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~Phoenix~ wrote:
So according to my math, how about this:

1month ago - 5% more
2month ago - 12% more
3month ago - 21% more
4month ago - 33% more
5month ago - 48% more = 1.5x
6month ago - 65% more
7month ago - 84% more
8month ago - 105% more - 2x
9month ago - 128% more
10month ago - 153% more
11month ago - 180% more
12month ago - 209% more - 3x
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18month ago - 425% more - 5x
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24month ago - 713% more - 8x

So ascending 8months ago would give you roughly 2times more, 12months ago would give you roughly 3times your APP up to the limit of 5mil APP, 18months would give you 5x teh APP and 2years ago would give you 8x the APP. If they did crap ascensions that long ago, they still aint guna get a lot for it. This is mainly intended for those guys who did try big ascensions in the past but didnt get all the APP from it. It also kinda accounts for actual playing of the game by offputting the variables on it a slight bit.

See what you think admin, math can be easily chanegd though.

I think this is a very good idea. Those that worked hard a while ago will get some benefits, but those that ascended just for bonuses wont get 1 mil free APP after ascending last with 20k ..... this method is logical and fair.

This idea makes sence! Woo!

im in favor of 1 mil, assuming of course i get the 400-450k~ app extra, as my bonus from last ascensionw as like 550 or 500k app, so as long as i get the difference of course, also bear in mind i just ascended again, so i hope that wouldnt mess with anything...

im understanding this right right? ur saying the free app everyone got, will be changed to 1mil?

Virisken Soshir wrote:
im understanding this right right? ur saying the free app everyone got, will be changed to 1mil?

My understanding: 1mil mininum, so those who got 2mil wont get anything, those that got 500k (like you) should get 500k extra

i like the time scaled APP gain idea very much. but it is probably too complex to implement .... 1 mill APP min. will do at least some balancing

lol but those resources you sent up were built up on your account over the past few years!

chargin wrote:lol but those resources you sent you, built up on your account over the past few years!

If you had been paying attention, youd know to a certain extent thats all complete crap as the amount of lifeforce people ahev gotten for free is likely HIGHER then what we've made over the past few years! Seriously, unlesss you know the figures dont go saying things like that. Would a big ascension 2years ago get you alot of APP with this? Probably not. Since a big one then was about 20 - 30k APP I belive. So taht times 9 is like 270k odd APP, still an improvement, can it make up for 2years of bad play? nope. But then again, who the hell ascended for the last time 2 years ago... they dont really deserve to do very well lol...


But yes if you dont belive in fair play and just want admin to give you stuff for free, carry on..

what i said doesn't even makes sense. Comma is in wrong place

What i was trying to say is those resources instead of building up on your main account, were building up on your ascended account. sure it was a big ascension before but you also got a big reward in ascension, the resources were simply on a different server. the people who have been sending up more resources recently got a worse deal than the ones that sent them up a long time ago because the APP rate was so off.

The people who ascended early are the most powerful players in ascension (look at the IDs of the top players) and you want to give them more APP for joining the game sooner?

I already got my 2mil APP from my last 2 ascensions up there, sending another 1 mil up won't help me, it'll help the older players. But i don't think the older players deserve more APP then me for their earlier ascensions because they have planets!

Give everyone 20 million APP and be done with it. You want everyone to catch up to the top people: that will do it. You want them to do it with minimum damage to their main accounts: that will do it. You want to take away skill and patience and hard work: that will do it. Let's have everyone at the same stats as everyone else. And then take everyone up to 2 billion planets. Let's just cut out the six months that it is going to take for people to get there anyway. You've already negated most of the hard work that the people who actually PLAYED ascension had; you might as well go all the way. I mean, that is what you want because that is what you have done. And I am not claiming to know your brain, Jason. I am just basing my conclusions on the evidence at hand.

As far as an update allowing resources to be traded back to main, if it takes as long as it took descension to hit the server (BTW, what is the point of descension anymore?), then it will be far too late as the server will have collapsed under the sheer weight of the planets being generated.

And what do you mean, you aren't going to change the rules? You already have and quite dramatically, what with DAIMONS and massively altering the structure and play in ascended. Why are you so hesitant to botch the server even further? It's what you seem to live for. I chose to play when others did not, therefore I should be punished for my forward thinking.

To be totally fair to EVERYONE, I say you offer a one-time deal to transfer your ascension resources to your main account. Give us the choice to at least have a powerful account in one server rather than two castrated accounts.

With my idea of an exponential increase in the APP an account which last ascended 24 months ago would get a multiplier of 11.56 (1+2.4)*(1+2.4) to their last ascension so an ascension of 100k would be worth 1.15 Million.
If it is thought that this is too low then 39.04 times would give 3.9 Million.

Would that be a more acceptable solution. At the end of the day it would still take years for me at a rate close to 2 million planets to get anywhere near the top ranks.

Mojo Rising wrote:To be totally fair to EVERYONE, I say you offer a one-time deal to transfer your ascension resources to your main account. Give us the choice to at least have a powerful account in one server rather than two castrated accounts.

just hypothetically speaking what would you say is a fair conversion?

10million planets = 100k UU?
100mill planets = 100k UU?

or if you do it on DMU value


100bill DMU = 10bill naq?
1trill DMU = 10 bill naq?

but when you consider your ability to make 10 million planets a day
or your ability to make at least 20 trill DMU a day...

compare that to others 1mill/day
or 1 trill dmu/day

whats a fair "repayment"

or how about you get back your main resources you put up to your ascended account?

which in your case may not be too much by current main standards?

I would get about 15mill+ UU and who knows what naq
you would (just guessing dont know how much) possibly get around 5-10mill uu?

TheRook

to be honest I think 1 mill minimum APP is fair... its not A LOT... but if I knew we were getting APP back based on the amount of our last ascension I would have crippled my main account making sure I got 4mill APP to get another 4 mill APP for free... I was thinking I'd get 1 mill APP which would get me up and running until I was ready to ascend around christmas time...

edit : btw my ascension account has gone up from an income of 53mill/turn to 294mill/turn(thats with all my 1.5mill planets trained as income they will come out into other stats before the end of the big ppt) and my CER from 10k to 100k/day (bought more fleets too)

I'm going to get over taken by people who ascended recently with their first big ascension where as my LAST ascension was quite poor as it was a quick ascension to get the 5% extra


due to spending heavily in Charisma & Production... to be honest the extra 900k APP would benefit me even more... and I still wont be any closer to toppling the 700mill+ planet behemoths that are out their currently... but I might just stand a chance against those who ascended recently with a nice APP and got the equivilant of the same nice ascension for free... and thats what I'm after...

for spending 12 months on this server and just suffering a small APP bonus with the new changes due to me foolishly doing 1 small ascension... (LG+1) I get painted with the brush of having that 1 small ascension...

If you got the app bonus from ALL your ascension I would be very happy... as would others who have ascended to LG+1 or higher...

but to have an prior thrash me is insult to injury...

I personally have done O.K. at present from this. However in the longer term it may well be a disaster for my ascended account. Reason I got 2 million APP this time based on a large ascension some 4 months ago. I have been playing ascension for some time hence my ID 484. Until descension and the link to main I was gradually gaining rank based only on gameplay as further ascensions made a relatively small contribution to the higher ranks. I have a tiny Main account because it has been used to feed whatever I can into ascended.

In the longer term I will now be easily overtaken by large ascensions from the major main players and I will loose ground as a result.

At the moment I am on an up but I think in longer term it will affect me badly. I have to consider what I am going to do. It will change gameplay and liven the server up a bit which is what most were calling for. Now it has happened and there are understandable grumbles from the top of it wasn't like that in my day. I am sure that the Top accounts could all put in a massive ascension which will keep them well ahead but I would be calling for the Cap on UUs to be removed and other things to allow that to happen more readily.

I have great sympathy for Phoenix, Mojo and all the top accounts. I have made suggestions as to how the situation can be improved by exponential multipliers based on time since last ascension. I feel that Blanket amounts not based on the amount of time in server or the amount of resources used to ascend is wrong. It needs to reflect the relative size of your ascensions and the time on the server.

Funky White Boy wrote:I am sure that the Top accounts could all put in a massive ascension which will keep them well ahead

not wanting to sound harsh to those guys at the top who dislike the bonus given let me give you a few numbers to try to put into perspective the unlikliness of a big guy ascending again...

I'm not 100% sure on the figure for converting DMU to LF above the armysize soft caps...

but say the large accounts generate 400bill/turn (which is about right if not higher)

134,400,000,000,000 DMU a week

converted to LF at 15millDMU(guess)/1kLF - 8,960,000,000 LF that week

divide that by 1204 (APP conversion rate)

7,441,860 APP required to get that LF... thats in 1 week... you can only ascend once every 2 weeks so you need double that to match purely there DMU converted to LF

at a 50k base UP you get 750k (approx) APP soley from UP

now the liklihood of them ascending they would need to obliterate their main account to match purely their ascended accounts DMU production

not to mention the planet production 5mill +/day (easily)

I hope that points out how little them ascending would benefit their ascended account... let alone having to sacrifice their main account for it...

So if I wanted to beat their two week production I would easily need a base UP of 400k
costing my main account

You need a minimum base unit production of 3,999.
You need 399,999,999,999naquaduah, 24,999,999untrained and 15,999,999trained units.
You would get a 31% bonus to all stats.

oh and to get that 400k base up from 50k base up you need

116,667 UP upgrades
At a cost of: 131,250,291,666,667 Naquadah

really likely and the chances of catching up now I've put down the numbers seems really REALLY easy

So doing that once every 2 weeks... I'll be able to keep up with them... but not overtake them...
oh but being able to do that in main is impossible...

just to get the naq for UP to 400k in two weeks will need 198,289,124,503/turn in main... and for those 25 mill UU I would need a UP of 1.8mill...

So lets stop saying those big guys are hard done by... yes they worked hard and they are reaping the benefits... and will continue to do so... for someone to catch up is going to be very very hard...

hope those numbers make people realise the difficulty of catching/overtaking the top ascended accounts

TheRook
Writer of Numbers

And once the top accounts reach 2 billion planets, their CER drops to 57.34% (or some funky number like that). And the more that they go over the 2 billion planet mark, the more that percentage decreases, till at some point, CER stops. Eventually, everyone will be at the same amount of planets. Won't the server be fun, then? Thank you Jason!

Mojo Rising wrote:And once the top accounts reach 2 billion planets, their CER drops to 57.34% (or some funky number like that). And the more that they go over the 2 billion planet mark, the more that percentage decreases, till at some point, CER stops. Eventually, everyone will be at the same amount of planets. Won't the server be fun, then? Thank you Jason!

but wont every hit that point? but you will have the advantage of just over 6 months before anyone else reaches that 2bill mark

say everyone has 100mill armysize and has 10mill planets/day to get to 2 billion it will take them 190 days

but most will be around 10-50mill and wont have the UP that high so your looking at 8-12 months to reach 2 bill planets

TheRook