DAIMONS - Let's Tweak Them!

[Mojo Rising]

Daimon = copout. Ascension has its risks. You took them when you ascended. Now you have to live with that decision. Sorry that you only ascended for the bonuses in main. I had to live with the consequences of NOT doing that for a very long time and at great cost to my main account. Now you folks should have to do the same. Daimons should not be allowed in the game. If so, then they will rule main and there will be no point in being an ascended race anymore. If you want to allow DAIMONs in the game, then allow them half bonuses of what their ascended account gives them, but give them the option to allocate those bonuses as they see fit (up to 30%). So, say an LG+1, who has a 30% in attack, defense, covert, and income decides to pack it in and become a daimon. He now has 60% to distribute amongst his stats. So he can choose to do any combination of percentages (which remain fixed) that he wants to do with each of the stats. No ascended blessing.

Here is the double edged sword:

Pros: you are no longer vulnerable to ascended attack and your levels are safe. You still get to keep some of your bonuses.

Cons: you are no longer as powerful in all areas as an equal member who still has a connection with the ascended realm. No ascended blessing.

Note that I am conceding the fact that DAIMONS are going to be added to the game. When Jason gets a burr up his ass about these things, there is no putting him off it (see the SW threads for the blue in the face talking that I did to him on that one).

[Lord_Zeus]

Daimon = copout. Ascension has its risks. You took them when you ascended. Now you have to live with that decision. Sorry that you only ascended for the bonuses in main. I had to live with the consequences of NOT doing that for a very long time and at great cost to my main account. Now you folks should have to do the same. Daimons should not be allowed in the game. If so, then they will rule main and there will be no point in being an ascended race anymore. If you want to allow DAIMONs in the game, then allow them half bonuses of what their ascended account gives them, but give them the option to allocate those bonuses as they see fit (up to 30%). So, say an LG+1, who has a 30% in attack, defense, covert, and income decides to pack it in and become a daimon. He now has 60% to distribute amongst his stats. So he can choose to do any combination of percentages (which remain fixed) that he wants to do with each of the stats. No ascended blessing.

Here is the double edged sword:

Pros: you are no longer vulnerable to ascended attack and your levels are safe. You still get to keep some of your bonuses.

Cons: you are no longer as powerful in all areas as an equal member who still has a connection with the ascended realm. No ascended blessing.

Note that I am conceding the fact that DAIMONS are going to be added to the game. When Jason gets a burr up his ass about these things, there is no putting him off it (see the SW threads for the blue in the face talking that I did to him on that one).

You obviously don't know the effect of double casualties... Although you are not in too many wars so this can be excused. The stat choosing option is interesting though , Deserves more thought.

Mojo you've been told hundreds of times (probably literally) by now, it doesn't matter whether you tried in ascended or not, if you werent in dd/omega/nap'd alliance you got wasted in ascended, raided down to nothing, till you built up something worthwhile again.

[Mojo Rising]

Daimon = copout. Ascension has its risks. You took them when you ascended. Now you have to live with that decision. Sorry that you only ascended for the bonuses in main. I had to live with the consequences of NOT doing that for a very long time and at great cost to my main account. Now you folks should have to do the same. Daimons should not be allowed in the game. If so, then they will rule main and there will be no point in being an ascended race anymore. If you want to allow DAIMONs in the game, then allow them half bonuses of what their ascended account gives them, but give them the option to allocate those bonuses as they see fit (up to 30%). So, say an LG+1, who has a 30% in attack, defense, covert, and income decides to pack it in and become a daimon. He now has 60% to distribute amongst his stats. So he can choose to do any combination of percentages (which remain fixed) that he wants to do with each of the stats. No ascended blessing.

Here is the double edged sword:

Pros: you are no longer vulnerable to ascended attack and your levels are safe. You still get to keep some of your bonuses.

Cons: you are no longer as powerful in all areas as an equal member who still has a connection with the ascended realm. No ascended blessing.

Note that I am conceding the fact that DAIMONS are going to be added to the game. When Jason gets a burr up his ass about these things, there is no putting him off it (see the SW threads for the blue in the face talking that I did to him on that one).

You obviously don't know the effect of double casualties... Although you are not in too many wars so this can be excused. The stat choosing option is interesting though , Deserves more thought.

Mojo you've been told hundreds of times (probably literally) by now, it doesn't matter whether you tried in ascended or not, if you werent in dd/omega/nap'd alliance you got wasted in ascended, raided down to nothing, till you built up something worthwhile again.

And Zeus you have been told a million times that ascension was a choice. You chose to ascend. No one held a gun to your head. Yes, I played ascension well and yes I raided a few people in my day. But I also did strong ascensions and bided my time. I didn't just ascend for the bonuses. Therein lies the difference. Did being in DD help? No doubt. I concede the point that my alliance helped me a great deal as I helped them. But please keep in mind that OUR might in ascension was established BEFORE any NAPs/treaties/etc. Also keep in mind that, most of the people that I raided, if they asked me to stop, I did. Now I am sure that I am in the minority in that respect, but most of the planets that I have today (and a lot that I don't have because of the flawed 700 million planet update) I acquired through the use of my CER.

[12agnar0k]

A few ideas. All fair and Just

50% Stats Bonus, perhaps self allocated as Mojo suggested to allow Daimons said strategy. No Blessing.

Full Stats Bonus, Full Unblessing, %bonus in stats (i.e LG+1 = 30%) chance of reducing defense/attack by half in a battle.

75% Stats Bonus, perhaps self allocated as Mojo suggested, Mild Unblessing,
(%bonus in stats) x 50% , chance of reducing defence/attack by half in a battle.

Full Stats Bonus in a battle vs Mortals, No bonus in a battle vs Ascendeds.
No blessing. (not liking this one as much, not quite so balanced. - perhaps a Unblessing is occured when battling a Mortal.)

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If you get a few final options such as above one thing you might want to consider, The Daimon, gets to choose the double edged sword they have to endure for the rest of time, some kind of sick decision there fellow Gods make them choose before allowing them to banish themselves to the mortal plane.

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Something to definetely put in, inplace of the G+R Counter on the Main Page, a note : "A traitor is worthy of neither Glory or Reputation"

In addittion, if the account is ever changed back into a mortal race, perhaps a G+R penatly can be occured for the betrayal, say 50% loss of gain. That'll teach those traitors .

Also might be an idea to put a checkbox on the deascenstion option, aswell as un-deascending anyone silly enough to click it by accident since it was released. (No free 10 day PPT for the silly clickers tho )

[S1eepy]

Just an idea for the ascended curse.

Daimons are ex-ascended beings, who have angered the other ascended beings by descending. Therefore they should try not to anger the other ascended beings more, lest they take action against them.

So I say when attacking an ascended player in main, one of two things could happen.
1) The ascended player gets a boost to their ascended blessing, say a .25 chance of it working.
2) a percentage chance - say 20% that the defending ascended god recognises you and wreaks havoc in ure army, causing you to take 2x the losses.

This effect should only happen when a daimon ATTACKS an ascended being, so that ascended beings cant go around pounding on daimons.

So, what does everyone think?

[Chris M]

Mojo you've been told hundreds of times (probably literally) by now, it doesn't matter whether you tried in ascended or not, if you werent in dd/omega/nap'd alliance you got wasted in ascended, raided down to nothing, till you built up something worthwhile again.

Ok. Im fed up of that COP arguement.
My alliance, The Order was never NAP'd with Omega, DD or DDE. We got raided but we got over it. and we always had myself, frazz and memento in the top 30-40 ranks in influence, with loads of resource that could then be raided straight out...
If you put enough into it you were ok and only the big guys could hit you. and the big guys didnt that often.
I got raided twice by ETL, once by Dead_Horse, twice by Mojo Rising (although one was retaliation on something) and once by another Omega member.

Me, Memento, Frazz proved it was possible. and if you want EVEN MORE PROOF look at Daff

Memento
[{DD} The Order] TerraEphesus 24 ????? Planets Tolah ????? Dark Matter Units
Daff
[Team Bono] Home 25 ????? Planets Tolah ????? Dark Matter Units
Chris M
[{DD} The Order] The King of Kings 26 xxx,xxx,xxx(xx,xxx,xxx) Planets Ajna xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx Dark Matter Units
crazymofo
[Reborns GF] Pi alliance 27 ????? Planets Indu ????? Dark Matter Units
frazz
[[{DD} The Order] The New Dawn {The Order} 28 ????? Planets Ajna ????? Dark Matter Units

It was months after the CoP/CiA war that TO got a NAP with Omega/DDE/TL through bonding with DD.

Oh and TL are further examples that you can overcome "oppression" on ascended.



And i also confirm what Mojo Rising said about people who asked him to stop raiding them. He stopped for me, and when he raided another friend he stopped when asked. Many people wouldnt have.

[Mato]

I always thought Daff bought this account, but I could be wrong.

[Mordack]

I always thought Daff bought this account, but I could be wrong.

The fact he bought the account wouldn't have stopped him being raided afterwards, though. It didn't come with a year's free warranty. The fact remains that he managed to maintain it for many months afterwards, and keep it in one, unraided piece.

Same applies to my account, I suppose. Although mine was more a case of having a stupidly high defense and friends in the right places than any skill as a player.

[eragorn]

we need to just make tyhe daimon simple so we can get all the losers out of ascended who just sit there being descended again and again cause they don't ever play. who cares if they get to keep some of the bonuses they earned, why should only the people who play in ascended get the bonus. Although to make it fair if daimons only lose the blessing and don;t get 1/2 bonuses for everything else then neither should descended accounts for people who play they should be the same, i.e. no blessing and 1/2 bonus each or no blessing and regular bonuse, i donl;t see why they need any type of doulbe edge sword because daimons do not gain anything by descending permenantly.

[12agnar0k]

i donl;t see why they need any type of doulbe edge sword because daimons do not gain anything by descending permenantly.

The gain the ability to not get de-ascended, the one disadvantage of ascending for extra power in main.
So to loose this disadvantage they must aquire another,

[MackTheKnife]

They also lose the ability to keep ascending and adding extra power to their main account.

[12agnar0k]

They also lose the ability to keep ascending and adding extra power to their main account.

You can only ascend 20 times (not fully decided yet) if they were to ascend 20 times then de-ascend they wouldnt have that problem.

In addition, After the sixth (LG+1) ascension the benefit of ascending gets less and less beneficial with each ascension, so much so infact it is probably best to just keep the extra Main resources. After the 10th that becomes even more so.

[TheRook]

They also lose the ability to keep ascending and adding extra power to their main account.

You can only ascend 20 times (not fully decided yet) if they were to ascend 20 times then de-ascend they wouldnt have that problem.

In addition, After the sixth (LG+1) ascension the benefit of ascending gets less and less beneficial with each ascension, so much so infact it is probably best to just keep the extra Main resources. After the 10th that becomes even more so.

I may be incorrect but I recall people saying to ascend for the 11th time AG+1 requires a base UP of 60k? and then higher for each one after...

I hope thats right... so for those who want to get huge bonus in main have to sacrifice in ascension so they lose more if they become a daimon

[12agnar0k]

A Daimon can keep the extra resources and de-ascend , deciding not to ascend again.

Or they can spend the extra resources to gain extra stats via ascending before eventually De-ascending.

Whatever they choose to do is up to them, so if they loose out, its there own fault for making the wrong choice...

[Lore]

If someone ascends 3 times, then becomes a Daimon, can he ascend again? I ask this in foresight of accounts being sold/traded.

If they can reascend when do there bonuses kick in? does he have to ascend 4 times to get bonuses? since he was 3 times ascended before?