impacted your account in anyway. EVERY update he has made to ascension has negatively impacted my account in some way, most of them in ALL ways.

To Gandalf: Could you please direct me to the inactive DD accounts that you speak of? Having an active and thriving ascension account is one of the requirements for membership in our alliance. And, as has been mentioned before, logging into someone else's account is against the rules.

Re: changes to ascension

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:55 am
by S T I
just my 2553672635 cents worth (in Blahh's words)

The SW will now be open to abuse, multis can now be used to hit the top accounts & i don't mean just the 1st page.

but multi's don't even need to be used, all people have to do is get all these people who have never played ascensiom, who just took the bonuses for main & never helped to make the server more enjoyable for the others who do play.

all that needs to be done is this, account 1 (person who is playing) saves up DMU, account 2, 3 , 4, 5 ,6 & on & on who dosn't play ascension hits account 1 for DMU, bids on SW, gets SW, use's it on top accounts.

this can be repeated time & time again.

I agree that the SW should be removed & brought back (if ever) when something else can be sorted.

as for the other forth coming up dates, i will wait & see, like a few have said they can be misunderstood, so lets wait until we have the full meaning. :D

Re: changes to ascension

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:01 am
by High Empty
Well mojo you may hate me for this or kiss me.

Changes to the superweapon,
1% of total army size gone!
All lifeforce GONE!
24hours protection granted
No other stats touched.

Lifeforce,
the Lifeforce it's self should be adjusted and make much more potent. I would suggest anywhere between 10 and 25 times.

ALL Power Levels to be CAPPED!
meaning that take the current MAX level add 10 to this, and CAP it.
The Cap will be simple, one more zero will be added to the number.
Meaning if it did cost 400mil lifeforce, it now costs 4 tril lifeforce.
Remove the conversion rates, or make it so that for ever 100mil over they go up by 1, starting at 1000Mil uu. So that it's 11 to 1, @ 1100mil.

With the increase numbers of turns required to raid a person, I think something should be done in that regard. Either increasing the turn cap to 4000. Or speeding up turn regeneration all accross the board.

If you have any questions, feal free to drop me them at mailto:i618i@unb.ca (msn and e-mail)

High Empty
Addict

Re: changes to ascension

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:20 am
by Gandalf the White
Ok Mojo and STI so maybe your alliance doesn't have any inactives, i didn't know that, i just assumed that most alliances will have a couple who leave every few months for various reasons....but we all know yours isn't like most alliances.

STI is right, SW has to go until a better use can be found with it. I would hate the fact that anyone, not just noobs, can use it and tear your account apart arbitrarily. That just not fair and will cause an incredible amout of anger amongst everyone. I like High Empty's idea for it to remove LF and nothing else. Using it in an honorable fashion to help descend the bludgers seems like a great idea. The problem is getting everyone to agree in principle to do that.

I've had my rant for today before and will wait till we see how the updates go before ranting some more. But kudos for increasing the APP rates. Nice one there and long overdue

Re: changes to ascension

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:32 am
by Hensenshi
Dirtnap wrote:mojo i am tiresome of your futile protests
you protest so much it now has no meaning :)

this update helps you and everyone else
this updates will help stabilize the server

we will be able to descended people esaier
SW is reduced in what it does
also using ur account as the basis of loss is ridiculous

percentage way is the only way to go as you losing 1% planets would still hurt you similar to me losing 1% of mine

I'm sorry but you have no room to speak. You don't have a giant target painted on you because you're forced to be ranked by your influence. You also don't have nearly as much to lose as those of us at the top do.

Re: changes to ascension

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:33 am
by Raven
maybe we should all wait how these updates will affect the play in general and then give opinions on them ...... i hope they will add something but im afraid its gonna mess up the server forever .... :(


And Hen you really dont get it......losing 500k for some people will be as hard as you loosing 50mill planets ....... your not godlike neither is mojo.....the server is actually being good for you cause it prevents catching up......and still you whine....zzzz

Re: changes to ascension

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:43 am
by ~Krys~
i like the idea of more ascending opportunities
means people like mojo(aka target boy) cant whine as peoapl will sacrifice there accounts and it can improve their ascended account

not full proof but better then the current system inplace

now mojo updates happen in their entirety or they done happen at all, which would you choose?